Forgotten Ancient

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Premodern Legal
Vintage Legal

Forgotten Ancient

Creature — Elemental

Whenever a player casts a spell, you may put a +1/+1 counter on Forgotten Ancient.

At the beginning of your upkeep, you may move any number of +1/+1 counters from Forgotten Ancient onto other creatures.

multimedia on Muldrotha: Budget Elemental Tribe!

1 week ago

Hey, it sucks when opponents gang up on you, Disk and Deed unfortunately have that negative effect. At least you got to see Urza eliminated before you lost :)

If playing Disk and Deed then think of everything else in your deck as expendable, doesn't matter if all your stuff dies because all opponents will too. Muldrotha gives you this flexibility and by adding totem armor effects then Muldrotha can be saved from Disk or Deed if she's enchanted before they pop.

You're slowly removing Elementals making your deck Elementals in flavor, but not much else for the tribe or game play. Risen Reef is the only reason here be Elemental tribal and while it's a good card, it's not good enough to stick to Elementals.

  • Cavalier of Night, Cavalier of Gales, Cavalier of Thorns
  • Risen Reef
  • Mulldrifter, Foundation Breaker, Shriekmaw

These Elementals are good because for what they do there's not other better budget cards that are not an Elemental that could replace them. Playing an Elemental because it's an Elemental instead of a better budget card is not worth it when you don't have much Elemental tribal synergy. Some examples:

Sac outlets are how you can abuse Muldrotha ability with creatures, casting the same creature from your graveyard over many turns. Sac outlets can do more for Muldrotha strategy then some Elementals.


If you're against Eldrazi Titans then consider an exile creature effect because indestructible doesn't stop it and the Titan is gone for good, doesn't ever enter the graveyard after it's removed.

These are three options, Tear is best because kicked it can exile any nonland permanent. Resculpt and Shift are only two mana to exile a creature. The drawback of your opponent getting a creature afterwards is minimal because you'll be removing something much better. Pair any of these instants with Eternal Witness for a repeatable effect with Muldrotha. Either one of these could replace Return to Nature?

Another budget way to deal with an Eldrazi Titan is to it steal from your opponent and then wreck that player with annihilator. Steal a player's Commander and keep control it until Sower is removed. Stealing Sheoldred can be nasty since reanimation is quite good with Muldrotha. Sower is better because with any sac outlet that can sac a creature you can sac your opponent's creature you stole, it dies goes back to that player's graveyard or Command Zone and then you can sac Sower to repeat with Muldrotha. Sower could replace Forgotten Ancient?

Fauna adds a creature toolbox repeatable effect that can also fuel graveyard strategies for Muldrotha. The toolbox can be helpful because you have several creatures who are much better than the others. Fuana is also good with Wonder and Brawn as creatures to discard who want to be in your graveyard. Fauna could replace Icon of Ancestry?

Really consider cutting some basic Forests for more budget dual lands that have interaction with Forests or lots of basic lands? The allied Check lands have been reprinted in latest set Dominaria Remastered, now is the best time to get them since each are down to less than $4.

wallisface on Zalph

1 month ago

Youvegotplasticinyourlungs looks like a very interesting/cool build. The only cards i’m dubious of are Veil of Summer and Harmonize.

Veil of Summer feels weak because it’s doing nothing if your opponent isn’t playing blue or black. Green has loads of more broad protection spells if that’s your intention here - namely Vines of Vastwood or Blossoming Defense.

I’m not convinced with Harmonize because by the time you’re at that much mana, you should be dropping massive creatures, and this feels to me like a waste of a turn when you should be on the offensive. I’d swap this out for either another big creature, or more ramp (or some mix of that).

I guess lastly Hardened Scales feels like its only best on those creatures that add one counter at a time. Your creatures that are doubling counters probably don’t card too much about this card (its just 1 extra counter). I still think Hardened Scales is good here, but wonder if Solidarity of Heroes might provide you a bigger payoff… it’s hard to gauge so might need playtesting.

Personally i’d also drop the Forgotten Ancient so you can run playsets of Kalonian Hydra and Primordial Hydra. The hydras are definitely better, but it also makes your deck Modern legal if that ever mattered to you (personally I think this list looks surprisingly strong for its budget, and would do well against non-tiered decks).

multimedia on Muldrotha: Budget Elemental Tribe!

1 month ago

Hey, just saw your update. Something to think about for gameplay, is it more important to you to have Muldrotha on the battlefield or many Elementals? Having both is asking too much because Muldrotha requires much setup and Elementals don't provide that setup. Muldrotha is a go-tall Commander, but you're playing as go-wide with many small Elementals. This conflict of what Muldrotha wants and what the rest of your deck is doing is most likely hindering gameplay.

