Icon of Ancestry

Artifact

As Icon of Ancestry enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.

Creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1.

, : Look at the top three cards of your library. You may reveal a creature card of the chosen type from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven: A Giada Guide

2 weeks ago

Hi king-saproling! Thanks for the suggestions! I guess I'll give some thoughts in as orderly a way as I can.

1) Coat of Arms I love this card and play it in a couple of my decks. My thoughts are that, though a great tribal card, it caters more to pumping weenies. In this case Giada pumps our weenies just fine, and the card is a bit redundant. At 5 mana in mono-white its also a bit high for this deck, but it is a great card and I could see maybe someone having success with it.

2) Icon of Ancestry I really like this card on release, but didn't enjoy it too much in other decks in commander (it was a decent Brawl card when that was a thing). 3 mana is a lot to look for a card that you might never draw, and it can be unsatisfying to play it. The anthem could be good in other context, but this deck doesn't really need it.

3) Adaptive Automaton and other changelings. My general thought on these is that I'd rather just play real angels. While they changelings get counters, they don't fly, and flying makes them way more threatening. If there were a shortage of angels I'd consider putting them in, but I'd rather add Angelic Curator than Impostor of the Sixth Pride. That being said, Giada is weenie angels, and I could see a case for Universal Automaton and Metallic Mimic based on cmc value alone. I'm not sure I could fit them in here, but they are the better options of this group!

4) Slate of Ancestry is a really interesting draw option. Its a bit mana intensive to get going, but it could provide the burst draw this deck needs more of. I'll definitely consider it!

5) Urza's Incubator is a great card, there's no doubt about it. I wouldn't question it in anyone's list! As for me, three of my ramp cards discount creatures, and Giada can only ramp angels, so I need more ramp that can put lands in play or at least help me cast non-creature, non-white stuff. If I already had this in my binder and it wasn't $50 in real world money (I own all my decks in paper), I might consider it. But I think my ramp is working now. That being said, by all means play it because its great!

6) Cauldron of Souls This is good protection from sweepers, and the counters are effectively negated. Nice! I'll definitely consider it.

7) Adarkar Valkyrie This is a good effect, but Cauldron does it better, and Twilight Shepherd is probably a better option. That being said, its a halfway decent angel but I probably won't do it myself.

MagicMarc on 5color Sliver

1 month ago

I don't agree about Jodah, Archmage Eternal or Fist of Suns. I think both of those cards actually hurt your deck instead of help it. Your mana costs are not high enough for replacing them with WUBRG. Neither of those cards brings what Morophon, the Boundless does to the table. I would dump Fist of Suns for Fellwar Stone or something like Cryptolith Rite. Even Birds of Paradise or something similar is a way better card for this deck than either of those. I would dump Winged Boots for Lightning Greaves. Haste is better than flying and shroud is better than ward.

You have way too few slivers in your deck to "Swarm" anyone. Let alone a table full of opponents. Your deck also has a lot of cards that are targeted creature removal. I would dump a lot of that removal for adding quality slivers that provide removal or create removal for you. Take a hard look at your sorceries and instants and see if there is a sliver that does the same thing. Then replace that card with the appropriate sliver. You also need more card advantage to refill your hand once you start slamming slivers down. You can combo using your mana slivers, Intruder Alarm and cards like Vanquisher's Banner. With those cards in play, every time you cast a sliver you will draw a card and untap your slivers which can let you chain through your library in no time.

For more card advantage and more slivers I would suggest the looking to add some of the following depending on your budget; Herald's Horn, Icon of Ancestry, Cryptic Gateway, Descendants' Path, Guardian Project, Kindred Discovery, and The Great Henge. Since you don't have Sliver Queen you can make more slivers with Maskwood Nexus or Birthing Boughs. Realmwalker is another great card. Adding 4-6 of some of these will really speed your deck up.

Good slivers to replace sorceries, instants or land you take out:

Necrotic Sliver, Essence Sliver, Two-Headed Sliver, Fury Sliver, Belligerent Sliver, Galerider Sliver, Bonescythe Sliver, Venom Sliver, Syphon Sliver, Diffusion Sliver, Hibernation Sliver, Brood Sliver, Crypt Sliver, Blur Sliver, Opaline Sliver, Toxin Sliver, Tempered Sliver.

You don't have to use all of these but some of them are insanely good like Necrotic Sliver. You don't need any removal spells if you have a bunch of slivers and this one in play.

Sorin_Markov_1947 on Tolsimir Angels

6 months ago

My first deck was a creature-based deck too. In general, in EDH they aren't good. Basically every deck is prepared for you and every deck runs boardwipes. You absolutely need boardwipe protection/recursion. Teferi's Protection and Heroic Intervention are good starts, but I don't really see much else you can use.

Additionally, you'll to adjust your manabase. A good rule of thumb is 45-50 total mana sources. That can be artifacts, lands, dorks, anything you want, but two-mana artifact ramp is excellent and plentiful. Sol Ring, Selesnya Signet, the G/W diamonds, Coldsteel Heart, Mind Stone, Commander's Sphere, Pristine Talisman, Heraldic Banner, Everflowing Chalice, and Talisman of Unity are all good options. You just really want to be able to make your land drops, you'll almost always have something to do with the mana (especially if you also have mana sinks). You also want to look at a bunch of utility lands. 30 basics is a lot for a dual-color deck. Off the top of my head, Oran-Rief, the Vastwood, Thriving Grove, Thriving Heath, Canopy Vista, and the G/W life land are all budget okay options.

For wolf/general tribal support, there's Vanquisher's Banner, Coat of Arms, Adaptive Automaton, and Icon of Ancestry are all good. Maybe even Herald's Horn. If you want changelings, there's an exhaustive list of them in a deck here on tappedout, The Bones To Build Your Tribal Deck

I'm pretty new to Commander as well, so I'm no expert on how this deck will run or even if my suggestions are good. Those are just my thoughts.

