Forgotten Ancient

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Premodern Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

Forgotten Ancient

Creature — Elemental

Whenever a player casts a spell, you may put a +1/+1 counter on this.

At the beginning of your upkeep, you may move any number of +1/+1 counters from this onto other creatures.

shadow63 on Hamza +1/+1 counters

2 weeks ago

let me just reiterate your card choices aren't wrong. these suggestions are going to be because maybe we have different play styles or different metas. like i really try to keep my removal as flexible as possible and my +1/+1 counter deck is atraxa . Armorcraft Judge its unreliable and is a bad top deck. Avatar of the Resolute it just doesnt scale well to edh. Custodi Soulbinders paying 3 mana just to make a 1/1 is'nt very exciting. Fertilid ive used this one alot and in my games i almost never used it to ramp it was just a vanilla creature.

Return to Dust is just awkward i much pefer Heliod's Intervention. Ruinous Intrusion 4 mana to blow up 1 artifact or enchantment isn't worth it even if does give you a few counters. Lifecrafter's Bestiary with so few creatures its not great. with more creatures in here it could be great. Celestial Judgment there will be games where it will give you the win but there will be games where someone just has something huge out that this just misses or youll have to blow up more of your own stuff then an opponents Hour of Reckoning this is only good in a token deck.

some replacements creatures. Park Heights Maverick, Loyal Guardian, Forgotten Ancient, Walking Ballista, Pir, Imaginative Rascal, Steelbane Hydra, Evolution Sage, Conclave Mentor. non creatures Hardened Scales, Austere Command, Damning Verdict, Tome of Legends, Coalition Relic, Vastwood Surge

Gleeock on What is your favorite mob …

1 month ago

Probably Ziatora, though I wished for more creativity for my beloved .. There are some ways you can go still, I would consider high payoffs for big-dick (power) creatures. Things like draw = power, ramp = power, Greven, Predator Captain & go with all the self-growing things in the 99 like Forgotten Ancient, Managorger Hydra or Malignus type things. Then, you have a solid 99 that can function on its' own but ziatora can be a finisher stapled on your commander without having to go combo finisher.

smack80 on Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy: Big Mana Big Creatures

1 month ago

I love the +1 counter theme. Here are some includes to make it better: Forgotten Ancient does double duty with Simic Ascendancy. Managorger Hydra is a good early drop. Devoted Druid can turn +1 counters into mana and Glen Elendra Archmage can turn +1 counters into counterspells.

Chief_Warlock_Engineer_of_Skavenblight on +1/+1 deck

2 months ago

What about an Ivy Lane Denizen with Scurry Oak or Herd Baloth to make infinite Tokens and a infinitely big creature. I see you run Craterhoof Behemoth but not a single token creater.Maybe some more Tutors would also help like Shared Summons which puts these to pieces at instant speed into your hand? Eventhough Shared Summons is a bit low powered considering that you run such a powerful Manabase. So maybe Worldly Tutor, Summoner's Pact or Survival of the Fittest instead? I'd probably cut Abundance, Triumph of the Hordes, The Great Aurora (since you only run 32 lands) and Managorger Hydra, since you run Forgotten Ancient already which is a strictly better version of Managorger Hydra. Also in terms of carddraw it seems like you could have some more. Maybe a Return of the Wildspeaker or Greater Good to be able to use these big creatures to keep on drawing into fuel. Maybe consider dropping the fight effects like Khalni Ambush  Flip and Smell Fear. They seem rather inconvenient without deathtouch even if they can easily be used as target removal, but i guess drawing into a wincon is worth more than getting rid of a creature?

multimedia on Big Frog Energy

2 months ago

Hey, Croaking Counterpart is a good way to get Frogs because it can copy an opponent's creature including a Commander. Any card recursion is a specialty in green: Eternal Witness, Regrowth, Bala Ged Recovery  Flip, etc. This kind of recursion with Counterpart seems like a good way to get Frogs who can give you some value.

Changelings are Frogs. Bloodline Pretender looks like a Frog, cares about +1/+1 counters and grows whenever Keimi is created. Changeling Outcast is a one drop Frog who's unblockable. Moritte of the Frost can copy a creature you control making it a Frog + adding counters.

For the +1/+1 counters strategy consider more repeatable sources of counters: Oath of the Ancient Wood, Hadana's Climb  Flip, Forgotten Ancient? Winged Temple of Orazca can be a win condition effect with Tatsunari.

Because playing enchantresses and other effects that care about enchantments for ramp most mana rocks and land ramp would be better as land auras: Wild Growth, Utopia Sprawl, Fertile Ground, Overgrowth, Weirding Wood, Wolfwillow Haven. Some mana rock exceptions are Sol and Arcane Signet.

Good luck with your deck.

Fuzzy003 on Don't Let 'Em Breathe (counters)

2 months ago

All depends on your play group. I play usually with 3-5 in various multiplayer formats so a Forgotten Ancient making it around after a turn 3-4 drop typically ends up around 5/8 by the time it gets back to me(more with Hardened Scales in play). Well worth it for me. In a 1 on 1 he's a lot slower.

Fuzzy003 on Don't Let 'Em Breathe (counters)

2 months ago

Forgotten Ancient might have been forgotten for the deck. The ability to gain (particularly with Hardened Scales in play) and distribute +1/+1 counters should make a nice addition.

multimedia on Sultai One or the Other?

3 months ago

Hey, well done first attempt on a budget.

Something to consider is taking more advantage of Ukkima being unblockable for repeatable draw when it does combat damage to an opponent and the draw takes no additional mana which is key. These kind draw options could replace some of the mutate creatures since they're only consistently going to trigger once when you mutate Ukkima.

Yes, you could mutate Ukkima again, but you don't have enough mutate creatures for that to consistently happen and most mutate takes a lot of mana which is really not worth it. You're more likely to do combat damage to a player with Ukkima then to mutate since all you have to do is attack. Some mutate creatures are better than others such as Sea-Dasher Octopus and Gemrazer.

To take advantage of mutate with Ukkima you really want ways to return Ukkima to your hand since that will also return all the mutate creatures if they're mutated to Ukkima such as Crystal Shard. This lets you cast all the mutate creatures again to get the mutate effects again. I don't think it's worth including these effects, but they're options to make Ukkima better with mutate. Repeatable draw gives you more card advantage without having to jump through hoops or spend a lot of mana.


It's helpful in Commander when you have at least 10 draw sources and at least 10 ramp sources to make gameplay smoother. I tend to have more than 10 sources of each of these, but start with 10. Sources that are repeatable are most important. Some more ramp could be added replacing some of the lesser creatures.

Woodland Chasm and Rimewood Falls are budget lands that Farseek can search for, it can also search for Sunken Hollow. It's nice when 2 mana land ramp can get a dual land rather than just a basic land.

Masked Admirers is draw and it can be repeatable, but it's draw one card the first time for 4 mana and then combined for 6 mana each time after which is very lackluster. Treeshaker Chimera is also draw, but it's also 7 mana who wants to attack and hopefully die to draw, that's too much to draw three cards.

You could expand on the theme of +1/+1 counters with Forgotten Ancient. Who repeatedly puts a counter on itself each time any player casts a spell and then at your upkeep you can move any amount of counters from it to other creatures you control. The act of moving counters is the same as putting the counters on other creatures which triggers Simic Ascendancy.

Good luck with your deck.

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