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Creature — Elf Shaman
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TheVectornaut on Commune with the Grisly, Filthy Gods
1 month ago
I have a fairly similar deck that uses Necrotic Ooze to get value out of abilities in the graveyard. I found I liked Splinterfright more than Nighthowler in most situations, and I have even run Nyx Weaver alongside it for more recurring mill. While not budget friendly, Fauna Shaman is a great way to pitch cards and find combo pieces like Jarad.
multimedia on Muldrotha: Budget Elemental Tribe!
2 months ago
Hey, it sucks when opponents gang up on you, Disk and Deed unfortunately have that negative effect. At least you got to see Urza eliminated before you lost :)
If playing Disk and Deed then think of everything else in your deck as expendable, doesn't matter if all your stuff dies because all opponents will too. Muldrotha gives you this flexibility and by adding totem armor effects then Muldrotha can be saved from Disk or Deed if she's enchanted before they pop.
You're slowly removing Elementals making your deck Elementals in flavor, but not much else for the tribe or game play. Risen Reef is the only reason here be Elemental tribal and while it's a good card, it's not good enough to stick to Elementals.
- Cavalier of Night, Cavalier of Gales, Cavalier of Thorns
- Risen Reef
- Mulldrifter, Foundation Breaker, Shriekmaw
These Elementals are good because for what they do there's not other better budget cards that are not an Elemental that could replace them. Playing an Elemental because it's an Elemental instead of a better budget card is not worth it when you don't have much Elemental tribal synergy. Some examples:
- Wayfarer's Bauble --> Embodiment of Spring
- Nyx Weaver --> Splinterfright
- Aether Channeler --> AEthersnipe
- Altar of Dementia --> Lord of Extinction
- Viscera Seer --> Forgotten Ancient
- Woe Strider --> Night Incarnate
Sac outlets are how you can abuse Muldrotha ability with creatures, casting the same creature from your graveyard over many turns. Sac outlets can do more for Muldrotha strategy then some Elementals.
If you're against Eldrazi Titans then consider an exile creature effect because indestructible doesn't stop it and the Titan is gone for good, doesn't ever enter the graveyard after it's removed.
These are three options, Tear is best because kicked it can exile any nonland permanent. Resculpt and Shift are only two mana to exile a creature. The drawback of your opponent getting a creature afterwards is minimal because you'll be removing something much better. Pair any of these instants with Eternal Witness for a repeatable effect with Muldrotha. Either one of these could replace Return to Nature?
Another budget way to deal with an Eldrazi Titan is to it steal from your opponent and then wreck that player with annihilator. Steal a player's Commander and keep control it until Sower is removed. Stealing Sheoldred can be nasty since reanimation is quite good with Muldrotha. Sower is better because with any sac outlet that can sac a creature you can sac your opponent's creature you stole, it dies goes back to that player's graveyard or Command Zone and then you can sac Sower to repeat with Muldrotha. Sower could replace Forgotten Ancient?
Fauna adds a creature toolbox repeatable effect that can also fuel graveyard strategies for Muldrotha. The toolbox can be helpful because you have several creatures who are much better than the others. Fuana is also good with Wonder and Brawn as creatures to discard who want to be in your graveyard. Fauna could replace Icon of Ancestry?
Really consider cutting some basic Forests for more budget dual lands that have interaction with Forests or lots of basic lands? The allied Check lands have been reprinted in latest set Dominaria Remastered, now is the best time to get them since each are down to less than $4.
multimedia on Lathril, blade of the elves
2 months ago
Hey, well done so far upgrading the precon.
Some Elf upgrades to consider:
- Copperhorn Scout --> Defiant Elf
- Elvish Harbinger --> Lys Alana Scarblade
- Circle of Dreams Druid --> Rhys the Exiled
- Fauna Shaman --> Sylvan Messanger
- Elvish Guidance --> Elderfang Ritualist
Copperhorn Scout pairs well with Immaculate Magistrate or Timberwatch Elf to have a repeatable untap effect to make Lathril huge when you attack with Elves. With Immaculate since the counters stay on the creature then can keep Scout and Lathril huge. Fauna Shaman repeatable tutor effect can be useful with Elves that are not impactful enough in the game to tutor for a more impactful creature. Fauna brings a toolbox effect with Elves since she can get any creature and untap effects work really well with her to chain tutor.
