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Lodestone Golem Discussion
1 month ago
Hey! I got a few suggestions... feel free to ignore any/all of them.
There're some good mana rocks I think you missed. Mana Vault is awesome, although it can be ~$30 these days. Basalt Monolith is Grim Monolith 's little brother, and if you end up running either of them Voltaic Key or Manifold Key become their own Sol Ring s. Sculpting Steel and Phyrexian Metamorph are very powerful when they copy something like your Sol Ring or Thran Dynamo .
If you have access to it, you should run Cyclonic Rift . Blue doesn't have many options for universal boardwipes, but the Rift is certainly a good one. It's especially good if you pair it with Windfall , which I think you should also be running. If you want to take this all the way, you can run Narset, Parter of Veils , too.
Liquimetal Coating is good, since you can use it instead of Memnarch 's first ability. If you choose to run Karn, the Great Creator , you can turn off/nuke lands with the coating, too. Also Mycosynth Lattice .
Depending on how many artifacts you end up with in your final list, you may find Lodestone Golem to be helpful.
I love that you're running Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm . You should consider some mass-draw spells in addition to the cantrips: things like Treasure Cruise , Dig Through Time and Fact or Fiction are all good at refilling your hand. In terms of permanent-based card-advantage, Staff of Nin is a card I've always really liked.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!
2 months ago
speaks the truth and posted the bomb cards. I would add some wide stuff to get ahead in advantage as well, Wildest Dreams (extremely underrated card imo especially for casual) Harmonize Regal Force Shamanic Revelation
Overall, I think MLD is an extremely viable strategy, but as mentioned before, timing is crucial. If you drop it after securing a much stronger board state than anyone else, you've almost definitely sealed the game.
People get unhappy pretty fast because they want to actually play their cards, and they don't recognize that resource denial is a valid (and extremely strong) strategy. People will react similarly to a cost increaser stax deck with Sphere of Resistance Thorn of Amethyst Thalia, Guardian of Thraben Ethersworn Canonist Lodestone Golem Trinisphere Grand Arbiter Augustin IV and similar. That type of deck can shut out an entire table, but expect to have your board completely dismantled if someone slips out from your control.
I recommend bringing multiple decks to games, so you can gauge the power level if playing for fun. I have a $1100 semi competitive Kess deck that is tons of fun to play, but playing against 3 other players with a combined deck worth of $150 makes for extremely fast and boring games. Bring a battlecruiser, high powered, and competitive deck (or two high powered if you don't have a competitive) to all commander games if you don't know what the game will be like.
3 months ago
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but Timesifter happens to be one of the dumbest cards to run in colorless EDH. Most other decks are going to be doing their best to keep their curves reasonable, but since you have just buckets of colorless mana-producers your curve is going to run very high. If you run Sensei's Divining Top too, you can probably take around 80 percent of the extra turns.
Sculpting Steel is an excellent way to copy whatever your biggest mana-producer is.
I've never liked the tron lands in EDH. My reasoning is mainly that the reward is too difficult to obtain in a singleton, ninety-nine card deck, and that running more non-basics leaves you more open to attack from Back to Basics , Ruination and Wasteland . Many colorless decks already run a lot of non-basics, but you don't want to run more than you have to. I also think you're running a few too many lands, since you're also (ideally) going to be getting a lot of mana from your rocks. I think you should just do a straight trade of the tron lands for other accelerants.
There're also a few other colorless lands to consider. Cryptic Caves , I think, is better than Seraph Sanctuary ; typically you'd only gain one-ish life off the latter, and the ability to cycle Cryptic Caves late game can be very relevant. Ancient Tomb is a BOMB in most decks, especially colorless ones; if you have the ability to acquire it, run it. Thespian's Stage or Vesuva can copy a good land you want more of; Thespian's Stage is especially funny if you run Dark Depths , which also happens to interact favorably with your Mirage Mirror . Also Blast Zone . And Scorched Ruins .
