Drown in the Loch
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Freeform Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Drown in the Loch

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Choose one —

  • Counter target spell with converted mana cost less/mana value than or equal to the number of cards in its controller's graveyard.
  • Destroy target creature with converted mana cost/mana value less than or equal to the number of cards in its controller's graveyard.

wozislightning on Phenax Hates You

2 weeks ago

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. But I am glad you are able to carry on his deck!

My deck is called "Tappy Mill 2.1 (Phenax EDH)" (unsure if tappedout likes links, so I will just put the name in here, and you should be able to find it quick).

Less of a focus on huge toughness in my build (though there are certainly a few dudes with huge toughness in there to get things started) - I like to think of the creature quality for a mill strategy, and be able to mill with tapping the creatures as a bonus.

I think I forgot to mention in my previous comment - Your deck has quite a high mana curve. I would consider more ramp and ways to deal with opponents' problematic creatures. Grisly Spectacle, Dimir Signet, Arcane Signet, Hostage Taker, Hero's Downfall, and Drown in the Loch are all decent on a budget.

Cloudy2024 on

10 months ago

Invert Polarity is probably better than Muddle the Mixture, and I reckon take it out for another Drown in the Loch

zelous666 on Target Practice

1 year ago

Thank you for your suggestions. I considered them and here is what I was able to come up with:

Riptide Laboratory - Believe it or not I'm trying to cut down on the number of non-basic lands for this deck, which is why some of the maybe board lands are sitting on the side. That's a good contender though so I'll add it to the maybe pile.

Mask of Memory - That's a good point. While i normally see extra card draw as never a bad thing, this deck does have a lot. Replaced with Sword of Feast and Famine. Personal favorite sword and it should help to play some of those extra cards that are being drawn.

Drown in the Loch - Swapped it in for Urza's Incubator

Otawara, Soaring City - Swapped in for an Island

Faerie Harbinger - Wife specifically nixed this card. She doesn't like tutors all that much and nearly nixed Demonic Tutor too. I wanted to cry.

SufferFromEDHD on Target Practice

1 year ago

Riptide Laboratory oddly enough has some good synergy with your faeries.

Mask of Memory this deck has no trouble drawing cards. Upgrade this to any other equipment. My suggestion? One of the swords that ramps.

Drown in the Loch, Otawara, Soaring City and Faerie Harbinger should be in the deck.

wallisface on Kamarupa’s Challenge

1 year ago

I think my above suggestion should also probably swap the Drown in the Loch for Collective Brutality just as a way to discard the Bloodghast

wallisface on Kamarupa’s Challenge

1 year ago

My thoughts as a rough draft

I feel like Bloodghast plays soo well as a wincon alongside Oboro that it felt like the direction to push in. Everything else is ensuring we get enough time to flood the board and create misery.

wallisface on U/B Mill

1 year ago

Mill decks only ever want to be running Hedron Crab and Ruin Crab as creatures. Any other options are just not helpful or conductive towards winning. Specifically:

  • both Consuming Aberration and Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker cost such a high amount of mana that the game should already be over (mill decks should be aiming to win by turn 4). and both barely does any amount of actual milling for their egregious costs.

  • Duskmantle Guildmage is only useful as a combo card with Mindcrank. On its own it's basically useless. If you are doing the Mindcrank combo then there's no real reason to run any other mill cards.

  • Fog Bank does nothing and gives your opponent more time to overwhelm you or assemble their combo.

Other cards that i'd suggest are bad choices:

I would suggest looking at cards like Fractured Sanity, Maddening Cacophony, and Tasha's Hideous Laughter *list*. Archive Trap is also a mill-must-have, but may be less-useful if your playgroup isn't using fetchlands. Jace, the Perfected Mind is also serviceable as a planeswalker.

Your deck also really needs some interaction - mill decks are typically too slow to out-race aggro and combo, so you need options to make sure you slow those decks down enough to win the race. Options normally include Drown in the Loch, Fatal Push, and Surgical Extraction

TheForsakenOne on Nicol Bolas Supervillians

1 year ago

6 Mana Teferi is a trap, as tempting as that ultimate is you're just never going to get it unless you're already in a winning position and the abilities are just not worth it. It's too much of a win-more card, if you want that ultimate so badly just replace it with Teferi's Talent. I'd recommend replacing it with Chandra, Legacy of Fire for its Planeswalker synergies. Similarly Ob Nixilis Reignited just draws you a card every turn with a basic kill ability and a meh ultimate, you can do better than that.

I'd say you want more Planeswalkers that protect themselves and your other walkers, It seems too easy right now for you to just crumble when you become the archenemy. Vronos, Masked Inquisitor, Saheeli, Sublime Artificer, Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast can all make chump blockers or protect your walkers in other ways. Lolth, Spider Queen likes the ammount of stuff that will be dying as you chump block and can make 2 blockers.

I'd cut Don't Make a Sound and Get Out for better counterspells. Counterspell is like a dollar, and Drown in the Loch can double as a kill spell if needed. Alternatively Ripples of Potential can block much more than a single spell threatening your walkers.

Leyline of the Void is unneeded unless you are really facing a lot of reanimator, It'll sit dead in your hand too often and it's unlikely to make you archenemy (More often you'll just piss off one player while the other two are neutral) like you want.

I'm surprised that you don't have any of the Oath cards in here. Oath of Liliana and Oath of Jace seem like they'd be great.

For creatures Jaya's Phoenix seems like a slam dunk. Saruman, the White Hand makes a pretty big creature when you cast planeswalkers, letting you trade with bigger things and immediately replace it.

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