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As Choked Estuary enters the battlefield, you may reveal an Island or Swamp card from your hand. If you don't Choked Estuary enters the battlefield tapped.
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2 weeks ago
Cool, for a pure mill $50 list I'd be doing something like this (all prices from Card Kingdom):
- 4x Fractured Sanity ($0.79ea, $3.16 for 4)
- 4x Ruin Crab ($0.99ea, $3.96 for 4)
- 4x Glimpse the Unthinkable ($1.79ea, $7.16 for 4)
- 4x Mind Sculpt ($0.35ea, $1.05 for 4)
- 3x Jace, the Perfected Mind ($3.99ea, $11.97 for 3)
- 4x Drown in the Loch ($0.99ea, $3.96 for 4)
- 4x Thought Scour ($0.39ea, $1.56 for 4)
- 3x Extirpate ($0.69ea, $2.07 for 3)
- 3x Fatal Push ($2.79ea, $8.37 for 3)
- 3x Crypt Incursion ($0.35ea, $1.05 for 3)
- 1x Murderous Cut ($0.35)
- 4x Field of Ruin ($0.35ea, $1.05 for 4)
- 4x River of Tears ($0.49ea, $1.96 for 4)
- 3x Choked Estuary ($0.59ea, $1.77 for 3)
- 3x Sunken Hollow ($0.69ea, $2.07 for 3)
- 7x Island
- 2x Swamp
Comes to $49.95 total.
3 months ago
- 33 lands is too low and will force too many mulligans. Try playing 35 lands. To prevent being mana flooded with these extra lands, add lands that have some activated ability that can be used later in the game. I suggest adding Creeping Tar Pit, Access Tunnel.
- You have too few dual lands fixing your colors. You'll likely end up missing one of the colors. Here's a list of dual lands to consider: Choked Estuary, Darkwater Catacombs, River of Tears, Darkslick Shores, Shipwreck Marsh, Drowned Catacomb, Sunken Ruins, Temple of Deceit.
- Since you are an aggro deck, you need to play untapped lands. Remove The Dross Pits. BTW, you have it listed twice, which is obviously a mistake.
7 months ago
@Daikodubs Alright, so here’s what I cobbled together. It isn’t quite Sultai, and I’d actually very much recommend abandoning a tri color mana base in favor of instead, but if you’re dead set on Sultai it’s easily adaptable.
You’ve got enough mana to reliably cast Hedron Alignment from your hand.
You’ve got a boatload of countermagic to fizzle a lot of what your opponent may try, either to stop you or else to bolster their own strategy.
Lastly, I threw in Gurmag Angler because you mentioned you like Delve and it’s also a fine card to block with if necessary or even to win with should Hedron Alignment somehow not be a viable wincon for whatever reason.
Prices fluctuate depending on where and how you buy, but this rings it at around $20 or less depending on the set of card you’re looking at. Like I said, this is but one way to try building around Hedron Alignment and there are many others. But the idea is to fully commit to it while ignoring anything that’ll only distract from it. Take it, adjust it as you see fit, make changes etc.
Hope this helps.
10 months ago
Hey, you've moved on from snow :) Nice version on budget, interesting strategy of proliferate. Unique combination of Muldrotha with Elementals and proliferate.
Consider less basic Forests? Get more green sources from budget dual lands to help color fixing? Command Tower is a staple land in Commander for multicolored decks. Exotic Orchard in multiplayer Commander will rarely not make the color of mana you need. Path of Ancestry is a Tri land that also provides repeatable scry when used to cast an Elemental.
The Pain lands ETB untapped and in my opinion they're among the best budget dual lands in Commander. Wastes and River have just been reprinted in the latest Standard set Brother's War.
Even cutting some basic Forests for dual lands you'll still have many basic lands therefore consider some dual lands that care about basic lands? The Snarls care about basic Forest in hand and you'll have many of them.
These are staple budget mana rocks in Commander. Sol Ring can be really helpful to cast Muldrotha.
Improving color fixing from lands can also help to cast the five drop budget Cavalier Elementals who have nice ETB trigger and die trigger, that's good with Muldrotha. Cavalier of Night is also a sac source to sac a creature you control to cast it again with Muldrotha.
These are excellent budget cards with Muldrotha and have synergy. The creature you get with Neoform ETB with a counter, ready for proliferate. Jarad's Orders can tutor for Witness and another creature.
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
Hey, well done so far upgrading the precon, nice Phyrexian Altar.
Some cards from the precon to consider adding:
- Talisman of Dominance --> Sky Diamond
- Dreadhorde Invasion --> Eternal Skylord
- Curse of the Restless Dead --> Undead Alchemist
- Pact of the Serpent --> Battle at the Bridge
- Zombie Apocalypse --> Dread Summons
- Gisa and Geralf --> Ebondeath, Dracolich
- Feed the Swarm --> Polymorphist's Jest
- Liliana, Death's Majesty --> Liliana's Mastery
- Tainted Isle --> 1x Island
- Choked Estuary --> 1x Island
Talisman of Dominance ETB untapped to make either color. Another mana rock upgrade is Dimir Signet replacing Charcoal Diamond. Dreadhorde Invasion is a repeatable source of Zombie and Eternal Skylord is a much worse Hordewing Skaab. Curse of the Restless Dead is a more reliable repeatable source of Zombies than Undead Alchemist.
