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Jace, the Perfected Mind
Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
Compleated ( can be paid with or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target creature gets -3/-0.
-2: Target player mills three cards. Then if a graveyard has twenty or more cards in it, you draw three cards. Otherwise, you draw a card.
-X: Target player mills three times X cards. (To mill a card, put the top card of your library into your graveyard.)
wallisface on Jace, the Fox Cutie Mill
2 months ago
Some thoughts:
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the only creatures ever worth running in a mill deck are Hedron Crab and Ruin Crab. The current selection of creatures you’re running are all extremely slow, durdly, and low-impact - i’d suggest ditching them.
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a bunch of your mill spells are extremely weak and/or resource inefficient. Specifically Mind Grind, Tome Scour and Traumatize shouldn’t really be played. I’d suggest more powerful options such as Fractured Sanity, Tasha's Hideous Laughter, and Archive Trap.
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Similarly, a lot of your other cards are just really suboptimal. I’ll list these and potential replacements below.
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Brainsurge is just worse than Visions of Beyond or Preordain. 3 mana for this kind of effect is just too slow/weak.
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Psychic Strike is just a worse Counterspell or Drown in the Loch. Milling a lowly 2 cards will never be worth spending an extra mana.
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Sleep is just a worse Ensnaring Bridge or Crypt Incursion. Its effect being only one turn makes it too limiting to be useful.
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I know you built the deck around Jace, the Mind Sculptor, but he doesn’t do anything useful for mill. You’d be much-better off running Jace, the Perfected Mind
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Hurkyl's Recall is a sideboard card at-best.
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Part the Waterveil is just too mana expensive to ever actually get cast. There’s zero reason to run this.
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I have no idea why you have Talent of the Telepath, in the deck.
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Mill is supposed to be fast and efficient, so there is no room for Chromatic Lantern, or Manalith in the deck. You need to lower your mana curve drastically, instead of trying to accomodate all these high-mana cards.
If you’re looking for an example competitive mill deck, this one here is a good baseline to build from.
wallisface on U/G Mill
5 months ago
Some thoughts:
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Evolving Wilds is a really bad card - i’d recommend Prismatic Vista instead.
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you need more crabs to make this plan more reliable. Where’s the playset of Ruin Crab?
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I wouldn’t bother with Primordial Hydra, it detracts from the mill plan. Your deck’s never winning through damage.
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Memory's Journey serves no purpose and i’m not sure why it’s here.
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Jace, the Perfected Mind is miles better than Jace, Memory Adept
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Ghost Quarter isn’t great in mill because it doesn’t force your opponent to search, which means they can avoid being hit by Archive Trap. You want to be running Field of Ruin (field has the added bonus of letting you trigger your crabs again).
jacobpmesser on Self Mill Goyf
11 months ago
4 Stitcher's Supplier 4 Hedron Crab 3 Satyr Wayfinder 4 Urborg Lhurgoyf 4 Cruel Somnophage 4 Souls of the Lost 2 Nighthowler 3 Grist, the Hunger Tide 2 Wonder 4 Unearth 3 Brazen Borrower 1 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant 1 Glasspool Mimic Flip 1 Kazandu Mammoth Flip
That's a good base. Take what works and replace what you don't like.
Exp. I've been playing iterations of this for years now and eight one drops are important. You need to start filling your gy ASAP. These are the two best. If you don't want to go into blue, there are cards like Gnawing Vermin but for me, m2 isn't enough. The -1/-1 is helpful so there is some leeway based on META. If I dabble in other colors, Shriekhorn is my go-to.
Satyr's spot can be removed but I play a low land count due to the two modal lands (Glasspool/Mammoth). Mire Triton is another favorite because Deathtouch and gainlfie. It's also a META call. I don't like others like Skull Prophet. If I were playing The Mycotyrant I'd consider it because it 'mills over time' (MOT) but once your opp sees what youre on theyd kill it before you get a chance to use it.
So, in this list I'm 12 goyfs. Eight can self-mill (SM) and the other is useful (Souls) in getting Wonder out of your hand. You can also sac Stitcher to it if you're a T1 Stitcher T2 Souls. Every card in this deck is a permanent besides Unearth so if you fetched at all, you could have a T2 6/6-8/8 Souls of the Lost and that aint to shabby.
I have always played at least 1-2 Nighthowler. It makes those Stitchers, Crabs, and Satyrs a threat and more often than not, takes two spells to kill it (when it's bestowed).
I view this deck as a sort of aggro deck and keeping with 99% creature theme, Grist and Brazen Borrower are my interaction. You can bring in whatever you want (obviously) but it's also provides fliers for Nighthowler, Grist has a built in win-con and protects itself. I always play a Boseiju, Who Endures and if I play more, -1 Unearth for Life from the Loam and if I'm really frisky, I'll add a few more legends, play more of the Channel Lands and another Life/Loam. I've got a oops all Channel lands were all the other lands are Modal and I play Amulet of Vigor with Shriekhorn and use Emry, Lurker of the Loch as a self-mill recur piece. It's fun.
