Doomed Dissenter

Creature — Human

When Doomed Dissenter dies, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.

Discussion (50)

Snips500 on Soul Sisters Machine Gun - Pauper (Update Friday!)

2 months ago

I feel like this is one card away from an infinite combo. Something that says when an opponent loses life you can that much or something. But I don't think a card like that exists at common. But a suggestion for you would be Deathgreeter. The thing that I noticed though is that you have a lot of ways to gain/drain life but no way of making the creatures necessary to do that though. Something to consider would be creatures that when they enter or die makes a token. Something like Doomed Dissenter or cards with afterlife. Although the only playable creature with afterlife is Imperious Oligarch. Other creature that might be good: Doomed Traveler, Lazotep Reaver, Wakedancer, Fourth Bridge Prowler, Fume Spitter, Dusk Legion Zealot.

I would probably cut Epicure of Blood, five mana is just too much, and I would go down to at most 2 Suture Priest. I would even go as far and say cut him because you want more creatures like the ones listed above, this is because you don't really need 12 copies of that effect even if he does a bit more. The main thing this deck wants to do is play out creatures that gain u life which in turn will damage your opponent.

SueMe on Shirei

2 months ago

Yoyoyo ThatOneGuyAI!

I'd start by cutting the low-impact creatures such as:

Tattered Mummy, Shambling Goblin, Serrated Scorpion, Orzhov Enforcer, Myr Sire, Festering Goblin, Doomed Dissenter, and Deathgreeter.

I like your sac-outlets that can protect themselves through Shirei (e.g. Viscera Seer/Thoughtpicker Witch/Fume Spitter), and I'd try to avoid the ones that don't have that particular interaction: Nantuko Husk/Carrion Feeder.

Cards I would add in: Altar of Dementia, Plagued Rusalka, Dark Ritual, Feed the Swarm (enchantment removal in black), Agadeem's Awakening  ^Flip, Kaervek, the Spiteful (allows you to protect Shirei), and Liliana's Steward.

Snips500 on Festerdance: Morbid Obsession

2 months ago

Cool deck but might I suggest Carrion Feeder or Viscera Seer for a more reliable sac outlet and possibly Mortician Beetle or Bloodbriar for some more value. When I goldfished a few times I would draw into a morbid creature but have no way of triggering morbid.

I found that Putrid Leech is just not that good in most situations. Face value you have a 2 mana 2/2 that each turn can become a 4/4 for a price.

4x Festerhide Boar seems like a bit much seeing as its cmc 4. I would include it as a 3 of.

Might I also suggest Cast Down or Vendetta for some more efficient removal (you will get the morbid trigger to matter if your or their creature died)

I also think that the 4x Ash Barrens is too much. Most of the time they will just slow you down. I would go to 2x ash barrens and replace them with a basic of each type.

I would also replace Wakedancer with Doomed Dissenter. Doomed also gets you the two bodies but for less mana and you will have an easier time getting full value.

multimedia on Don't Teysa Me Bro!

3 months ago

Hey, nice budget version of Teysa with Deathmantle and Altar.

Cards to consider adding:

• Scheming Symmetry: great causal tutor, you get something and an opponent of your choice does too.
• Open the Armory: tutor for Skullclamp or Nim Deathmantle, two important cards to have more access too.
• Phyrexian Reclamation: Mystery Booster Set version, repeatable creature recursion.
• Viscera Seer: Core Set 2011 version, one drop sac outlet and scying is helpful.
• Doomed Traveler: one drop who creates a flying token.
• Mirror Entity: Mystery Booster Set version, pump Teysa and tokens. With a lot of tokens and mana this can be a win condition especially with flying tokens.
• Skirsdag High Priest: creates 5/5 Demon tokens and morbid can be triggered on any players turn if any creature died that turn. It's good in multiplayer and with tokens with vigilance.
• Fetid Heath: Double Masters version.
• Silent Clearing
• Shambling Vent

Any game when you have Skullclamp on the battlefield is going to be a better game than if you don't. Adding a few budget tutors that can get Clamp or one of your combo artifacts can be helpful.

Cards to consider cutting:

• 1x Plains
• 1x Swamp
• Temple of the False God: it can't make mana until turn five or after.
• Forsaken Sanctuary
• Orzhov Guildgate
• Final Payment
• Burnished Hart: too slow for ramp and doesn't trigger Teysa when it sacs itself.
• Butcher of Malakir: you have Pact and Dictate, don't also need this seven drop.
• Doomed Dissenter: Traveler is an upgrade because he creates a 1/1 flying token when he dies.
• Vindictive Vampire: the other aristocrats are better.

Good luck with your deck.

azja on Gisa and Geralf Zombies

3 months ago

Creatures:

• cut Doomed Dissenter since it can't be recast with your commander, and there are plenty of 2/2 zombies for 2 which can
• cut Festering Mummy because in commander, most creatures will not die with a couple of -1/-1 counters. Consider keeping it if your opponents play lots of mana dorks such as Llanowar Elves
• cut Ghoulraiser, your commander casts a zombie of your choice from the graveyard anyway
• cut Liliana's Steward, targeted discard is bad in commander. You and the targeted opponent lose a card, but your other two opponents don't.

