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Thornwood Falls enters the battlefield tapped.
When Thornwood Falls enters the battlefield, you gain 1 life.
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Thornwood Falls Discussion
1 month ago
One of the things I noticed right away was the use of NON-Basic Lands, that kinda sorta have a negative effect in that when they enter the BF, they do so tapped unless you give up -2 Life...I don't really understand the idea behind this strategy, although I've seen it employed many, many times in Modern play. It makes some sense if your playing a "Death Shadow" hand, but why not use cards like, Thornwood Falls, Dismal Backwater, or Jungle Hollow which at least give you +1 Life to make up for coming in tapped. Also take a look at Leechridden Swamp it offers the opportunity to inflect -1 Life on your opponent.
I know this is off the topic and I apologize for it, but I was looking at the synergy between Felhide Petrifier and Rageblood Shaman awhile back and was thinking about creating a R/B Minotaur army for Modern...might be a hoot. It could be pretty killy.
1 month ago
Nice build there. My suggestions: Take out the Hydroforms and replace them with Simic Charms. Yes, Hydroform does make flying, but Simic Charm is much more adaptable, especially for an aggro/control build - bounce their big creatures to not only stop them winning but also to pave the way for your aggro, make your creatures bigger and stop the burn. I would also reccommend taking out Frilled Oculus, because if you want aggro there are creatures you can pump more than once a turn.Berserk is a good card if you can deal lethal damage with it. If you want aggro, I would recommend taking out some of the evolve creatures - they are for the long game as you play them but they don't get big until much later on, unless you are playing larger creatures every turn or have a big token combo on. Also on the aggro, if you want to go full on, take out all the evolve and control aspects and put in things like mutagenic growth and prdator's strike. Just look at the infect decks (like mine below) for some nice pump spells. Since you don't care about legality (although it works much better for infect), Invigorate is good for that little extra damage. On top of the pump spells, run Wild Defiance to really get the damage racking up. If you are looking for more control, run some walls (e.g. Fog Bank and Glacial Wall) to trigger evolve. For card advantage or pseudo-hexproof run Monastery Siege and Pore Over the Pages. For counterspells, run Counterspell, Rewind, Arcane Denial and Remand. If you have a higher budget, run Voidslime and Mana Drain instead of Rewind and Arcane Denial also, Venser, Shaper Savant. If you want elementals, any out of Nissa, Sage Animist Flip, Nissa, Steward of Elements, Nissa, Worldwaker or Nissa, Genesis Mage is a really good option. Also on lands, if you have enough mana, run Liege of the Tangle and some unblockable spells (also see my infect decks below). Also, run more lands - 12 lands is NOT ENOUGH! I recommend a playset of Simic Signets and at least one Gilded Lotus, and possible Simic Keyrune and Thornwood Falls instead of or as well as Simic Guildgate. Run a minimum of 20 lands unless your deck is at least 1/3 mana rocks. This is a nice idea, so I hope I have improved it for you.
3 months ago
3 months ago
3 months ago
So I modified your list a bit, but I don't know if you want to see it. I'll offer some suggestions and leave a list at the bottom if you're interested in what it could look like.
I'd cut Hooting Mandrills. You're deck seems more interested in getting Threshold online. This card is contrary to that strategy and I think you found your beatdown body in Arrogant Wurm, which is just strictly better with trample.
After testing Rites of Refusal, I think it is just too cute and clunky. I found that this iteration of the deck doesn't run enough pure card advantage to justify "2-for-1"ing yourself. 8 counterspells may be enough anyway, but if you feel like you could use more, running Counterspell or Daze aren't bad options. They come with a little risk, not being mono U, but could be worth it.
I think you can cut Werebear. Breaks my heart to suggest it, but it might be risky to over-saturate your deck with threshold creatures. He's more vulnerable than Nimble Mongoose in the early game and I've already mentioned that the Arrogant Wurm seems like your 4/4 of choice. You aren't an aggro deck so, rather than just throwing a ton of 4/4's in the opponent's face, the tempo deck's concern is laying down select threats in the early to mid game and protecting/disrupting your way to victory.
I've found that with Careful Study and other looting effects, I'd rather have card advantage that gave me more to discard to cards like Waterfront Bouncer and Wild Mongrel. Accumulated Knowledge or Deep Analysis are good cards for stocking your hand to give strength to your discard engines.
