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|Commander 2019 (C19)||Uncommon|
|Guilds of Ravnica: Guild Kit (GK1)||Common|
|Commander 2018 (C18)||Uncommon|
|Commander Anthology 2018 (CM2)||Common|
|Iconic Masters (IMA)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2017 (C17)||Uncommon|
|Planechase Anthology (PCA)||Common|
|Commander 2016 (C16)||Uncommon|
|Modern Masters 2015 Edition (MM2)||Uncommon|
|Planechase 2012 Edition (PC2)||Common|
|MTG: Commander (CMD)||Common|
|Ravnica: City of Guilds (RAV)||Common|
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Dimir Aqueduct enters the battlefield tapped.
When Dimir Aqueduct enters the battlefield, return a land you control to its owner's hand.
: Gain .
Dimir Aqueduct Discussion
1 day ago
Love the match-up. I run TYS Kess as well, and it can run super smooth. I have a few quality of life upgrades I can recommend, but ultimately everything has to come down to what works best in your local meta.
For starters, I would reduce the land count by about 3-5. Particularly, I would cut Nykthos and then a combo of islands and/or swamps. Devotion works well in mono to two color decks, but TYS relies on you pulling spells more than lands or permanents, so you won't get as much value out of it here. Instead, I'd recommend Temple of the False God . Most times, you can get it online fairly regularly and having one land that taps for 2 colorless is pretty dope. I'd also recommend either the Dimir Aqueduct or Izzet Boilerworks . Karoo lands may set you back just a bit, but you want as much value as you can get out of it. Ultimately, I'd say drop back to 34 lands, and add Temple and a Karoo land of your preference into that mix.
Next, you have a decent creature-base, but I would tweak and trim that a little bit as well. I'd sub out Hypersonic Dragon for Backdraft Hellkite and remove Crypt Ghast and Consecrated Sphinx . All of those are solid choices in most cases, but Ghast hits the same issue that Nykthos does. Hypersonic is decent for value, but opening your graveyard further with Backdraft so you're not limited to just 1 card per turn is huge on your storm turn. Lastly, Sphinx is an absolute monster of a card, but it might come out a little too late to really get you ahead. I'd add a Mystic Remora , but that's personal preference. Honestly, Sphinx could go either way depending on your meta.
As for Instants, I'd sub out Boomerang for Chain of Vapor , Counterflux for Flusterstorm , Countersquall for Negate , Dissipate for Swan Song , Reverberate for Increasing Vengeance , Rewind for Muddle the Mixture , and Undermine for Disallow . My reasoning for Chain is that most people won't sacrifice a land to copy it, and if you really need to save something, you can do it to yourself, sac a land, and then bounce someone else's permanent. Not to mention, it's a good way to keep something heavy off the board if they use a ritual to sneak a threat in early. As for the counterspells, some of them in there seem a little narrow compared to the ones you had (i.e. they target specific card types), but the most threatening things you'll deal with on your main storm turn are instants and cards with flash, so conditional counters work as good defense for off-turn threats. Also, Muddle the Mixture is a great tutor if you have a lot of 2 CMC cards, because it will fetch you any of them for just 3 mana. It also doubles as a counterspell sometimes. For Increasing Vengeance , I always recommend this over other red copy spells because it gets so much more value out of the graveyard, even more so if you cast it with Kess. Instead of having to pay the flashback, you play its normal CMC and get a double-copy for the price of one (not to mention its interaction with TYS).
Artifacts, I'd swap Manalith and Vedalken Orrery for Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Creativity . Extra mana rocks will help you get around land destruction, and provide you extra mana acceleration earlier. They also don't require you to filter mana the same way the signets do, but in exchange they do hurt.
I'd see if you can fit a Narset, Parter of Veils in place of Liliana. She works wonders for digging purposes, and totally shuts down everyone else's draw.
Lastly, for sorceries, I'd remove Barter in Blood , Decree of Pain , Fabricate , and Mana Geyser . In their place, I'd put Anger of the Gods , Cabal Ritual , Entomb , and Desperate Ritual . Anger absolutely nukes graveyard value, and if you hit it off storm it only gets stronger. Cabal Ritual works as a much more efficient black ritual once you hit threshold, which you should hit fairly quickly if you're cantripping and looting often. Entomb is just as good as tutoring to hand with Kess because if you're looking for a spell, just pitch it and cast it without conditions.
Wow, that was a lot longer than I expected. For some final additions, I'd recommend Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast , Narset's Reversal , Arcane Denial , and Fire Covenant . REB/Pyro works as a good defender on storm turn and can remove a pesky blue permanent that's complicating your life. Narset's Reversal is excellent at protecting your own spells from counters, providing you extra iterations of those spells if you have excess mana, and copying particularly useful spells from other players if you don't want to be effected by them. Arcane Denial is an excellent cheap counter that, though it draws you and an opponent cards, works as a decent political tool and can buy you an extra turn when you're storming off. Lastly, Fire Covenant is a great targeted wipe spell. If you put enough life in it, you can take out just about any number of creatures that are giving you headaches without losing your own in the process.
Overall, I see a lot of potential in the deck and think it could be super smooth with a few changes. The biggest enemy in EDH is inconsistency, so you have to fight that harder than most of your opponents. Also, life is a resource too. Starting at 40 makes it really easy to pay life into spells. I hope this almost dictionary of changes helps, and I look forward to seeing it progress!
2 months ago
2 months ago
Hey, this is a good start for budget. Consider upgrading the manabase with many budget lands from C19?