My suggestions for possible replacements are Cemetery Reaper, Cryptbreaker, Rot Hulk, Sidisi, Undead Vizier and Undead Warchief.

Sorceries:

• cut Increasing Ambition, it simply costs too much mana for the effect in my opinion
• cut Sealed Fate, it's pretty bad unless your opponent just used a Worldly Tutor or something
• cut Shamble Back, you don't want to exile your own creatures, and it's a pretty poor form of graveyard hate.

Suggestions: Demonic Tutor or the budget replacement Diabolic Tutor, Windfall, Night's Whisper, Reanimate and Buried Alive

Instants:

• cut Remove Soul, if you're paying 2 mana for a counterspell, you want it to hit more than just creatures
• cut Spell Snuff, 3 mana counterspells are too expensive
• cut Vile Rebirth for the same reason as Shamble Back

Suggestions: Cyclonic Rift, Entomb, Swan Song, Pull from Tomorrow

Artifacts:

• cut Manalith and Nyx Lotus. When you're in 2 colours, you generally don't want to pay more than 2 mana to ramp. Plus if you ramp on turn 2, you'll have 4 mana on turn 3, allowing you to cast your commander early

Suggestions: I think you're a bit low on ramp, most commander decks want 8-10 ramp pieces. Try Arcane Signet, Dimir Signet, Talisman of Dominance, Fellwar Stone, or Mind Stone.

Enchantments:

• cut Telepathy, it's not worth using a card to see your opponents hand unless you're playing something specific like maybe Sen Triplets.

Suggestions: Animate Dead, Phyrexian Arena, Rhystic Study

Lands:

• For semi-budget 2-colour deck, your mana base looks pretty good. I would just cut Skyline Cascade, having it come in tapped isn't worth it for it's effect in commander. You can probably just play a basic island in its place.

If you want to upgrade your mana base, avoid lands that come in tapped like Dimir Guildgate. A few suggestions would be Command Tower, Choked Estuary, Darkwater Catacombs, Drowned Catacomb, Tainted Isle, Underground River, Watery Grave.

I hope that was helpful! Here's a link to my The Scarab God commander deck which has a pretty similar zombie tribal theme to what you have. Take a look through it and maybe you'll find more cards that I forgot to mention. If you have any questions don't be afraid to ask!

https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-08-19-scarab-god-edh/?cb=1597359288

Buffstu on Garna Combo

4 months ago

Basic Deck Goals

Establish a early game board

This deck is not going to be the fastest out the gate lets get that clear right away and nor is it going to be drawing nervous glances around the table early on as you turn your vast army sideways, but what Basic this can do is put some ever so slight pressure on someone who has decided to play creature-less or is just playing mana dorks as this deck does run a few token creators and can get some beats in on an unprepared opponent...But lets be real most of the time early game we are gonna try and get into a stable mid game, try and not look like the weakest or the strongest at the table and start setting up some of engine pieces and mana to begin looping for value. This means finding sac outlets, mana reducers, mana rocks and draw cards are gonna be part of this phase of the game.

Basic Looping in the midgame

Now once we have enough mana and/or mana reducers to play something from our hand and Garna with a sac out let we are in business next stop value town, we play the card from hand and Sac it then play Garna, responding to Garna's ETB by sac'ing her while her ability is on the stack, then Garna's ETB will resolve and put back to hand both the first card you played from hand ( and any other cards that hit your graveyard this turn) and Garna and that is a basic loop ( What I will refer to as Looping). So now the question is what is the point of all of this Looping?

The Point of Looping (Hint its Value!)

Here is were I will explain what we can do with the basic loop premise to gain value: Is the creature we are casting from hand a token generator? like Weaponcraft Enthusiast or Goblin Instigator or even Doomed Dissenter if we can keep looping these cards then we will end up with more and more tokens to play with.

Is the creature we are Looping creating mana via treasures or Eldrazi Scions? Dire Fleet Hoarder,Wily Goblin,Carrier Thrall then everytime we loop we are building a stockpile of mana for our future turns.

How about more cards? Dusk Legion Zealot,Phyrexian Rager

But we can get more than just value from the creature we are sac'ing oh much much more, how about value from the sac outlet it self? Viscera Seer Start scrying through your deck for your combo pieces ThermopodAshnod's Altar Help you generate more mana for more cards to be cast from hand for multiple card loops Carrion Feeder Keep adding +1/+1's to make a threat that needs to be dealt with before it spirals out of control Spawning Pit why not add more tokens to this to create a potential army of 2/2's that can snap into existence at instant speed? Greater Gargadon How about ticking down a clock to a 9/7 coming to smash your enemies into small digestible pieces?

You think we are done with what value we can get from Looping? not even close, what about other effects that occur when they see cards getting sac'd for greater good of value? Zulaport Cutthroat,Falkenrath Noble,Syr Konrad, the Grim This will start putting pressure on opponent's life totals whenever you sac a creature, or cast in the case of Bontu's and special mention to Syr Konrad as he also does damage when they go back to hand from your yard...oooh that value.