In general, you want to run more two-mana rocks and fewer three-mana rocks. I don't like Pristine Talisman , Seer's Lantern , etc. simply because if you ran two-mana rocks instead, you could land the rock turn two, untap, play a land, and then land a four-mana spell like Thran Dynamo or Hedron Archive . There're enough two-mana rocks you can run in a colorless deck that I think you may find yourself playing a turn behind where you could be, unnecessarily. Some examples: Thought Vessel , Coldsteel Heart , Everflowing Chalice , Fellwar Stone , Grim Monolith (if you're rich) and Hedron Crawler ... I think replacing the aforementioned and other three-mana rocks with some of these is definitely worth trying. If you wanted, Metalworker is probably the best three-mana dork-rock ever made, though he is around $50 these days.
Tamiyo's Journal and Oracle's Vault are good ways to generate card-advantage in colorless decks. Same goes for Staff of Nin , Mind's Eye (which goes well with Victory Chimes , if you want to leave that in) and Karn, Scion of Urza .
My last suggestion's relevance will depend largely upon your moral compass. I have no issue being a grade-A douche in games, since they're just games, and a good person in important matters; you might feel otherwise. Stax, if you're like me, is the way to go with colorless decks that makes them way better, mainly because you have so much more mana than anyone else at the table can make. Consider some or all of the following: Lodestone Golem , Trinisphere , Thorn of Amethyst , Sphere of Resistance , Chalice of the Void (to be cast on X = 1), Winter Orb (especially good with your rocks and if you run something like Clock of Omens ... Relic of Progenitus is good against a lot of decks, and can cycle for a card when it isn't. Grafdigger's Cage is similar. Finally, you may have luck with Tangle Wire , although that can isn't at its best in the modern day.
Right. Good luck!
3 months ago
Not a single sword? Giving Lodestone Golem or Myr Battlesphere protection from 2 colors seems very good, especially with Grand Architect letting you equip pretty much for free. You could probably drop a Lavinia for Sword of Fire and Ice (budget permitting) or another sword that gives protection from whatever colors you play against often.
4 months ago
First, I think you're running way too many lands. Even subtracting Maze of Ith and Glacial Chasm , you have 37 lands for producing mana. Urza's Power Plant , Urza's Mine and Urza's Tower are difficult to make work in EDH. As colorless sources, they're significantly worse than a basic Island when they aren't all in play; assembling them is difficult when they're each only one out of ninety-nine cards. I suggest cutting the Urza's lands, Darksteel Citadel and Seat of the Synod . They all die to Back to Basics , Magus of the Moon and Blood Moon , and the Citadel and Seat both get turned off by Stony Silence and Null Rod . (Though the artifact lands do boost Urza's Karn-friend, I think there're better ways to get artifacts out.) Thirty-two to thirty-three lands is probably about where you want to be; running enough mana rocks will help the deck move faster, and cutting lands means you draw better mid- and late-game too.
While we're talking about lands, it's great you're running Brainstorm , Ponder and Preordain . Ponder and Preordain are good in pretty much any blue list, but Brainstorm really goes from OK to busted with the help of shuffle effects. Fetches like Flooded Strand , Prismatic Vista or Polluted Delta are best, mainly because they don't have an ETB tapped to get in the way of your mana. Unfortunately, since these fetches are played in pretty much every format except Standard and Pauper, they're wildly expensive. Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse are on the table, as are Bad River and Flood Plain .
Tutors are excellent for making a deck more consistent; Fabricate and Merchant Scroll are great cards I see you're running. Whir of Invention is worth considering, and Muddle the Mixture finds both halves of the Isochron Scepter / Dramatic Reversal combo. Reshape and, if your rich AF, Transmute Artifact are also good. Instant-speed card-draw, from things like Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge or Glimmer of Genius , is a powerful effect.
