Llanowar Wastes

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Keqing420 on Monomanamaniac's Infinite elves

1 week ago

but you're not actually reaching 50 mana. show me the "exact" line of play that nets you 50 mana. because the line of play you mentioned doesn't even come close, despite sounding like a best case scenario. even if you played a land drop on turn 4, you'd have 4 devotion, meaning your lands could tap for 5 mana (since you need 2 of them to activate nykthos) then you'd have 4 from archdruid, and 3 from heritage druid. so thats 12 mana. where does the other 38 come from?

i don't think Elvish Champion has ever been $20. i actually just looked at the cards price history for a couple different versions of it, and it basically topped at $10.

the shaman is actually not comparable to nykthos for the reasons you stated. a swamp might not get you a turn 1 dork, but thats a poor argument grasping at straws. you'd have fetch lands and dual lands like Verdant Catacombs and Overgrown Tomb, and possibly Llanowar Wastes or the GB pathway (darkbore pathway) from kaldheim. you wouldn't just have forests and swamps. plus it can still come down turn 2. if the cost of the dual lands is too much, then it makes sense to not include shaman. but saying "a swamp doesn't get me a turn 1 dork" isn't quite a valid reason in my opinion. you'd likely only have a single basic swamp in the deck anyway, simply in case someone casts Path to Exile or Assassin's Trophy.

Beast Whisperer and Primal Surge should be cut. there are better creatures to spend 4 mana on, and you'll probably just have an empty hand by the time you draw him if elves did their job to begin with. by the time you have the board presence required to pump out 10 mana for surge, you have the board presence to likely just attack and win. it's a "win more" card in elves.

Destroyerbirb on Sakashima rough draft (Please Help)

1 month ago

Very nice. Just before I start talking about cuts and edits, I want to say that your land count is WAY too low. I usually play 35-36 lands, with about 5-10 other mana producers. Only CEDH decks run such a low land count, because they need to play fast with cards like Mana Crypt and such. Add more lands to the deck.

I will start with talking about cuts, because there are a few cards that I feel shouldn't be in the deck.

Jace, Wielder of Mysteries is known for being a wincon in CEDH and strategies that want to mill themselves out. However, it's not right here. There is no real upside to adding it to the deck, so this is an obvious cut.

Thirst for Knowledge: I'm not sure why you put this one here. It doesn't work well due to you having such a low artifact count. Also, it's only a one time card draw, which isn't too good in commander. I guess Chemister's Insight goes in this section as well.

Finale of Revelation can be a good card, but it's mainly used as an infinite mana sink. I would not recommend this in a deck that doesn't go infinite and focuses on creatures.

Nyx Weaver is getting worse and worse. It has gotten to the point where it's nigh unplayable. Cut.

Echo Storm has great potential in an artifact based storm deck, but not here. Same argument as with Thirst for Knowledge.

Clone, despite being the original clone, is considered to be one of the worst. I would definitely cut this one out.

I know Nascent Metamorph is a fun card, but people overestimate what this card can do. Don't play it in any non-chaos build.

Expedition Map: Only good if you are running some amazing land cards or land combos, such as Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.

Mirror Shield? Just don't run it.

Ok, so those are the 10 cards I would cut. Now, adding cards is a bit harder. In my suggestions for the forum for this deck, I suggested a reanimator theme, but it looked like you didn't take it, so I won't add too many cards from reanimator strategies. Also, it looks like you are working on a "budget", so I won't suggest anything over ~$20.

Just a quick note; When people are making these clone strategies, they often forget to put enough creatures to copy. This is a common deck building mistake, but something that will cost you games.

Grave Titan is an all-star. It is an army in a can, and when copied, it gets out of hand. I would also like to suggest Sheoldred, the Whispering One because one copy alone can take over games.

Cackling Counterpart is one of the best copy spells ever, right behind Rite of Replication.

As Jimmy showed in the latest "Game Knights" episode, Solemn Simulacrum is crazy in clone decks, and seconds as ramp and card draw.

Finally, speaking about ramp, Rampant Growth is still one of the best ramp cards in the game.