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Ash Barrens
- Sunken Hollow
- Prairie Stream
- Caves of Koilos
- Irrigated Farmland
- Dimir Aqueduct
- Azorius Chancery
- Orzhov Basilica
Lands to consider cutting:
3 months ago
- Harder cost, usually i spend to cast important blue spells or leave for protection
- Sorcery speed. I can cast Feldon's Cane on first turn or before i need it and just leave on field
- I usually have infinite , because Dimir Aqueduct + Wind Zendikon + Freed from the Real is easiest mana. But not sure about this part.
4 months ago
I've always liked Oloro, Ageless Ascetic -- he was my first general.
I've always thought Path to Exile is way overrated in EDH. Swords to Plowshares , which I see you've included, is better mainly because it doesn't ramp your opponents. In a format filled with people routinely doing mana-intensive things, I think you'll be better off running something like Ashes to Ashes .
Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm are three REALLY good cards. Like Xerox decks in Vintage, in EDH it is advantageous to replace a part of your mana-base with cantrips. This allows you to dig for lands if you need them, and spells if you don't. Running these three, along with similar cheap card-draw, will allow you to run around thirty-two or so lands. Brainstorm goes from good to great if you have a high number of shuffle effects, from things like the Polluted Delta you're running. Similarly, Sleight of Hand or Serum Visions are good; they should be run only if you're already running the first three and still need more cantrips.
Similar to cantrips, card-positive draw-spells (i.e. Spells that draw more than one card) are also real good. Painful Truths , Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge , Night's Whisper , Echo of Eons and Windfall are great includes. Windfall and Echo of Eons are especially powerful if you also run Narset, Parter of Veils .
I highly suggest replacing your three-mana rocks with two-mana rocks. Chromatic Lantern , Pristine Talisman and Commander's Sphere are not as good as Talisman of Progress , Talisman of Hierarchy and Talisman of Dominance . Fellwar Stone , Mind Stone and Thought Vessel are also good two-mana rocks; Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond are good, though wildly expensive.
Ashiok, Dream Render is excellent if your format has a lot of fetch lands; it also hoses graveyard decks.
Ancient Tomb is a better Temple of the False God -- if you have access to it, you should run it. 'Enter the battlefield tapped' can be pretty not-good; while cards like Dimir Aqueduct are card advantage in that they produce more mana from the same number of lands, they aren't as good as a standard dual (at least in my opinion). Silent Clearing , City of Brass and Mana Confluence are all better than the Karoo lands. Caves of Koilos , Adarkar Wastes , Underground River , Reflecting Pool , Forbidden Orchard and Exotic Orchard are similar.
I don't think Felidar Sovereign is very good. Typically you cast it during your main phase, and it has to last an entire turn cycle with your life total above 40 (or 38, in Oloro, if you stack your triggers right) before it will win the game. During this time, all of your opponents will be doing all they can to remove it. I think it may be easier to win with a Laboratory Maniac / Jace, Wielder of Mysteries + Demonic Consultation / Doomsday combo. Running Silence can help protect this combo.
Force of Will and Mana Drain are the gold standard in counters, though they'll cost you about the same as a used kidney. Dovin's Veto , Spell Snare , Dispel and Swan Song are all good considerations; if your meta is filled with fat creatures, Exclude can be good, too.
I think you can run either Ghostly Prison or Propaganda -- I don't think both are necessary, especially since you're running Enlightened Tutor already. I advise running Ghostly Prison over Propaganda , as it doesn't die to Pyroblast / Red Elemental Blast .
Since it seems Aetherflux Reservoir is your main win condition, you may want to consider running Fabricate and Whir of Invention as tutors. If you want to go real deep, Transmute Artifact is a good card (though, also, REALLY expensive).
Alright -- I gotta go to bed. Good luck with the deck building!
5 months ago
5 months ago
You don't want to return an extra land to your hand with Dimir Aqueduct then??? :P
I see my enthusiasm got the better of me. I love the creature, but I see why it's not the right deck for it. i thought you played more ETB triggers.
6 months ago
- -1 Barren Moor +1 Azorius Signet
- -1 Lonely Sandbar +1 Dimir Signet
- -1 Tranquil Thicket +1 Gruul Signet
- -1 Forgotten Cave +1 Simic Signet
- -1 Secluded Steppe +1 Boros Signet
- -1 Azorius Chancery +1 Coalition Relic
- -1 Boros Garrison +1 Thran Dynamo
- -1 Dimir Aqueduct +1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
- -1 Golgari Rot Farm +1 Wandering Fumarole
- -1 Gruul Turf +1 Raging Ravine
- -1 Izzet Boilerworks +1 Celestial Colonnade
- -1 Orzhov Basilica +1 Creeping Tar Pit
- -1 Rakdos Carnarium +1 Hissing Quagmire
- -1 Selesnya Sanctuary +1 Pentad Prism
- -1 Simic Growth Chamber +1 Riftwing Cloudskate
- -1 Mantis Rider +1 Duplicant
- -1 Psychatog +1 Thought Erasure
- -1 Drooling Groodion +1 Vraska, Relic Seeker
- -1 Ancestral Mask +1 Inferno Titan
- -1 Twisted Abomination +1 Exhume
- -1 Sengir Vampire +1 Animate Dead
- -1 Ravenous Rats +1 Unburial Rites
- -1 Spirit Mantle +1 Angel of Invention
- -1 Brood Butcher +1 Cloudgoat Ranger
- -1 Elephant Guide +1 Verdurous Gearhulk
- -1 Gladecover Scout +1 Terastodon
Dimir Aqueduct occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.08%
UB (Dimir): 2.61%
WUB (Esper): 0.7%
UBR (Grixis): 0.63%
BUG (Sultai): 0.72%