Arcum's Astrolabe is worth considering. I haven't play-tested Urza, Lord High Artificer much more than a little, but having a one-mana artifact that cantrips and produces mana once Urza is out is probably a good effect, especially since you're already running all Snow-Covered Island s. Ramp like Chrome Mox , Mox Diamond and Mox Opal is expensive but extremely powerful; I'm having trouble determining your budget, mostly because you're running Mana Crypt , Mana Drain and Force of Will . Thought Vessel , Mind Stone , Prismatic Lens , Sky Diamond , Coldsteel Heart , Fellwar Stone and the soon-to-release Arcane Signet are all worth considering. In my experience, two-mana mana-rocks are vastly superior to three-mana mana-rocks, as they let you drop your general turn three rather than four.
There're a few artifacts-matter creatures you might want to consider. Vedalken Archmage is a real source of card-advantage, and Lodestone Golem is a great, sort-of one-sided sphere effect. Phyrexian Metamorph is a good way to copy stax pieces you want more of or mana rocks you want again, as are Copy Artifact and Sculpting Steel .
Consider Howling Mine . With Urza, High Lord Artificer is out, tapping it for mana on your turn results in it being a one-sided card-draw effect. Echo of Eons is good as a second Windfall -style card to go with your Narset, Parter of Veils . Sticking in one or two more infinite-mana combos is probably not a bad idea, either. Rings of Brighthearth with your Basalt Monolith or Power Artifact with a Grim Monolith or your Basalt Monolith can both produce an insta-win.
Good luck, man!
4 months ago
Have you tried Dramatic Reversal with Isochron Scepter ? Typically you'll have the rocks out to make it an instant win. I think this combo is likely more competitive than Palinchron loops, if only because it's cheaper mana-wise and blue has more tutors for its parts. Whir of Invention is a personal favorite, and Fabricate is similar. Mystical Tutor , Muddle the Mixture , Personal Tutor and Spellseeker also tutor for the combo parts. Even if you choose not to run the Dramatic Scepter Combo, I think the tutors are worth running.
Other infinite mana CI=U combos include Rings of Brighthearth with your Basalt Monolith or Grim Monolith , and Metalworker with Staff of Domination . If you want to keep the Palinchron loops, try High Tide .
Mana Vault is good, if you have access to it.
Ponder , Preordain and Impulse are all cantrips worth considering. I like that you're running Fact or Fiction ; have you considered Glimmer of Genius , Thirst for Knowledge , Chemister's Insight and Windfall ? Running Narset, Parter of Veils with Windfall can produce an insta-win.
Why're you running Unknown Shores ? I think just a basic Island is better, and Ancient Tomb is GREAT in artifact-decks. Similarly, if you're not running Mox Opal , I think Seat of the Synod and Darksteel Citadel are worse than basic Island s. They die to Null Rod / Stony Silence effects, and they're soft to Blood Moon and Back to Basics . If you choose to make your land-base more basic-heavy, you can run Back to Basics yourself, likely to great effect.
Creature-stealing effects can be good in EDH, especially since they can remove threats as well as produce them; I like your running Desertion . Sower of Temptation , Vedalken Shackles , Control Magic and Treachery are also worth considering.
Instant-speed bounce effects can help fight Stony Silence and Null Rod on the other side of the table, as well as control opposing pressure. Chain of Vapor , Cyclonic Rift , Winds of Rebuke and/or Boomerang ?
Lodestone Golem is a stax piece you should consider. Depending on which combo you want to run, Arcane Laboratory is worth considering. Running Clock of Omens with Winter Orb , Howling Mine or Static Orb is also a way to control the game. Counterbalance with your Sensei's Divining Top -- just saying.
Good luck, man!
4 months ago
Congrats on your first EDH deck! Here're my suggestions. Feel free to ignore them if you want.
Training Grounds makes Memnarch into : Steal target permanent. I don't know if it'd be great, but it's certainly worth testing out. It's similar to your Heartstone . Power Artifact is similar, though I think slightly worse and far more expensive.
