Hoarding Dragon

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Freeform Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Pre-release Legal
PreDH Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Standard Legal
Standard Brawl Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Hoarding Dragon

Creature — Dragon

Flying

When this enters, you may search your library for an artifact card, exile it, then shuffle.

When this dies, you may put the exiled card into its owner's hand.

psionictemplar on The Purple-Dragon-Punk Ritual

7 months ago

Ultimately, both Blood Moon and Blood Sun would do the same thing for your deck in letting your lands come in untapped. The ability removal blood sun gives will likely only be relevant in niche situations whereas the Blood Moon can slow your opponents down more often and is probably more useful overall though. But given the number of tapped lands you have, getting either one into play is fairly important to keep up tempo-wise with other strategies, hence my suggestion of including both and additional rituals to get there faster.

If I were to make additional changes here is what I try and why.

-1 Bitter Reunion: Going for the multi-dragon haste kill will be hard because you will need to cast several spells in a turn to make this go from a 2 turn kill to a 1 turn kill combo. Without having a large amount of mana production to fuel this, it will be very difficult.

-1 Indomitable Creativity: The more creatures and artifacts you run, the greater the chances that you will end up a result that isn't what you want. Decks that are built around creativity usually only run 1 or 2 different creatures/artifacts to always ensure that they hit the things they want. As it stands right now, that is not a guarantee with 18 possible cards you could change into.

-2 Xorn: Your only treasure producers are Strike it Rich and There and Back Again which won't give you many chances to make additional treasures. Ask yourself this question, if I get an additional treasure from There and Back Again what is that 1 additional treasure really going to do for me that the other 14 couldn't do already? If the answer is nothing really, do you need There and Back Again? If not, that would only leave Strike it Rich, and that isn't enough to justify running Xorn for.

-1 Bloodthirsty Conqueror: I really don't understand why you've included this. It doesn't really do much that another dragon such as Hoarding Dragon or Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge couldn't do. It doesn't find any other win condition and the psuedo-lifelink effect doesn't really line up with either of your plans to hit with huge amounts of damage in a single turn. Not to mention that casting it depends on having either multiple treasures or a Manamorphose for the black mana portion of it. I really feel like this is a card that will either get stuck in your hand or would be equally effective as any other big red creature which makes it replaceable from my viewpoint.

-1 There and Back Again: By the time you get to 5 mana to cast this you should probably have already presented a way to win the game with. Having to wait an additional turn to get the single mountain out of your deck can be done both cheaper and faster and that's IF! you need the mountain in your deck at all. I don't blame you for having it if you see a lot of Ghost Quarter type effects and it isn't likely to prevent a Goblin Charbelcher activation from winning the game outright. Then you finally have to look at chapter 3's ability which I touched on a bit in the Xorn section.

-1 Irencrag Feat: I've run 4 of these and they get stuck in hand way too often between the inability to cast multiple in a turn (for future spells) and the 4 mana cost itself. Going down to 3 copies will help prevent having redundant copies in hand and freeing up space for other things.

Additions: +4 Desperate Ritual: Probably the best 2 mana ramp spell you could have especially if you can manage to splice additional copies onto it. (Just a piece of rules advice for understanding: Ruby Medallion will only reduce the cost of the original copy but not any of the copies that are spliced on to it.)

+3 Blood Moon: Primarily here as an additional way to help your lands come in untapped without you needing to pay life.

I think that once you try these suggestions out, you'll like them. However, this is your deck and you do whatever you want with it. Good luck and if you have any more questions or want me to try and explain my reasonings a little bit more I'll try to help you the best I can.

psionictemplar on The Purple-Dragon-Punk Ritual

7 months ago

Ultimately, both Blood Moon and Blood Sun would do the same thing for your deck in letting your lands come in untapped. The ability removal blood sun gives will likely only be relevant in niche situations whereas the Blood Moon can slow your opponents down more often and is probably more useful overall though. But given the number of tapped lands you have, getting either one into play is fairly important to keep up tempo-wise with other strategies, hence my suggestion of including both and additional rituals to get there faster.

If I were to make additional changes here is what I try and why.

-1 Bitter Reunion: Going for the multi-dragon haste kill will be hard because you will need to cast several spells in a turn to make this go from a 2 turn kill to a 1 turn kill combo. Without having a large amount of mana production to fuel this, it will be very difficult.

-1 Indomitable Creativity: The more creatures and artifacts you run, the greater the chances that you will end up a result that isn't what you want. Decks that are built around creativity usually only run 1 or 2 different creatures/artifacts to always ensure that they hit the things they want. As it stands right now, that is not a guarantee with 18 possible cards you could change into.

-2 Xorn: Your only treasure producers are Strike it Rich and There and Back Again which won't give you many chances to make additional treasures. Ask yourself this question, if I get an additional treasure from There and Back Again what is that 1 additional treasure really going to do for me that the other 14 couldn't do already? If the answer is nothing really, do you need There and Back Again? If not, that would only leave Strike it Rich, and that isn't enough to justify running Xorn for.

