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|Eternal Masters (EMA)||Uncommon|
|Modern Event Deck (MD1)||Uncommon|
|Modern Masters (MMA)||Uncommon|
|Shards of Alara (ALA)||Common|
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Relic of Progenitus
: Target player removes a card in his or her graveyard from the game.
, Remove Relic of Progenitus from the game: Remove all graveyards from the game. Draw a card.
Relic of Progenitus Discussion
6 days ago
Hey! So I have a few suggestions. Feel free to ignore any/all of them:
Cantrips are your friend in combo decks. Preordain and Ponder are the gold-standard here, since they dig pretty deep for one mana. You're including Brainstorm is good, but I'm not sure it's good enough without non-mana intensive shuffle effects (i.e. some form of fetch lands) to make sure you don't accidentally lock yourself with two cards you don't want on top. While cards like Prismatic Vista and Scalding Tarn can be expensive, depending on your meta something like Terramorphic Expanse or Evolving Wilds might be good enough. Flood Plain and Bad River are also worth considering. Other cantrips ( Opt , Sleight of Hand , Serum Visions ...) are ok but should be considered secondary to Preordain and friends.
Grafdigger's Cage is currently one of the best hosers in EDH, and it does not stop Urza's ability (since Urza's ability exiles the card before casting it, you never cast spells directly from your library). I think it's better than Darksteel Relic , since it still taps for mana and can be a turn one play while having a direct effect on the board state. Tormod's Crypt is a similar card you may want to consider. I think Relic of Progenitus is better than Phyrexian Furnace , especially since you're not running Snapcaster Mage .
Everflowing Chalice seems like a good rock. I've never been a fan of Mox Tantalite , since taking several turns to hit the board is a major drawback. Everflowing Chalice is a slightly worse Mind Stone , but you can cast it for zero when Urza is on the field and have a build-your-own Mox Sapphire .
Retract and/or Hurkyl's Recall can act as pseudo- Paradoxical Outcome s for the purposes of rebuilding mana or building storm-count for Temporal Fissure . They're admittedly not as good, but since you're already running Paradoxical Outcome you may want a redundant card for that effect.
You may want to revisit your counter-suite. Consider substituting more efficient cards for Dissolve and/or Exclude , since three mana is a lot to pay for a counterspell. Things like Spell Snare , Dispel , Spell Pierce , Swan Song , Pact of Negation and/or Delay are all good ways to protect your combo without using too much mana.
I think Mystic Remora is probably better than Rhystic Study . First, it comes down faster (T1 or T2), which means it catches your opponents' rocks when they're casting them in the first few turns. Second, four mana is a lot less payable than one, so you're more likely to draw even in experienced metas. Finally, your strategy is typically going to be a combo strategy -- so you don't need a PERMANENT shield, just one that will last long enough to protect you until you go off with Urza.
Cyclonic Rift is the best board wipe in blue. It's $20 nowadays, but if you can afford one you should definitely run it.
Dig Through Time is an excellent card, as is Treasure Cruise (though I don't like cruise as much as dig in combo decks like this, since it sees fewer cards). Running one of them seems like a good idea.
Chain of Vapor is REALLY good. If you can cast it and bounce an opposing stax piece ( Cursed Totem , Collector Ouphe , Damping Sphere ), it rarely gets reflected. And even if it is, you're likely to just be able to recast whatever they bounce on your board. More importantly, you can use it to bounce a bunch of your low-cost artifacts to both net mana and build storm. So... yea.
2 weeks ago
I'm not saying you must put all of them in. When designing a sideboard, it's a good idea to think of how to deal with different matchups. for instance Plummet deals with flying decks, The Elderspell deals with super friends, and Relic of Progenitus would deal with reanimator decks.
2 weeks ago
maybe for the sideboard you could put in:
2 weeks ago
ZendikariWol Arcum's Astrolabe also counts as a snow permanent towards the Skred count, and casting it will net me an extra card too. The deck isn't anywhere near tier 1, but for casual FNM's it can still perform well.
I haven't made my sideboard yet, but it does include 4x Relic of Progenitus , another staple of the deck, to shut down graveyard strategies and hopefully slow down Tarmogoyf and Gurmag Angler if they show up.
2 weeks ago
Hey uJar_Gamer, now that I have looked at Tormod's Crypt , Grafdigger's Cage , and Relic of Progenitus side by side I think it's an obvious decision to put Grafdigger in place of Tormod's Crypt... not too sure why I chose Tormod's in the first place honestly. Thank you for the heads up! :)
3 weeks ago
facing a creature deck that builds up a massive board will result in them winning if I dont draw a fog/wipe or they disrupted me at the right moment.... even if I have Isochron Scepter and Fog on it Abrupt Decay will ruin my day.... its just the nature of turbofog and why it will never be a top tier deck...let alone how bolt-bait/fragile kiora herself is as a Wincon but alas I am trying to make it the best I can while stilll staying true to my intent... BREWING WITH KIORA!
3 weeks ago
I think those cards should be more than enough. I may be wrong but I think blue has all the colors to deal with noncreature decks / combo. The only other things I would suggest are Sorcerous Spyglass for planeswalkers and Relic of Progenitus for graveyard decks.
I can't see your decklist, but I would be very scared of facing a creature deck that builds up a massive board and maybe has a few disruptive cards winning because I didn't draw a fog or they disrupted me at the right moment. So, maybe something like AEtherize or Kiora-like effects like Jace, Telepath Unbound 's + ability
3 weeks ago
Hey, no clue if u still think about this deck, but i think that Tormod's Crypt might be a better alternative than Relic of Progenitus . 0 mana instead of 2 might make the difference. Of course u can not exile all graveyards at the same time, but it might be enough to exile your own to win.
Relic of Progenitus occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.14%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%