Now, you may have noticed I only suggested 5 cards when I cut 10, and that's because you need to raise your land count. Below are some budget but good lands you should work with. Also, try not to work with too many tap lands, as they slow your game down.

Lumbering Falls and Hissing Quagmire: You already have one man land, so why not work with some more? Cloning these lands is essentially ramp.

Rejuvenating Springs, Morphic Pool and Undergrowth Stadium: If you have the budget for these, they are essentially dual lands.

Temple of Mystery and Temple of Malady: I'm not sure what is with the deck and incomplete cycles, but if you run one temple you should run all three.

Zagoth Triome: A bit pricy but it's fetchable or can be used to dig through your deck.

Hinterland Harbor, Drowned Catacomb and Woodland Cemetery: Check lands are really good, but get them soon because they are slowly rising in price.

Fabled Passage, Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse: Basic fetchlands. (Did you get my pun?)

The filter lands from Lorwyn, (Flooded Grove, Twilight Mire and Sunken Ruins) are pretty good if you can get them.

Finally, I will recommend my favorite cycle of lands, the pain lands. Llanowar Wastes, Yavimaya Coast, and their more expensive sibling Underground River enter untapped and add any of the two mana you need.

Just cut some basics to add these lands in. But don't cut too many basics! You need about 12 basics at minimum in a casual deck!

If you want to look any further into the clones strategy, take a look at EDHREC's page for clone strategies. (https://edhrec.com/themes/clones)

I like how you chose some interesting cards I have never seen before, and this deck looks fun to play. I hope these suggestions were of some help to you.

buttrocious on Ghave, Token Engine

2 months ago

Additions: Definitely in: Llanowar Wastes, Temple of Malady, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar, Generous Patron

Probably in: Viscera Seer, Mythos of Nethroi, Fungal Rebirth, Sakura-Tribe Elder

Possibly in: Grismold, the Dreadsower, Woodfall Primus, Vraska, Golgari Queen, Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder

Subtractions: Avacyn's Pilgrim, Dauntless Escort, Bloodspore Thrinax, Beastmaster Ascension, Nature's Spiral, Overwhelming Stampede

TriusMalarky on Eyed Abyss of Rainbow Irises

2 months ago

See, you'll either be using Vannifar as a card quality engine -- making sure u get the perfect card for the situation(within limitations) -- or you'll want a different engine. Cards like Teferi, Hero of Dominaria are extremely good at grinding out tons of cards. There are a lot of them though, so don't think it's only this $30 card.

Now, a couple points:

• Grazer is best if you have high land counts. And when I say high land counts, I mean 25+. You absolutely need that third land by turn 2 -- so three lands in the top 8 or 9 cards. If you cannot afford 25-26-27 lands, or think that is far too many, please do not run Grazer. There are good decks for it, but not everything.

• Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves are good. Run those if you want ramp; it's the best ramp package in Pioneer.

• Yavimaya Coast, Llanowar Wastes, Shivan Reef, Battlefield Forge, Caves of Koilos. If you're buttset on 6 colors, use those.

• I find it funny you're talking about a fast tempo... when you still have Chromatic Lantern and Sylvan Caryatid and all sorts of bad tempo. Dude, Chromatic Lantern isn't even good tempo in EDH. It's only good for fixing, and trust me, the painlands will provide enough fixing.

Destroyerbirb on Now Play Dead

3 months ago

SalsaCondor I like it. I would just upgrade the mana base. (If you can have Verdant Catacombs you can have other lands.) Here are my suggestions.

Overgrown Tomb is a no brainer, being both a Forest and a Swamp. It’s fetchable with Verdant Catacombs.

Llanowar Wastes is a nice dual land, always coming in untapped.

Blooming Marsh is good in the early game, and a dual land.

Woodland Cemetery almost always enters untapped.

Twilight Mire enters untapped and helps you filter mana. (Hence the nickname filter land)

Westvale Abbey  ^Flip is a game-ender for games going to long.

My only suggestions to upgrade the deck outside of the mana base would be to add a sideboard. Just find sideboards from other Golgari decks and use something similar.