You want card draw? we got it,now its not as clean as blue draw and it does have a distinct smell of decomposing flesh but hey we will take it. Smothering AbominationGrim HaruspexMidnight Reaper even Hazoret's Monument as you do cast in a loop and remember all discard cards will be put back to hand via Garna's ETB.

Mana? Sifter of Skulls,Pitiless Plunderer we got you covered

Bigger is always better

You might be wondering with all this value being gained from sac'ing creatures what could we do to sac more of our own creatures per turn? I like your thinking and that's why we have multiple creatures that replace themselves mana wise. Cards like Priest of Gixor Priest of Urabrask or Cathodion even Overeager Apprentice and Bog Witch ( remember we will get the discarded card back via Garna's ETB) the fact that Garna gives haste also allows Basal Thrull and Generator Servant to be able to activate their abilities the turn they come down as long as you do it when Garna is in play and therefore you are probably doing it in response to her ETB as your about to sac her to get her to go to your hand.

What all this mana positive and mana neutral creature casts lets us do is frankly more of the same, play multiple creatures a turn to make multiple treasures or make multiple tokens or scry multiple times it all depends on the set up you have at the board at the time but the more creatures to sac the more effects, the more the merrier the bigger the better.

How do you win the game?

So its gotten to the later stages of the game, hopefully we find our selves in value town but how do we actually win? Well this deck has a few options for you to choose depending on what cards end up in your hand.

Deathrender

DeathrenderThis is the Big daddy of the combo's we have, so big in fact that Hoarding Dragon is here mainly just to get this card in our hand and to be honest so is Dimir House Guard. The combo starts like this: Deathrender on the field and attached to any creature, a sac outlet and enough mana to cast Garna we start by sac'ing the creature attached to Deathrender and then we put another creature from our hand onto it, repeat until all creatures are out of hand, then sac the last creature and flash in Garna in response to the deathrender trigger on the stack, and then respond to this by sac'ing Garna, now Garna's ability will be on the stack and resolve and get back every card that hit your graveyard this turn, including herself. Now resolve the Deathrenders ability and well now you have a full hand of creatures ready to be sac'ed so pick one of them to be attached and begin the deathrender sac fest all over again and this is an infinite loop since you can keep getting Garna's ETB from deathrender. An important thing to note is that when getting Garna to the battlefield via the Deathrender ability is to make sure there is allays at least one other creature in hand when you put Garna to the battlefeild, since the way the ability's will stack is that the deathrender ability will pull something out ( that being Garna in this case) then that will trigger any ETB's and we will respond to that by sac’ing Garna, this will trigger the deathrender trigger and this will occur BEFORE we can refill our hand with Garna's ETB, so we just need one creature in hand to be pulled onto Deathrender and then everything will go back to hand and we can keep sac'ing and looping infinity.

We now have an infinite loop going and this deck can use this in multiple ways to end the game. Refer to the infinite loops section to see all the options

The worse way to go infinite

You have seen the best now lets get on to the rest, another combo that has far more hoops for the same payoff. It begins with Zombie Infestation in play and at least 4 creature cards in hand, with a Pitiless Plunderer in play, and just a smidge of mana reduction in play, actually you need at least 3 total mana cost reduction for specifically Garna, oh and a sac outlet, got all that? good then lets gooo So now we discard all 4 creatures with zombie infestation, creating 2 zombie tokens, don't get too attached as we immediately sack them via our sac outlet and create a black and a red mana via Pitiless Plunderer now with a black and a red mana and our mana cost reducerd Garna is free to cast! so we play her and sac her as her ETB is on the stack and get all 4 creatures that we discarded and Garna back to hand to begin the Loop again.

Ending the game with Infinate Loops

So we have found yourself in an infinite loop via the methods above^^ how do we win?

Do we have Zulaport Cutthroat,Falkenrath Noble,Syr Konrad, the Grim any of these with an infinite loop will end the game

Do we instead haveDesecrated Tomb or any creature that creates tokens as part of our loop? make sure to end the loop with several millions tokens created and stop the loop with Garna in play, all your tokens now have haste.... Good game? This can also be done is a few other more janky ways using Spawning Pit and either Ashnod's AltarPitiless PlundererSifter of SkullsBlood PetCarrier Thrall and clever use sage of sac'ing for counters and then sac'ing for mana ( or just allays sac'ing for counters if Plunderer or Sifter are in play).

Eloniel on Necronomicon | Teysa Karlov | Primer

6 months ago

Garrison cat is similar to Doomed Traveler and Hunted Witness, with Teysa on the battlefield they give 3 death triggers for only 1 mana. They are the "best" card that give 3 death triggers, the others ones cost 2 mana (Orzhov Enforcer, Doomed Dissenter, Tithe Taker, Carrier Thrall, Imperious Oligarch) you could argue about the purpose of token flying, deathtouch, 2/2 but from a cost for deathtrigger perspective it's strickly better.

KibaAlpha on Teysa Karlov’s Double D's

11 months ago

Out

Warteye Witch , Martyr of Dusk & Doomed Dissenter

In

Tenacious Dead , Gutterbones & Relentless Dead

AVG CMC has been decreased from 2.60 to 2.55.