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Drown in the Loch
Instant
Choose one —
- Counter target spell with converted mana cost less/mana value than or equal to the number of cards in its controller's graveyard.
- Destroy target creature with converted mana cost/mana value less than or equal to the number of cards in its controller's graveyard.
Ammonzy on
8 Crab Mill
1 week ago
Check out my decklist. Its pretty much what most tournament-winning mill decks run. The only exception is I believe in the power of Mesmeric Orb more than others, but I think the constant value outweighs moving those 3 slots into other cards. The ultimate tip a mill player can embrace is to always focus on milling and not get distracted by too many other game elements.
Im experimenting with Founding the Third Path however it works well with Mesmeric Orb's self-milling, hitting copies of Tasha's Hideous Laughter or Fractured Sanity that hit your graveyard. At worst, you hit a Fatal Push, Drown in the Loch or Visions of Beyond
Bruvac the Grandiloquent is not modern legal. The closest effect we have to that in modern is Fraying Sanity.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-09-20-ub-mill/
wallisface on I have created a deck …
1 month ago
Mill is already a really well-known archetype. The current MtgGoldfish Meta deck is here. My own competitive build is here.
I see Caerwyn has already left you some really good advise on deck suggestions, but I'll list below some general good mill-ethos:
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It's good to treat mill cards as if they are burn cards. In the same way that Shock is unplayable in Burn decks, and card that mills ~7 or less cards is pretty unplayable in mill (I'm looking at Tome Scour specifically as being too weak). The problem is that if your mill cards aren't efficient enough, then you just end up empty-handed, and with your opponent still having a deck (in the same way that if Burn decks only play Shock, they run out of cards before they can kill the opponent).
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It's good to try and assume the game will be over within 5 turns. In that way, cards like Traumatize are pointless - either the game is already over before you get to cast it, or your opponent has soo few cards left in their deck that you're effectively paying 5 mana to mill ~6ish cards. As a rule of thumb, these cards that mill variable quantities of cards for excessive quantities of mana, aren't worth it. I would put Fraying Sanity in the same boat of "just not being useful" - by the time you could cast it you could just be casting a mill spell instead and getting equal-or-better results.
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Mill decks just aren't good at winning races. They generally need some way to disrupt the opponents plans (with stuff like Drown in the Loch, Fatal Push, Surgical Extraction). Just letting your opponent do what they want will almost always end in failure, so ensure your deck has a good-quantity of disruption, to make sure you can secure the win. Cards like Surgical Extraction and/or Extirpate are particularly good, because you can turn-off many decks completely, giving you a LOT more time to enact your plan. And those decks that aren't shut down so easily, will usually suffer to cards like Crypt Incursion, Ensnaring Bridge, or Profane Memento. The general gameplan approach for mill is to let the opponent taste it, then disrupt their tempo so they can't do much-of-anything useful, and then finish them off.
Caerwyn on
Fun opponent mill deck
1 month ago
Mill is a fairly established archetype, with a long history in Modern. It struggles in a number of regards due to effectively being a slower version of burn (it plays a lot like burn, albeit they have 60 "health" instead of 20).
The bread and butter of Mill is fairly expensive--you run 4x Ruin Crab, 4x Hedron Crab, then toss some fetch lands (like Polluted Delta) to double up on your crab triggers. Given how fast Modern is, it can be really hard for Mill to excel if you do not fully commit to the 8-Crab strategy.
Even if you are not running Fetch lands, you should still run the full 8 crabs.
You'll also likely want to change to Black and Blue instead of Mono-Black, which gives you access to the excellent Drown in the Loch and removal in the form of Fatal Push. Your deck as it stands is really light on removal, which is not going to get you far in Modern.
For some smaller changes:
- Replace Serum Visions with the vastly better for this deck Visions of Beyond.
- Traumatize is too much mana for what it does. Instead run Archive Trap and Field of Ruin to force opponents to search their library (they'll probably be doing it with fetch lands anyway, but will be wary once they see you are running mill, so the forced search is a great way to get some big, free mill spells fired off).
- Glimpse the Unthinkable is a very efficient if you switch over to to Black/Blue--and those extra three cards make a huge difference over the inferior Mind Sculpt.
You'll also need to think about a sideboard if you want to be competitive in Modern, with answers tailored to your particular meta (or at least the most common decks you are most likely to see at any given meta).
wallisface on
Blue Mill 3.0
1 month ago
Some thoughts:
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for the same reason that Shock is terrible in burn decks, Tome Scour just isn’t viable in mill - it just doesn’t do enough for the card-cost. I would also add Memory Sluice, and Dream Twist, into this “doesn’t do enough” bucket. I’d suggest grabbing some copies of Fractured Sanity instead.
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Mill decks generally can’t go fast enough to race the quicker decks in modern. This is why its super important to run interaction. Most mill decks include black so that they can run cards like Fatal Push, Drown in the Loch, and Surgical Extraction.