Elvish Harbinger and Circle of Dreams Druid are much more price then the Elves you could cut for them, but they're among the better Elves in the tribe. Circle is another mass mana combo Elf, it's Gaea's Cradle effect and Harbinger is an Elf tutor that's also a mana Elf who can make black mana. Elvish Guidance isn't an Elf, but it's another mass mana effect and after enchanting a Forest pair with Arbor Elf.
Some nonElf upgrades to consider:
- Staff of Domination --> Door of Destinies
- Cultist of the Absolute --> Crown of Skemfar
- Patriarch's Bidding --> Return Upon the Tide
- Assassin's Trophy or Beast Within --> Putrefy
- Victimize --> Lead the Stampede
Staff of Domination is most powerful artifact with Elves since it can make infinite green mana with any of the mass mana Elves (Priest, Archdruid, Circle, Marwyn, etc.) if they can make at least 5 mana. Infinite green is then paid into Staff to draw as much of your deck as you want to find Ezuri wincon or to get at least 10 Elves in your control. Lathril's tap 10 Elves to make each opponent lose 10 life can be a wincon with Staff since Staff can infinite untap Lathril and 10 Elves.
Cultist of the Absolute is busted with Lathril for only 1 mana. Without any other boost to p/t it makes Lathril a 5/6 flying/deathtouch/menace threat. The combination of having menace and deathtouch makes combat a nightmare for opponent. Lathril provides the creature sac fodder that's needed to fuel Absolute. Patriarch's Bidding is mass reanimation of Elves for 5 mana.
Door of Destinies isn't a good anthem effect card since it doesn't pump anything without casting an Elf the same turn you play it meaning need more than 4 mana to get any value at all. For 4 mana you can do much better if an anthem effect is what you want.
Some land upgrades to consider:
- Rogue's Passage --> Myriad Landscape
- Twilight Mire --> Blooming Marsh
- Woodland Chasm --> Skemfar Elderhall
Over a couple of turns Rogue's Passage alone with Lathril can build you an Elf army, that's pretty good for a land. Twilight Mire for 1 green mana can make BB and that's helpful when green mana is much more plentiful than black mana, but black mana is also important.
Woodland Chasm is another Golgari dual land that Verdant or Wood to get. Blooming Marsh will rarely ETB untapped making it much worse land then it appears especially for it's price. Fast lands are better in formats where you can play 4x of them for consistency of having them the first three turns of a game. Fast lands are overpriced dual lands in Commander.
Good luck with your deck.
multimedia on Elven Kingdom
3 months ago
Hey, well done so far for your first green deck.
Some changes to consider, to further reduce price, up power level and reduce mana curve:
- Sol Ring --> Emerald Medallion
- 1x more Forest --> Castle Garenbrig
- Staff of Domination --> Rishkar's Expertise
- Elvish Guidance --> Growing Rites of Itlimoc
- Regal Force --> Vanquisher's Banner
- Heritage Druid --> Kodama's Reach
- Elvish Mystic --> Cultivate
- Fyndhorn Elves --> Rampant Growth
- Arbor Elf --> Harrow
- Joraga Treespeaker --> Llanowar Loamspeaker
- Eternal Witness --> Bala Ged Recovery
- Pyre of Heroes --> Genesis Wave
- Fauna Shaman --> Overrun
- Summoner's Pact --> Overwhelming Stampede
- Fierce Empath --> Siege Behemoth
- Quirion Ranger --> Llanowar Visionary
Emerald Medallion is the worst expensive price card here. All the Medallions are way overpriced for what they do because they aren't getting reprinted. Castle Garenbrig is not worth $5, you don't need it's small amount of ramp when you can get more ramp from Elves. With Elves, Elvish Guidance is $1 alternative for Cradle, bonus interaction with Arbor Elf.
Staff of Domination can keep power level high without breaking the bank. It's a combo piece with key mana Elves to make infinite green mana to then draw into a wincon. Regal Force and Eternal Witness are creatures who have same effects of noncreature cards, but since they're creatures they can be tutored for.
