Dire Fleet Hoarder
Creature — Human Pirate
When Dire Fleet Hoarder dies (is put into the graveyard from the battlefield), create a colourless Treasure artifact token with " Sacrifice this artifact: Gain one mana of any colour."
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Dire Fleet Hoarder Discussion
3 weeks ago
As a baseline, you'll need to add lands, which I'm sure you know. Since you're making Treasure and Gold tokens in this deck you'd probably be good with roughly 34-36 lands, leaning more to the most mana color you'll need, say like a 25/25/50 split if thats what you're going for.
While I do like Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and Tariel, Reckoner of Souls they have a high mana cost as most good Angels do, while Tariel synergizes well with your strategy she does have that randomness factor and would advise a more reliable and consistent option. Gisela speeds up the game. As a player this is good and accelerates the game, but as an opponent my first priority would be to get rid of Gisela and that paints an even bigger target on your back.
Restoration Angel is fantastic for your edict effects, at face value. You'd need to run flicker effects to really make it shine. Basandra, Battle Seraph seems really good, forcing people to attack is nice and it prevents players from casting anything in combat, however it means instant speed removal will be used before the combat step. This also stops you from casting spells in combat.
As for Human synergy, I really like Teysa Karlov , Thalisse, Reverent Medium , Queen Marchesa , General's Enforcer and Fain, the Broker . All of them work very well with the token strategy, especially Teysa and Thalisse
Things I wouldn't necessarily include are cards like Juri, Master of the Revue (as good as she is with Fling ), General Kudro of Drannith (incidental unless you go all in on the Human tribal strategy), Devout Chaplain (same reason for Kudro), or Dire Fleet Hoarder (basically a one time effect unless you jump through the Teysa hoop, yes it does give you a Treasure token, but at a cost of 2 mana and the creature dying).
As for Demons I really like the Archfiend of Depravity and Rakdos, the Showstopper , their mass sacrifice effects are wonderful, however Rakdos does effect your board heavily unless you play to his synergies, you wouldn't want Negan to die to his effect would you?
-When it comes to your Dragons, I think you hit the nail on the head, nothing I would really change or take out. Allows for Magda, Brazen Outlaw to have a decent outlet if you don't want an artifact.
-Finally, the other things you've got going. Dockside should just be an auto-include, albeit a heavy price tag, but if you can get one you should definitely include it.
Dark Impostor , while mana intensive is still a decent mana sink that can function effectively as targeted removal. Definitely keep your edict creatures, they are super useful and trigger Negan, and thats what you want.
Starnheim Aspirant is useful if you go super heavy into the Angel theme, but if you skimp on the Angel theme this could very often be a dead card.
Storm-Kiln Artist , I like this a lot for this deck, can be a beater, and generates value.
Vault Robber , seems bad, and bad to do. Synergizes with Magda and makes Treasure tokens, but thats really it... PLUS it requires you to have a creature in YOUR grave. I'd cut this, but if you have a reason to play it I'm not seeing immediately play it in your deck.
Viscera Seer , good card, good sac outlet, not much else to say.
Creatures I'd include based on what I've seen: Solemn Simulacrum , Burnished Hart and Mayhem Devil . Some good ramp and a decent damage dealer if you'd like to play a cheap one. Plus the Devil is great at just 3 mana.
Angelic Renewal is basically a one time effect. While good, there are better recursion spells out there, but this one does fit the Angel theme so thats really cool. :D
Aside from that, I think that's a decent spread of enchantments. Nothing to add really, love the inclusion of the Sagas and Revel in Riches .
- Shiny Impetus is good for token generation, but don't play a sacrifice creature to have that player just get rid of it, deceptively good and bad.
The Eldest Reborn is also another good saga to include if you want another edict type effect, and when it does go off you can get what you want from players' graveyards.
The three signets for your colors, Arcane Signet as well.
Panharmonicon to double up on edict effects.
- Approach of the Second Sun : Does provide you an effective way to win, very good card for a deck like this especially if the game goes long.
- Brass's Bounty . Love it, not much else to say.
- Contract Killing fits the theme and the flavor. Love it.
- Damnable Pact is good card draw for you, and useful against someone who flies too close to the sun.
- Debt to the Deathless / Entreat the Angels . While both good, is not something you want to draw into early game or open with. I would highly suggest playing less finisher cards like these, but if you wanna play em don't let me stop you.