If you have access to it, Mana Vault is a great card. It is especially powerful if combined with something like Aphetto Alchemist or your Voltaic Key . Basalt Monolith and Manifold Key are two other cards to consider in this vein.
Mana rocks like Sky Diamond , Coldsteel Heart or the soon-to-come-out Arcane Signet are good includes to generate blue mana. Fellwar Stone is a similar rock that generally will produce blue, as blue is the most common color in EDH (and the rest of magic).
Running Vintage Xerox cantrips can be very helpful; this means replacing some lands with low cost draw spells. Running cards like Ponder and Preordain in addition to your Brainstorm will allow you to run thirty-two-ish lands. Impulse , Sleight of Hand and even Serum Visions and Gitaxian Probe are good also, though these aren't AS good as Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm . Using a Xerox design like this means that you can find lands if you need them, or use the draw spells to avoid getting flooded when you don't.
Pairing Memnarch with Karn, the Great Creator allows you to use your general's first ability to turn off opposing lands. While EDH does not typically have a sideboard, so Karn, the Great Creator 's second ability is usually irrelevant, the one-sided Null Rod effect is probably enough reason to include him.
Regarding your lands, Ancient Tomb is at a relatively low price nowadays; I suggest picking one up if you can. I don't think Darksteel Citadel is as good as a basic Island , if only because it gets shut off by opposing Null Rod s, Karn, the Great Creator s, Blood Moon s and Back to basics and does not produce mana. Same with Seat of the Synod , though this one DOES make mana. I get these lands are meant to build metalcraft; see suggestion 15. Inventors' Fair is worth considering because of its tutor effect.
Vedalken Archmage is a good way to build card-advantage.
Dispel and Flusterstorm are two good counterspells to consider adding, although the second one isn't super cheap. Cryptic Command is also a pretty penny, but as a cantrip-ing usually-counterspell, it is an excellent card. Spell Pierce and Spell Snare are worth considering as well.
Tezzeret the Seeker ? He's a great 'walker for any artifact deck, and in the non-foil form he's about $20.
If your meta is filled with combo decks (I know mine is), Arcane Laboratory can put a stop to that. Overburden is a good way to slow down elf-decks and other aggro strategies, and Lodestone Golem is just plain good. Back to Basics is awesome in mono-blue decks. Note that some of these stax pieces may disrupt your Isochron Scepter / Dramatic Reversal win.
Mindlock Orb ? If you choose not to follow Suggestion 9, this thing does work.
Unless you're running a bunch of 0-cost artifact rocks, I don't think Stoic Rebuttal is good enough. Metalcraft is really good if you can get it online turn one or two with the help of Mox Opal or Mox Diamond , but if you can't get it online early, you're better off running something like Exclude or Mana Leak . Because the good 0-mana artifacts are about as much money as a half-used kidney, I don't think it's worth pursuing the metalcraft theme.
I think changing your Island s to Snow-Covered Island s and running Extraplanar Lens is probably better than Caged Sun . It's cheaper mana-wise, which means it can help you ramp out your general faster. (Once you have six mana for Caged Sun , you can almost cast your general anyways.) That being said, I've never been in love with Extraplanar Lens either, and I think just running other mana rocks like Thought Vessel is probably the best rout there.
Consider Sower of Temptation , Treachery or Control Magic . I had a lot of fun with those when I played mono-blue, as they can steal the game right away from an opponent. Similarly, if you have access to Academy Ruins and Mind Slaver , you can end up being two players instead of one.
Alright man, that's all I got for now. I'm sure after I go to bed I'll think of more suggestions, so if you need more help let me know. Good luck and have fun and stuff!
4 months ago
If you want another artifact prison piece wincon, what about Lodestone Golem ? It's a powerhouse in Vintage, but that doesn't mean much because they usually cast in on turn 1.
These are almost certainly bad suggestions, but I'm just throwing them out there as things to think about!
Lodestone Golem occurrence in decks from the last year
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