KBK7101 on I Was an EDH Werewolf

8 months ago

Midnight Hunt is looking great so far! Really excited to build around Tovolar as well!

As for suggestions, Kindred Summons just got reprinted in the AFR commander precons. Might be worth a look. Icon of Ancestry is also great for tribal decks.

makronic on Elementalary

1 year ago

General Comments

I think you need to cut a lot of stuff... You'll need 40+ lands for a landfall deck I think. You've got so many cards that allow you to play additional lands. You might not have that many lands to get the value out of those cards, even if you could play lands from GY.

I think in the deck, there's 3 kinds of cards to fit the theme of what you're doing:

  1. Small/medium stuff which both ramps and boosts landfall at the same time like Oracle of Mul Daya
  2. Then it's big powerful board state changing stuff that your general will cheat from GY, like Roil Elemental
  3. Utility for answers to opponent like Ingot Chewer and Demonic Tutor to control the board

Once you have the cards for (1), I think you'll be pretty unstoppable. You'll have the mana base to just throw things out. You shouldn't need to worry about card draw because your general can play off the GY. But, I don't think you have enough cards that puts things into GY. If you have a full GY, your general becomes basically tutor any card and cast it for 5 mana, which is ridiculously cheap. Mayael the Anima 's ability, in comparison, costs 6, and you only get to choose from top 5 random cards. I think exploiting the general's ability is the most powerful thing in this deck, but you can't do it without a graveyard.

I think cards that don't fit that theme you've got going should be cut, even if they're powerful cards, because they clunk up your engine. Except Vigor . Bloody Vigor is the best.

Cards I think you want:

Eternal Witness - this card combos with so much, espectially if you got a way to recur it back. It returns any card from graveyard to hand, not just creatures. Great for searching for answers in your GY which aren't elementals.

Hermit Druid - Populates your GY, and nets you a land in hand. Once it's on the board, for 1 mana, you're guaranteed a basic land, and lots of stuff in your GY. It's crazy good utility. But be careful, because 5 colour means you won't have that much room for basics.

Mana Drain - The much better counterspell

Shriekmaw - Does what your Ingot Chewer and Wispmare can do, but to non-black creatures. Is elemental, so can be reused for general. Completes your board control for artifacts, enchantments, and creatures.

Cards I think you might not want:

Avenger of Zendikar - good card, but not amazing value for money IMO. For 7 mana, I think it needs to be a game changer. I know you wanna build +1+1 counters into it, but I think there's just not enough cards for that engine, and you already have too many cards.

Animar, Soul of Elements - If you have your general out, animar doesn't really do much... If you get Animar out early, it doesn't help you cast your general, and those counters will take time to build up, by which time you might as well use your general.

Kozilek, the Great Distortion - a 10 mana card that you can't cheat out with your general?

Yarok, the Desecrated - you don't really have that many ETB effects for this to be worthwhile imo.

Sylvan Awakening - why for?

Vampiric Tutor - always good to have a tutor... but it might get in the way since this tutors to the top of your library rather than your hand. So it just interferes with your "play lands off topdeck" cards, which you have a few, and then everyone also gets to see what you've tutored.

Nissa, Vital Force - eh...

Path of Discovery - pretty underwhelming... requires a creature to come down, then you might either get a land in hand, or a +1/1 counter to the creature that just came down. So only 40% of the time or so you'll actually get a land in hand. For 4 mana, you have Oracle of Mul Daya, which is just much better.

Exploration - my experience with exploration is that it peters out quickly. If you play it early, you don't have an engine yet, and you run out of land in a turn or 2. If you play it late, it's a little underwhelming. Rather pay more mana for Mina and Denn, Wildborn , Courser of Kruphix or Oracle of Mul Daya which both sources you lands and let you play them. You also have Muldrotha, the Gravetide , The Gitrog Monster , and Zimone, Quandrix Prodigy which also serves similar functions but have other uses.

Growth Spiral - arguably worse than Exploration because it's single use. Effectively does the same thing as farseek because it replaces itself with a card draw, and you get a land on the battlefield in addition to your normal turn land. But worse than farseek because you can't tutor for the card you're drawing, and you need to have 2 lands in hand for it to be worthwhile. Also needs 2 specific coloured mana to play, which you might not have early game in a 5 colour deck.

Icon of Ancestry - costs 3 to use, and needs to tap. You're much better off having something that puts things in graveyard instead because you general only costs 5, and puts it on the battlefield. And you're restricted to elemental cards, which is likely 1/3 or less of your deck. You only get to top deck 3, so it's unreliable and mana inefficient.

Dragonmaster Outcast - it's a strong card, but if you're going to cut something, cut the cards that don't synergize. It's not an elemental, it doesn't put stuff in graveyard, it isn't an answer to something an opponent plays, it doesn't put land on the board or have landfall.

Acidic Slime - I love acidic slime, but it's not elemental and becomes single use. Might as well get a Reclamation Sage instead. Costs 2 less.

Sozumaki on Anowon’s Thieves Guild Co.

1 year ago

[re-posted & edited twice, R.I.P. my typing] Hey there cmilner I went with Icon of Ancestry as a currently available alternative as I don't own Herald's Horn so I'll see how that works out and adjust from there! I've switched Plague Wind with Cyclonic Rift a must have card for sure. I'm considering a card like Confounding Conundrum as slowing down opponent's strategies in a tempo deck seems good. What do you think? Thank you for the suggestions, I've also checked your deck. I found it very helpful and interesting. I'm considering some cards from yours to add and help adjust my own deck! :) Kind regards, Sozumaki

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