Merfolk Looter and Obsessive Search feel super good in conjunction. The looter offers another instant speed dicard outlet that isn't as mana hungry as Waterfront Bouncer and, when combined with madness, it reads "tap: draw a card." Obsessive Search offers increased value to your discard engines and helps you to dig for relevant cards.
Consider Just the Wind. It's effectively a Vapor Snag in your deck which is a tempo staple in pauper. It can clear the way for attacks or save one of your own creatures while fizzling a removal spell.
AEther Tradewinds is another card I was looking at. This can bounce back pesky non-creature that dodged one of your counterspells the first time. Once again, fizzles removal while tempoing your opponent. Also, never hurts to have Basking Rootwalla back in hand.
Lastly, I toyed around with a mana base that is slightly slower but much more consistent. Ash Barrens and Thornwood Falls offer you fixing. Simic Growth Chamber does this as well and allows you the ability to cut back on lands (as one Growth chamber is effectively two lands on one card). Being able to bounce back a basic you no longer need to discard to one of your engines, all while hitting your land drop, is also not half bad.
Deck List: UG Madness Sample Deck
PS. Let me know if you have any sideboard questions.
3 months ago
Personally, I would drop the Thornwood Falls and the Tranquil Thicket, because they are way to slow for an infect deck. It never hurts to just try using all basic lands since they will give you a lot better chance at having a consistent turn 1 and a good setup for a turn 3 or 4 kill
4 months ago
Hello! So I see you mentioned in your description that this is your first commander deck. It has a pretty solid base, so I will just give you some rules that I tend to follow when I build. At a baseline, I tend to run 10 sources of draw, 8-10 sources of ramp, and 5-10 pieces of spot removal.
Tatyova, as I understand it, is going to be the leader of a merfolk tribal deck. Merfolk tend to have a low converted mana cost, so Tatyova allows you to draw into more cards to continuously cast more and more merfolk. That being said, if you are running Tatyova, I would up your land count somewhat, up to at least 38 or 40. I would recommend a plethora of nonbasics like Botanical Sanctum Hinterland Harbor Breeding Pool Simic Growth Chamber Simic Guildgate Skyshroud Forest Temple of Mystery Thornwood Falls Tropical Island Woodland Stream Yavimaya Coast including as your budget allows. I included tropical island, an insanely expensive card, for the sake of brevity.
In terms of removal, I tend to include some counter spells in this category. You should pick up Counterspell Arcane Denial and Swan Song. Negate is very good also. For spot removal, you should consider things like Rapid Hybridization Krosan Grip Beast Within Nature's Claim and Curse of the Swine. I tend to try to get a board wipe or two as well, so look into Wash Out and Cyclonic Rift and River's Rebuke.
For draw, and additional land drops, I would run Rites of Flourishing Wayward Swordtooth Horn of Greed and possibly Helm of the Host for the commander. You want ways to hit more than your only land drop. Consider Dictate of Kruphix Brainstorm Preordain Ponder and Well of Ideas. For some tribal support and creature support, you have Vanquisher's Banner and Herald's Horn as you mentioned. I would look into Zendikar Resurgent as well.
For ramp, you pretty much want the classic green stuff, some of which you have, like Cultivate Kodama's Reach Rampant Growth Sakura-Tribe Elder Explosive Vegetation among others. These spells double as draw spells when Tatyova is out! So they are very great. I would steer away from Simic Signet and Darksteel Ingot forms of ramp because this deck should focus on lands, but they are by no means bad inclusions.
Things like Unsummon and Rescue are good for saving creatures you want to keep, but countering the spells which remove them, or giving them hexproof is an effective way to avoid removal. Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca is also enormously powerful in a deck like this. I don't see a Lightning Greaves or Swiftfoot Boots and those are staples. Consider investing in a Thought Vessel
In terms of general advice, I would up the creature count if possible.
I know I have given you an overwhelming amount of card suggestions, and don't break the bank getting the expensive ones. A lot of these cards are staples in commander if you don't have them and they will go an extremely long way to making your game play feel more consistent and effective. Let me know if you have any questions. Beating people to death with merfolk is a lot of fun. Speaking of islandwalk, consider Thada Adel, Acquisitor and something like Quicksilver Fountain to create islands.
6 months ago
Looks super fun. Cheers!