Your deck is not built to go-wide with Elementals because you don't have any Elemental tribal lords, anthem effects and no early game Elemental token sources to flood the battlefield with Elementals. Lords are needed to make little Elementals actual good attackers so that you can swarm opponent. You're best attackers other than Muldrotha when it has evasion are the Elementals who can grow themselves. These Elementals are go-tall strategy not go-wide, having a large power/toughness Elemental for an attacker, instead of many little Elementals.

You're not going to like my next suggestions, but now that you've seen that your deck is struggling, some changes could help? My advice is build your deck first to maximize Muldrotha and second add in Elementals after doing so? Cut the weaker Elementals for more Muldrotha synergy especially draw/self-mill, ramp, protection and removal? Just play the better Elementals? I'm not suggesting to change your deck strategies, keep Elementals, +1/+1 counters and proliferate, but tone them down in favor of Muldrotha?


An example of a streamline Elemental base using current Elementals (by CMC):

I left Slitherwisp off the list because you don't have any other cards with flash? Without other cards with flash, Slitherwisp isn't worth a deck spot. Now you could add cards to give spells flash, but even so Muldrotha doesn't work with flash since you can only during your turn cast permanents from your graveyard.

Flash doesn't get around this Muldrotha restriction. You can flash at any point during your turn, but not on opponent's turns which defeats the purpose of flash. Spending your mana in the early turns for ramp, evoke Elementals, self-mill and draw is better to setup Muldrotha then having many Elementals on the battlefield.

Just adding a small package of nonElemental budget creatures that have excellent interaction with Muldrotha and Cavalier of Night could help gameplay.

Dangerwillrobinson79 on Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord

1 month ago

Looks like a fun deck. probably add a few low cost creatures that get big fast so you can sac em and whack everybody. Managorger Hydra , Forgotten Ancient , Champion of Lambholt.

Triton on

5 months ago

Love seeing the SNC legends getting some love. Mr. Orfeo is no exception. It looks a lot like my Ziatora list! Definitely gonna grab some inspiration. :)

One thing I did that you can consider are the Managorger Hydra effects- you get some absolutely massive creatures this way for very cheap! Albeit it takes a turn or two around the table, but I find these super effective in dealing a ton of damage!

Thundering Mightmare, Forgotten Ancient, and Taurean Mauler are all the similar effects to the hydra that I've found so far!

markbeloit on Card creation challenge

5 months ago

Soul of the Ravaged World

Creature - Spirit

Devoid (This card has no color)

Flying

Whenever you cast a spell, put a -1/-1 counter on Soul of the Ravaged World.

At the beginning of your end step, if all permanents you control are colorless, you may move any number of -1/-1 counters from Soul of the Ravaged World onto other creatures.

5/6


Maybe a bit Eldrazi in flavor, but I was going for Phyrexian with the -1/-1 counters. Just wanted it colorless. Sort of a reverse Forgotten Ancient.

Make a dragon with devoid, Eldrazi or otherwise.

king-saproling on

7 months ago

How could you forget Forgotten Ancient??? also Vega, the Watcher seems good here

shadow63 on Lae'Zel Master Chef +1/+1 counters

8 months ago

let me just reiterate your card choices aren't wrong. these suggestions are going to be because maybe we have different play styles or different metas. like i really try to keep my removal as flexible as possible and my +1/+1 counter deck is atraxa . Armorcraft Judge its unreliable and is a bad top deck. Avatar of the Resolute it just doesnt scale well to edh. Custodi Soulbinders paying 3 mana just to make a 1/1 is'nt very exciting. Fertilid ive used this one alot and in my games i almost never used it to ramp it was just a vanilla creature.

Return to Dust is just awkward i much pefer Heliod's Intervention. Ruinous Intrusion 4 mana to blow up 1 artifact or enchantment isn't worth it even if does give you a few counters. Lifecrafter's Bestiary with so few creatures its not great. with more creatures in here it could be great. Celestial Judgment there will be games where it will give you the win but there will be games where someone just has something huge out that this just misses or youll have to blow up more of your own stuff then an opponents Hour of Reckoning this is only good in a token deck.

some replacements creatures. Park Heights Maverick, Loyal Guardian, Forgotten Ancient, Walking Ballista, Pir, Imaginative Rascal, Steelbane Hydra, Evolution Sage, Conclave Mentor. non creatures Hardened Scales, Austere Command, Damning Verdict, Tome of Legends, Coalition Relic, Vastwood Surge

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