-1 Bloodthirsty Conqueror: I really don't understand why you've included this. It doesn't really do much that another dragon such as Hoarding Dragon or Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge couldn't do. It doesn't find any other win condition and the psuedo-lifelink effect doesn't really line up with either of your plans to hit with huge amounts of damage in a single turn. Not to mention that casting it depends on having either multiple treasures or a Manamorphose for the black mana portion of it. I really feel like this is a card that will either get stuck in your hand or would be equally effective as any other big red creature which makes it replaceable from my viewpoint.

-1 There and Back Again: By the time you get to 5 mana to cast this you should probably have already presented a way to win the game with. Having to wait an additional turn to get the single mountain out of your deck can be done both cheaper and faster and that's IF! you need the mountain in your deck at all. I don't blame you for having it if you see a lot of Ghost Quarter type effects and it isn't likely to prevent a Goblin Charbelcher activation from winning the game outright. Then you finally have to look at chapter 3's ability which I touched on a bit in the Xorn section.

-1 Irencrag Feat: I've run 4 of these and they get stuck in hand way too often between the inability to cast multiple in a turn (for future spells) and the 4 mana cost itself. Going down to 3 copies will help prevent having redundant copies in hand and freeing up space for other things.

Additions: +4 Desperate Ritual: Probably the best 2 mana ramp spell you could have especially if you can manage to splice additional copies onto it. (Just a piece of rules advice for understanding: Ruby Medallion will only reduce the cost of the original copy but not any of the copies that are spliced on to it.)

+3 Blood Moon: Primarily here as an additional way to help your lands come in untapped without you needing to pay life.

I think that once you try these suggestions out, you'll like them. However, this is your deck and you do whatever you want with it. Good luck and if you have any more questions or want me to try and explain my reasonings a little bit more I'll try to help you the best I can.

king-saproling on Momo: Twice the horns, twice the fun

3 years ago

Sure! I suppose you could run Tiller Engine or Bomat Courier as a secondary target. Walking Atlas is possibly the strongest card in the deck so I think having ways to find it would be valuable.

Maybe you're right though, maybe Recombiner wouldn't fit in this iteration of Moraug. I could see an artifact-combo-based Moraug list being cool though. Like it could go infinite using things like Great Furnace + Goblin Welder, or Salvaging Station + Darksteel Citadel + stuff, and tutors like Recombiner, Goblin Engineer, Gamble, Hoarding Dragon, Inventors' Fair, Moonsilver Key, Goblin Matron, etc. Lots of constructs that'd fit the strat too like Salvager of Ruin, Scrap Trawler, Workshop Assistant. Sorry got way off topic haha

zretrareo27 on RW EDH Brion 2022

4 years ago

My 2016 EDH deck - revamped for 2022! use commander Brion Stoutarm to Fling your opponents creatures with cards like Act of Treason, and if you're lucky - use Bazaar Trader to keep them!

I've tried to keep this deck nearly 50% White and 50% Red.

I've narrowed the premise of this deck down to the following categories, 50 Cards to the first, and 10 cards to each other category, give or take.

50% of the Deck is the Commander, Land, Mana rocks, and Draw.
10% is Steal/Keep
10% is Removal/Wipe
10% is Bringing Cards Back
10% is Brion Fodder and Fetch cards
10% is Double Damage and Powerful Flyers

Your comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated. That being said, I will probably not be able to afford the more expensive cards Land Tax, Smothering Tithe, Lifeline, Smuggler's Share etc. that are not already in this deck. However - It's still fun to check them out! If you like it, up vote!


With this revision, I've cut many of the fancier, slower dual lands to opt for faster basic lands. I've also added Weathered Wayfarer.

I've removed cards that target artifacts and enchantments like Kami of Ancient Law, instead opting for better utility cards like Quarantine Field that target "nonland permanent".

I've made some recent changes to this deck, hopefully to address that mid game I am struggling with tempo, as well as running out of mana to cast the creature or steal spell and have enough to activate Brion's ability. Some cards like Deathrender and Thornbite Staff have been removed (even though they were good in concept) to add more playability.

I also found that after all the sacrificing, mid game I was running out of defense, so some additional creatures have been added with dual purpose, such as Angel of Sanctions and Emeria Shepherd.


Decksplanation:

Double Damage:
Fiery Emancipation gives me triple damage. Calamity Bearer works specifically to Brion's sac ability. Angrath's Marauders, Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, Gratuitous Violence all make the damage I do twice as effective.
When creatures I steal die, Stalking Vengeance beefs them. When I summon large creatures into play Warstorm Surge deals damage to my opponent, and when I sac those, Stalking Vengeance hits them on the way out.


Fodder:

Malignus, Serra Avatar, and Soul of Eternity all act as giant bombs to throw at the opponent.
Hofri Ghostforge allows for me to steal an opponents creature, fling it at them with brion, and then keep a spirit copy of that creature.