Triumph of the Hordes, Overrun, Overwhelming Stampede, Ezuri, Siege Behemoth, Forerunners, Thunderfoot, all of these to overrun your Elves is overkill. Consider cutting some of these for more tutors? Pyre of Heroes, Fauna Shaman, Summoner's Pact, Chord, Harbinger can all get Ezuri. Choose one of Forerunners, Thunderfoot or Behemoth? Fierce Empath, Fauna, Pact, Chord can get it.
Good luck with your deck.
Niko9 on Need help for a green …
3 months ago
Cool, well it looks like an awesome build already, and here are maybe a few suggestions from my time as an elf player. Love the commander too, Freya may not be the most combo-power commander, but she's an amazing toolbox and sometimes that's so much better : )
allosaurus shepard isn't really necessary and can cut back the overall price a lot. I'd say the same with growing rights of itlimoc and in general all of the land ramp might be unnecessary just due to how much creature ramp you will get. Things like Fauna Shaman will be better than land based ramp because they will help you hit your Priest of Titania or other elf-ramp.
To replace some of the ramp like Kodama's Reach I'd put in more big creatures to pay off your ramp. carterhoof behemoth may be the staple, but there are great low cost alternatives.
Other than that there are a few ways you can go with the deck. Elfs can do many infinite combos if that's interesting in the playgroup, or you could also splash enchantments for Setessan Champion and other enchantress card draw. Or you could add toolbox creatures to make an aggro midrange deck that attacks with elves and equipments.
But yep, looks like a great deck already. I just think that to make it budget you might just want to look at what is really necessary. Worldly Tutor and Boseju and The Great Henge and nyxthos and Veil of Summer, I don't think they make the deck run as much as they make it run better, where something like Coat of Arms is absolutely one to include.
multimedia on Nethroi. More mill support?
4 months ago
Self-mill yes, opponent mill no. You'll want plenty of self-mill to fuel Nethroi along with lots of ramp since Nethroi is 7 mana to mutate.
Fauna Shaman, Buried Alive, Jarad's Orders, Unmarked Grave, Vile Entomber are helpful especially if playing dredge creatures. Shigeki, Jukai Visionary is nice for self-mill + ramp + recursion.
Culling Ritual is a powerful card in multiplayer Commander that also provides ramp for Nethroi. Songs of the Damned goes well with self-mill + lots of creatures for ramp especially since Nethroi has 6 black mana in it's mutate cost.
Body Launderer and Karmic Guide are two good creatures with self-mill and they combo with a sac outlet such as Viscera Seer for infinite scry/loot. Activated Sleeper is an underrated 0/0 creature who also combos with Karmic. Braids, Arisen Nightmare is powerful draw in multiplayer Commander when sacing your own creatures helps you.
Plumb the Forbidden is mass sac for mass draw. Vivien, Champion of the Wilds, Emergence Zone, Savage Summoning lets you mutate at instant speed on an opponent's turn.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on Brother's War Spoilers
4 months ago
Coward_Token - Yeah I think it's the face. Kind of gives me Frylock vibes
Gleeock - Definitely some great adds for casual Glissa decks. So far only Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter and maybe the today spoiled Gruesome Realization have a chance of making it into my list. Liberator is a better Shimmer Myr and having a second option in the deck is quite nice. Yes Vedalken Orrery exists but the difference between 3 and 4 mana is huge. With that being said, my more casual Jan Jansen, Chaos Crafter deck has a lot of new toys to try out.
I wasn't expecting for so much Titania, Protector of Argoth support in this set, but Awaken the Woods and Persistent Behemoth definitely warrant consideration.
Seeing Fauna Shaman and Painful Quandary reprints are quite nice.
Union of the Third path seems like a big deal for White. This is, to my knowledge, one of the first straight draw effects in White that doesn't have a symmetrical or additional requirement clause.
Gixian Puppeteer is pretty cool. Possibly a shoe-in for new Sheoldred, new Braids, Seizan, or Nekusar style decks
legendofa on augment/mutate commander deck
5 months ago
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Commander / EDH*
For non-creature cards (and non-mutate/augment creatures), Congregation at Dawn and Fauna Shaman let you find cards from your deck, Undertaker is a pet card of mine that lets you pull from your graveyard, Primal Command does everything, and Shared Summons is a double tutor. All of these will help assemble the right creature for the job. What are you looking for in your noncreature spells?
As far as mana goes, look for five-color lands like City of Brass or Mana Confluence.
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