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Your sideboard currently just reads like a bunch of cards that couldn’t fit in the main. You should be using those 15 slots to protect yourself from bad matchups, and dealing with problem cards.
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i’m not sure what Elixir of Immortality, Tormod's Crypt, and Memory Erosion are doing in this deck. None of them feel particularly useful.
wallisface on
Grave Eater
1 month ago
Some thoughts:
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Mill decks don’t really want to be playing any creatures at all, except for Ruin Crab and Hedron Crab. The reason for this is that there is no point in attacking your opponents life total - it just means you’re doing 2 things at once badly, and will fail to accomplish either. Focus on milling and ditch all those non-crab creatures.
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Shared Trauma feels really bad because for 3 mana you’re only milling 2 cards. This is possibly the weakest mill card there is.
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I’d suggest ditching all of your enchants. Chronic Flooding is slow and too easy to play-around. Curse of the Bloody Tome is super slow. Fraying Sanity sounds good in-text, but in practice is almost always not worth it.
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Archive Trap is great and you should prolly be running the playset - but you should get Field of Ruin to play alongside it to force the search (as well as help the crabs).
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You currently have no interaction, which is a really bad place to be as Mill can’t reliably race faster decks. I’d suggest finding room for Fatal Push, Drown in the Loch, Surgical Extraction.
To help with your brewing, an example of my competitive mill deck is here
wallisface on
Mill,mill and mill....
2 months ago
It feels like this list should be far more optimised than it is, considering the $$$ investment. Some thoughts:
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5 mana is incredibly slow in modern, particularly for Mill, which really doesn’t want a game to go that long. Jace, Memory Adept and Nemesis of Reason are just too slow/clumsy to ever be useful.
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Tome Scour and Dream Twist are the equivalent of a burn deck running Shock… that is, it’s just too low value and is a waste of your own resources. I would put Mind Funeral in the same bucket - there’s no point to running any of these cards while Fractured Sanity, Tasha's Hideous Laughter, or Maddening Cacophony exist.
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In a similar vein, you should be running the full playsets of Archive Trap and Glimpse the Unthinkable mainboard, instead of weaker cards like Mind Sculpt.
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You want to be attacking the opponents library, not their life total, so stuff like Jace's Phantasm is pointless. The only creatures ever worth running in mill are Hedron Crab and Ruin Crab.
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Ghost Quarter doesn’t force a search, so isn’t great for forcing Archive Trap. You need Field of Ruin.
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Mill can’t just race and expect to win, you need some interaction to throw your opponents off-kilter and give you the edge. Drown in the Loch, Fatal Push, and Surgical Extraction are all great in the mainboard.
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Your sideboard needs major rework. It currently just feels like cards you couldn’t fit into the mainboard, instead of being able to help shore-up weak matchups.
I have my own competitive mill deck here which may help inspire you.
wallisface on Mono Blue Control
2 months ago
Monoblue suffers generally from having very weak/limited options to anything that resolves onto the board. If your oppoent plays a turn-1 Ragavan or DRC, you’re in a lot of trouble. The answers blue does have to deal with resolved cards are always super weak/suboptimal, and often create too much card-disadvantage, or grant your opponent too much tempo-gain.
Splashing white is often the most popular choice, as it lets you remove any permanent in play.
Splashing Black is strong for being able to easily deal with creature threats, while also expanding the suite of control cards (ala Drown in the Loch).
Splashing Red can also deal with pretty much all creature & artifact threats, while being able to provide solid tempo gains incidentally (DRC).
Splashing Green often leads to weird offshoot brews that aren’t really as strictly control orientated, but all of these offshoots still provide a powerful backbone to allow Blue to survive the boardstate.
Necramus on
Queza, the Queefer
2 months ago
Okay. So, I think you should really lean into the control/combo shell. This deck could use combos like Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood, with some added redundancy in the forms of Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose and Marauding Blight-Priest, or Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Triskelion to close out the game. In order to accomplish this, I think you should cut a ton of the creatures and really lean into board wipes, control spells, and resource denial.
Things like:
You could also do cute stuff like Phyrexian Unlife + Solemnity, giving yourself time to wipe the board again or go for the win with Peer into the Abyss. You should also consider taking a look at your mana base.
I'd suggest going for some fetches, checks, and shocks like:
You also have way too many plains right now. Even before you get the lands I just named, you should cut 6 Plains for 4 Swamp and 2 Island.
I know I've given you a lot of suggestions. I think if you tried putting a list together with all the cards I named, plus some of the bangers from your current list and you'd have a badass deck! Don't worry about trying to do all that right now, though. See which look most appealing/are in your price range and add those first. A lot of these should be long term goals!
Don't tell Rett I gave you so many suggestions XD
-Blake
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