Draw:
Magus of the Wheel and Reforge the Soul provide the opportunity to get a fresh hand at my whim. Humble Defector is an easy and fun, card that helps me forge alliances with other players in multiplayer while getting me TWO extra cards per turn.
Skullclamp works perfect with the sacrifice ability and is easy to cast.
Well of Lost Dreams is insane when played late game for Brion's lifelink ability and can be fetched with Hoarding Dragon or Open the Armory Sin Prodder gives me a potential extra card per turn, or the chance for an opponent to take damage to the face... and then I can pull it out of my graveyard later with my other cards! Basically a win/win. Mangara, the Diplomat and Mila, Crafty Companion  Flip serve to deter attacks and draw.


Fetch:
Hoarding Dragon serves as a flyer, a sacrifice, and can grab any rocks, Skullclamp, or Well of Lost Dreams.
Open the Armory helps grab Skullclamp, Well of Lost Dreams, or Gift of Immortality.
Recruiter of the Guard is specifically to get Bazaar Trader for the huge advantage of keeping my opponents things, but can also grab Duergar Hedge-Mage for removal or Sin Prodder (amongst a few others). Weathered Wayfarer can grab any land, such as Buried Ruin or Arcane Lighthouse.


Mana Rocks:

Boros Cluestone, Commander's Sphere, and Mind Stone are all serving as early ramp and later card draw.
Sol Ring because Sol Ring.


Removal:

Archon of Justice is quite powerful in this deck, as it allows for a flying creature, then a source to sac, and remove a card permanently.
Angel of Serenity gives me the option of 3 recursion or 3 removal.
Duergar Hedge-Mage can be played and replayed in this deck for knocking off annoying enchantments or mana rocks.
Magus of the Disk is one of the board wipes.
Grasp of Fate, Oblivion Ring, and Banishing Light all allow for really flexible removal. Same for Quarantine Field except allows for extra targets for more mana. Chained to the Rocks works the same, but only for creatures. Angel of Sanctions works similarly, but is a creature. Ryusei, the Falling Star really just acts as weenie removal and a sac source from a flyer.


Bringing them Back (and sometimes keep it!):

Adarkar Valkyrie Sac an opponents creature, then get it permanently!
Bazaar Trader Take it with a steal and keep it!
Angelic Renewal Sac my own creature, get it back! Gift of Immortality Sac my own creature, get it back... again, and again!
Emeria Shepherd play a land, get a card! Play a Plains, get a creature to sac!
Mistmoon Griffin Flys, defends, and sac-able, then get back a creature from the graveyard!
Squee's Embrace fun and easy to play, and retrievable with Tragic Poet.
Tragic Poet, a low mana cost creature to get any enchantment in my deck back for any reason. Fun with Squee's Embrace, Angelic Renewal, etc. Returned Pastcaller a flyer that lets me grab a Threaten or Breath of Life. Angel of Serenity gives me the option of 3 recursion or 3 removal.


Stealing their Creatures:

Captivating Crew steals every turn! No wasted card space here, just a reusable sorcery.
Conquering Manticore powerful flyer, that steals!
Zealous Conscripts You can steal anything! Anything! Lands? Mine. Artifacts? Mine. Works great with Bazaar Trader.
Act of Treason, Portent of Betrayal, and Threaten are all basic steal spells.
Malevolent Whispers, Mark of Mutiny, and Traitorous Instinct all give me steal with buffs for Flinging.
Harness by Force allows for more than one thing to be taken if the extra cost is paid!


Powerful Creatures:

I'll be the first to admit, these don't reallllly fit in with the deck. But they're so awesome it's hard to remove. Akroma, Angel of Fury
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Aurelia, the Warleader

Rhadamanthus on 32 Sustainable Spells to Burn Body Fat

4 years ago

I think leaning even more into the "utility" side of searching up dragons would be a good idea. I see you already have Knollspine Dragon in the Maybeboard, which I definitely agree with. I would also recommend Thunder Dragon and Bogardan Hellkite for removal (maybe even Lava-Field Overlord if you need more), as well as Hoarding Dragon to dig up your Thrumming Stone or Spellweaver Helix. Astral Dragon could also do some funny stuff in the right circumstances.

I feel like Dragon Tempest and Anger are only actually good with Ancient Copper Dragon and Ancient Silver Dragon. If you ever take those dragons out, then I think those haste enablers can also come out to make way for more useful cards.

Quickspell on Syr Carah, the Bold Dragon's Approach

4 years ago

zach3584 Dragon's Approach triggers Carah for each opponent, is that correct? So one DA will cause her to exile three cards?

user:Wotanubisreturned How do you ensure that Hoarding Dragon dies? Your opponents will see Thrumming Stone in exile and surely block or it with a smaller creature until they can Path to Exile it, don't they?

Ardees on Zirilan Red Passion

4 years ago

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