Pact of the Serpent is powerful tribal card for Zombies. Battle at the Bridge needs lots more artifacts to be playable. Zombie Apocalypse is powerful tribal card for Zombies especially when your Commander sacs Zombies to draw. Patriarch's Bidding is another mass reanimation tribal Zombie card. Dread Summons needs a ton of mana paid into it to be decent since you have no control over milling your own or opponent creatures.
Gisa and Geralf can be repeatable cast of Zombies from your graveyard which can do more than Ebondeath, Dracolich. Feed the Swarm is helpful to have enchantment removal in Dimir. Liliana, Death's Majesty can be repeatable Zombies and her other abilities are good too. She does more than Liliana's Mastery, but honestly you don't need either one of these cards since there's better five drops here or could add.
The more basic Islands you can replace with Dimir dual lands the better the manabase will be because black mana is much important than blue. Lots of basic Islands makes it more difficult to cast heavy black spells. Tainted Isle and Choked Estuary are playable lands in the precon that care about Swamps and you have a lot of Swamps.
Good luck with your deck.
1 year ago
Hey, thanks for the suggestions! ^^ I thought a lot about adding Vendilion Clique, but in the end, they don't fit very well, as this deck kind of cosplays as a rogue tribal (Noggin Whack and Oona's Blackguard) too and already has so much "interaction" with the enemy hand by Inquisition of Kozilek, Noggin Whack, Oona's Blackguard and Thieving Sprite, that the cluqie feels a bit redundant. Lonely Sandbar was actually in the deck for quite some time, until i discovered the super-budget mana fixer Choked Estuary which just replaced them, since they require a certain amount of basic lands ^^ Vendilion Clique has a lot of flavour tho, so i'm still internally debating whether or not to include them.
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1 year ago
So I actually did an order the day before you commented and luckily for me a lot of your suggestions are in my order.
I’ve been really contemplating making Mirko Vosk my commander due to the lack of red but I really wanted Xander to work.
1 year ago
Hey, I saw your forum topic asking for help. Fine start on a low budget, but do you want a Dimir Zombie deck or a control deck?
I ask because you're not playing a Zombie as 4x instead all the instants you're playing are 4x. If playing Champion of the Perished my advice is focus more on Zombies and less on control to better trigger Champion. Right now the core of your deck are instants, not Zombies which isn't helping Champion. Be more aggressive with Zombies and Champion, relying less on control? More control can go in your sideboard for certain matchups, but it doesn't have to be main deck.
Honestly, on a low budget you're better off playing mono black Zombies with all basic Swamps rather than having a less than ideal slow two color Dimir manabase with many lands that come into play tapped. The problem is all the blue spells that aren't Zombies. You can get enough blue sources for blue Zombies with tribal lands such as budget Unclaimed Territory, but it can't cast Counterspell.
You can get control from just black playing Legacy with main deck Hymn to Tourach. It's a powerful effect for two mana since your opponent has no choice over what they discard. 4x Duress in the sideboard is good for control on a budget. Hymn is better control with Zombies than Counterspell because it's black.
Consider 1x more Champion of the Perished? You want to have the most chances of having it turn one and it's the reason you're playing Zombies. Champion can benefit from more one drop and two drop Zombies which can increase the aggression to make Diregraf Captain pack more of a punch. Hordewing Skaab is more powerful when you have more Zombies. Dread Wanderer can reanimate itself and Diregraf Ghoul is fine on a budget as another one drop Zombie.Bladestitched Skaab is 2/3 two drop Zombie lord and it's a good reason to play blue with Zombies.
Don't be afraid to use your life as a resource for Undead Augur who can be repeatable draw when your Zombies die. The effect lets you keep swinging with Zombies and it's board wipe recovery. Graf Reaver is a 3/3 two drop Zombie who can pick off a Planeswalker if needed and it's good with Zombie lords.
Dark Ritual can help to have fast starts when playing more one drop and two drop black Zombies and it also lets you reduce the amount of lands since it's ramp. Turn one cast Ritual to cast up to three one drop Zombies or a one drop Zombie and Hymn to Tourach, etc. Ramp out Hordewing Skaab turn three with three lands after playing a Zombie turn one and turn two, etc.
Infernal Grasp is a better main deck creature removal than Doom Blade since Grasp can destroy any targetable creature. Doom is more of a sideboard card if played at all to bring in against mono green, white or red decks.
Tainted Isle is now a budget Dimir land that enters the battlefield untapped that cares about basic Swamps. Choked Estuary can enter the battlefield untapped if you reveal a basic Swamp from your hand. These dual lands are some budget upgrades to consider.
This is an example of a budget Zombie core to start with for Champion of the Perished:
If you're interested I'll continue with more advice in another comment including some cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.