- Killing Wave . Love it, super good.
- Necrotic Hex . Expensive, but great effect.
- Excavation Technique is actually a really good spell. Synergizes with Magecraft like WoTC intended and is deceptive for your opponents.
- Increasing Devotion / Finale of Glory . One of these is better than the other. I'll let you decide which is which.
- Heartless Pillage / Seize the Spoils . I really like both of these cards as spells and thematically. They work well for Negan and as spells for you to Pillage and Loot with as you please.
- Ruinous Ultimatum / Tragic Arrogance : Both are fantastic, especially as finisher spells. I'd make a point to include both so you have an option when you're ready to win(IE: Revel in Riches in play with a ton of creatures on board, its akin to vandalblasting with a lettuce on board).
6 months ago
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9 months ago
I know you have a ton of decks, but arcane signet and commanders sphere likely belong in every deck.
36 lands/4 mana rocks seems too high. General rule for me is 35 lands - 1 for every 2-3 mana rocks. This deck also has a low cmc and generates treasures so it seems like you are ~3 lands too high. I would start cutting the 5 color lands and if you bump your cmc up at all, consider adding signets for minimal ramp at the cost of a lands at a 1/3 ratio.
Castle Locthwain - low oppurtunity cost for high value. your deck is half black and this can get you back into a game where you run low on resources
Yawgmoth is a heavy combo card, I dont see a combo for him, he would likely be better in anafenza where you can combo with persist creatures and bolster and all that. the proliferate is powerful, but checkout the options under infect.
Brazen Freebooter Captain Lannery Storm Corsair Captain Dire Fleet Hoarder Pitiless Plunderer Prosperous Pirates Rapacious Dragon Sailor of Means - you already have enough draft chaff in the random infect creatures, revel in riches win is accomplished with a single board clear, or ~2 turns of attacking, they are not required for revel in riches.
If you wanna go revel in riches
Phyrexian Tower - sac outlet and fast mana. see also Westvale Abbey Flip
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch/Anger - lets you attack after a board clear
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed - this may be in another deck for flavor reasons, but basically makes all non humans immortal
Last One Standing - This basically a better damnation in rackdos. This should replace bontus last reckoning or just be an
additional board clear if you wanna go reanimator with mikaeus, hell even Nevinyrral's Disk is better than bontus
Phyrexian Scriptures ^ all those reasons, mild shoutout to Chain Reaction Blasphemous Act Spell Swindle/Storm the Vault Flip/Brass's Bounty any of these will replace all of the draft chaff and free up some card slots
Curse of Opulence - ramps and duh
Hellkite Tyrant - likely in another deck, but consider it
If you wanna go infect
Karn's Bastion - proliferate the counters and infect counters
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Filth - another way to get unblockable. Wonder/Levitation also make blocking hard
Tainted Strike - the best thing about this card, is the fact you can cast it on your opponents creatures. This also combos well with reach creatures like Judith, the Scourge Diva/Syr Konrad, the Grim allowing you to kill your opponents w/o attacking. Does not apply to Blood Artist because life lose does not deal infect damage.
Move Drana, Liberator of Malakir to the mainboard, shes too synergistic to leave behind
Warstorm Surge - deal infect damage without attacking Stalking Vengeance is a worse version
Sword of Truth and Justice - prolly the best sword for this deck.
Bident of Thassa//Coastal Piracy - unblockable means free cards
Open Into Wonder/Mogis's Marauder - moar unblockable
Guildmages' Forum - synergy land
planeswalkers go up a ton with proliferate, Chandra, Flamecaller is a board clear, filter and damage engine. you will pretty much be able to ult Dack Fayden the turn you cast him. Liliana, Dreadhorde General looks amazing in this deck. ulting Lukka, Coppercoat Outcast for the win? just lul
Geode Golem - consider him if you think you need marchesa for the deck to work
Cyclonic Rift - likely in another deck, but another way to go unblockable River's Rebuke/Profaner of the Dead budget options
the vivid lands work with proliferate
Vigean Graftmage - may be better in your twiddle deck, but you can do a number of infinite combos with this card if you wanna go that direction. not very recommended with your current build
11 months ago
Is the creature we are Looping creating mana via treasures or Eldrazi Scions? Dire Fleet Hoarder,Wily Goblin,Carrier Thrall then everytime we loop we are building a stockpile of mana for our future turns.