Sidisi is a MOT that can help you go wide. Every time you mill, you get a zombie. I use this in near every build when I'm in color. I've tested Blossoming Tortoise but save that for a Mosswort Bridge version I play and if I can't get that going I want to be able to cast the top end. Shigeki, Jukai Visionary, Molderhulk, Aether Vial + Dryad Arbor help get me there. But just playing the new Squirming Emergence is so much easier than playing all those other cards.
You can find a way to bring in draw, life, other interaction, etc.. it's on you. There are times were I play Jace, the Perfected Mind or Visions of Beyond for draw. Spellstutter Sprite and a few spots for other faeries like Likeness Looter (flying faerie goyfs!).
But that's the base. Do what you want.. because you can literally do anything. I've got a junk list focused on recur with Unearth, Renegade Rallier, Necropanther, Athreos, God of Passage... a jund/grixis list that uses Ob Nixilis, the Adversary and Orcish Bowmasters (sac goyf to etb Ob Nix, Token Ob forces opp to draw 7 for -7 life. Bowmasters deals another 6 plus you get a 6/6 orc token (+2 more for paper Ob +1 if they can't discard). That's a 15 point swing, not including attacks. Another Grixis list that plays Kroxa, Flamewake Phoenix, Seasoned Pyromancer and Ox.
My favorite - game 1, I'm a mill deck that sideboard converts into self-mill game 2. It still deals with the gy but game 1 youre spell heavy and game 2 youre creature heavy.
Anyway, have fun.
wallisface on Modern Mill
1 year ago
Some thoughts that you can take or leave:
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Fraying Sanity is a card that can only really be justified as a 1-of at-best. Drawing a second copy will almost always lose you the game as you’ll never get time to play it, and mill games can easily be lost by one useless draw.
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Running 4x Jace, the Perfected Mind seems excessive. 2-3 feels like the most a deck can justify before its high mana cost impedes deck functionality.
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I get what you’re aiming for with Scheming Symmetry, but it’s far more gimmick-than-useful. The fact this card puts you down 1 card in-hand means its almost always hurting you more than helping you - it might help with one strong turn, but the card disadvantage will ruin your ability to close-out games. Imo just run the full playset of Field of Ruin and aim for more ”individually strong” cards.
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imo your mainboard feels lacking in quantity of both interaction (Fatal Push, Surgical Extraction) and mill-spells (Tasha's Hideous Laughter). I think Fraying Sanity, Scheming Symmetry, and Trapmaker's Snare are all taking up a lot of space in your deck, and taking away your ability to compete.
jdogz32 on Mill deck
1 year ago
Firstly I'd take out Jace's Phantasm as your deck aims to mill not kill. I'd also add Ruin Crab over Hedron Crab if your only going to add one of the Crabs. Although most mill decks add both and play some form of lands similar to Evolving Wilds Some other good adds you should look at are Archive Trap although this one is not budget Fractured Sanity Jace, the Perfected Mind Tasha's Hideous Laughter Drown in the Loch I'd also recommend taking out a few if not all copies of consuming aberation you'll be lucky to get one down let alone multiple copies. Hope this helps
wallisface on Grinding like a pepper mill
1 year ago
Cool, for a pure mill $50 list I'd be doing something like this (all prices from Card Kingdom):
- 4x Fractured Sanity ($0.79ea, $3.16 for 4)
- 4x Ruin Crab ($0.99ea, $3.96 for 4)
- 4x Glimpse the Unthinkable ($1.79ea, $7.16 for 4)
- 4x Mind Sculpt ($0.35ea, $1.05 for 4)
- 3x Jace, the Perfected Mind ($3.99ea, $11.97 for 3)
- 4x Drown in the Loch ($0.99ea, $3.96 for 4)
- 4x Thought Scour ($0.39ea, $1.56 for 4)
- 3x Extirpate ($0.69ea, $2.07 for 3)
- 3x Fatal Push ($2.79ea, $8.37 for 3)
- 3x Crypt Incursion ($0.35ea, $1.05 for 3)
- 1x Murderous Cut ($0.35)
- 4x Field of Ruin ($0.35ea, $1.05 for 4)
- 4x River of Tears ($0.49ea, $1.96 for 4)
- 3x Choked Estuary ($0.59ea, $1.77 for 3)
- 3x Sunken Hollow ($0.69ea, $2.07 for 3)
- 7x Island
- 2x Swamp
Comes to $49.95 total.
Ammonzy on Mill.ionaire [Modern UB Mill]
1 year ago
So far I believe it greatly exceeds initial reactions. My first thought of Jace, the Perfected Mind was that he was a mediocre PW that at best could make it to pioneer. After some games, I'm actually pretty happy with it.
The biggest positive of the new Jace is it gives mill a card that gives us consistent value outside of Mesmeric Orb. The +1 effect is fairly good at keeping the opponent's biggest threat at bay as -3 power is actually quite a bit. Allowing Jace to keep climbing loyalty counters behind crabs that now block super well.
The -2 is probably the best overall ability as its Visions of Beyond complimented with milling 3 cards to help reach that 20 GY threshold. And worst case scenario, you can turn him into a 4cmc Fractured Sanity or 3cmc Glimpse the Unthinkable by popping the ultimate.
cyeRunner on Mill.ionaire [Modern UB Mill]
1 year ago
how do you like Jace, the Perfected Mind so far ?
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