+1 from me.

multimedia on Help with Korvold

3 months ago

Hey, it's going to be difficult to improve on something if you start with the mindset of "I'm not good at it". If this is your first Commander deck then you are already good at deck building especially your card sense, decent mana curve and knowing mostly what's a playable land for your budget and not a playable one. Overall, well done with your casual version of Korvold :)

One drop mana dorks are nice with Korvold because they can be the fastest ramp and then be sac fodder when you don't need them: Birds of Paradise, Elves of Deep Shadow, Elvish Mystic, Wild Growth, Llanowar Elves. Tireless Tracker, Mystery Booster version is cheapest, is good with Korvold because it can be a repeatable source of permanents to sac (clues) just by playing lands. Clues can be a backup repeatable draw source if Korvold is disrupted. Dreadhorde Invasion, Jolrael, Mwonvuli Recluse, Loyal Apprentice are two drops that can be a repeatable source of a token to sac to Korvold.

Meren of Clan Nel Toth and Korvold are quite the pair. Every time you sac a creature to Korvold you get experience from Meren and use the experience at your end step to reanimate or recur a creature you saced. Sakura-Tribe Elder and Plaguecrafter are good examples of the best of both worlds since they can sac themselves for value. Jarad's Orders is a budget tutor that's nice with reanimation since you get two creatures, one into your hand, the other into your graveyard.

Some lands within the budget to consider adding: Llanowar Wastes, Karplusan Forest, Savage Lands, Ghost Quarter. If you add green one drop mana dorks then more dual lands that can ETB untapped turn one to make green are helpful. The Jund Tri land is a upgrade for a land that always ETB tapped. Quarter is nice since it can sac itself to destroy a problematic opponent land or even your own land in a pinch and can play it from grave with Ramunap Excavator.

If you're interested in any of these suggestions then I offer more advice about what cards to cut. Good luck with your deck.

multimedia on Muldrotha Dredge/Self Mill Budget Commander

3 months ago

Hey, good budget version of Muldrotha.

Mystic Remora, Kaya's Ghostform, Siren Stormtamer, Crop Rotation are one drops to consider adding. These cards provide good value for only one mana. Muldrotha enchanted by Ghostform makes it difficult for your opponents to remove since it doesn't even go back to Command Zone when it dies or exiled.

Exotic Orchard, Llanowar Wastes, Yavimaya Coast, Sunken Hollow, Tainted Wood, Ash Barrens, Simic Growth Chamber, Golgari Rot Farm, Dimir Aqueduct are budget land upgrades to consider.

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Cards to consider cutting:

• Dismal Backwater
• Jungle Hollow
• Jwar Isle Refuge
• Thornwood Falls
• Traveler's Amulet
• Aligned Hedron Network
• Levitation
• Brawn

Good luck with your deck.

DemMeowsephs on Go Not Into Dark Woods

4 months ago

Hey there! One way to strengthen and upgrade your deck is through your mana base! Maybe consider some of the following lands!

• Blooming Marsh
• Llanowar Wastes
• Nurturing Peatland
• Twilight Mire
• Verdant Catacombs
• Pine Barrens (Budget/Maybe)
• Ancient Tomb
• Prismatic Vista
• Fabled Passage
• City of Brass
• Mana Confluence
• Reflecting Pool
• Command Tower
• Exotic Orchard
• Strip Mine/Wasteland
• Forbidden Orchard
• Gemstone Mine

• Gemstone Caverns

• Some of these are a tad bit expensive, (cough Verdant Catacombs cough) but many others are rather cheap, especially cards like Command Tower, which are even some of the best. An upgraded mana base can make a deck SO SO much faster, and it helps much more than one would believe. I would recommend trying them out and playtesting them, and seeing if they help first!

• Another couple cards to consider are some upgraded ramp cards! Your average CMC is pretty low so they aren't too necessary, but its good to consider a couple at least. Maybe consider some of the following

• Arcane Signet

• Birds of Paradise
• Sylvan Caryatid
• Burgeoning
• Golgari Signet
• Jet Medallion/Emerald Medallion
• Exploration
• Lotus Petal

If this helps be sure to check out some of my decks, (Double Trouble EDH *PRIMER*), give me suggestions if you have and support it if you like it- I'd appreciate it! Anyways though, good luck on your deck, hope this helps, and have a great day! Happy tapping!!!