But we can get more than just value from the creature we are sac'ing oh much much more, how about value from the sac outlet it self? Viscera Seer Start scrying through your deck for your combo pieces ThermopodAshnod's Altar Help you generate more mana for more cards to be cast from hand for multiple card loops Carrion Feeder Keep adding +1/+1's to make a threat that needs to be dealt with before it spirals out of control Spawning Pit why not add more tokens to this to create a potential army of 2/2's that can snap into existence at instant speed? Greater Gargadon How about ticking down a clock to a 9/7 coming to smash your enemies into small digestible pieces?
You think we are done with what value we can get from Looping? not even close, what about other effects that occur when they see cards getting sac'd for greater good of value? Zulaport Cutthroat,Falkenrath Noble,Syr Konrad, the Grim This will start putting pressure on opponent's life totals whenever you sac a creature, or cast in the case of Bontu's and special mention to Syr Konrad as he also does damage when they go back to hand from your yard...oooh that value.
You want card draw? we got it,now its not as clean as blue draw and it does have a distinct smell of decomposing flesh but hey we will take it. Smothering AbominationGrim HaruspexMidnight Reaper even Hazoret's Monument as you do cast in a loop and remember all discard cards will be put back to hand via Garna's ETB.
What all this mana positive and mana neutral creature casts lets us do is frankly more of the same, play multiple creatures a turn to make multiple treasures or make multiple tokens or scry multiple times it all depends on the set up you have at the board at the time but the more creatures to sac the more effects, the more the merrier the bigger the better.
We now have an infinite loop going and this deck can use this in multiple ways to end the game. Refer to the infinite loops section to see all the options
Do we instead haveDesecrated Tomb or any creature that creates tokens as part of our loop? make sure to end the loop with several millions tokens created and stop the loop with Garna in play, all your tokens now have haste.... Good game? This can also be done is a few other more janky ways using Spawning Pit and either Ashnod's AltarPitiless PlundererSifter of SkullsBlood PetCarrier Thrall and clever use sage of sac'ing for counters and then sac'ing for mana ( or just allays sac'ing for counters if Plunderer or Sifter are in play).
1 year ago
Here are the cards in your colors for treasures.
Looks like there's a few you might get some use out of.
Pitiless Plunderer I would advise putting in.
Prying Blade could be useful.
Ruthless Knave Kind of a hefty sac outlet but creates treasures.
Idk if you have or not but if you're wanting a token sub-theme add Anointed Procession
1 year ago
I really like Dire Fleet Neckbreaker as a pirate lord. I'd also recommend taking out Dire Fleet Hoarder for some other high-power card (maybe the aforementioned lord), and Seekers' Squire is questionable as well. I also like Daring Buccaneer as an early play, and March of the Drowned can give you a big late-game boost for just one mana. Dire Fleet Poisoner is also a good combat trick.
I personally think this deck could use less burn/removal, since you really only need so much. 20 cards is excessive. Even removal-heavy decks play less. I think you'll find that high-power cards and fewer removal will give you a more proactive strategy that forces your opponent to react to you.
1 year ago
I don't understand what these cards do for you. Wheel of Fortune Fevered Visions Well of Ideas Zur's Weirding Dire Fleet Hoarder Jace's Archivist Pitiless Plunderer Howling Mine Temple Bell Venser's Journal Revitalize Minds Aglow
Maybe add: Metalworker Voltaic Key Forcefield Ethersworn Canonist Phyrexian Metamorph Karn, Silver Golem Tidehollow Sculler Mindslaver Vault of Whispers Hex Parasite Crawlspace Ancient Den Vedalken Orrery Batterskull Clock of Omens Triskelion Time Sieve Scourglass Stuffy Doll Nim Deathmantle Magister Sphinx Worldslayer Norn's Annex Darksteel Forge Tidehollow Strix Soul Conduit Darksteel Myr Sol Ring War Report Mycosynth Lattice
Oh, and land.
2 years ago
Took out Vedalken Orrery for the recently released God-Eternal Bontu . This deck likes sac outlets because of cards like Dire Fleet Hoarder and Pitiless Plunderer , and since this deck generates so many permanents I can draw a ton of cards.