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Mox Amber Discussion
4 hours ago
Rahvin_dom on ZOa
1 day ago
It sounds like you want to:
- Slow down opponents' ability to cast spells, which forces opponents to keep cards in hand
- Force opponents to discard, limiting their options
- Use discard triggers to punish opponents
This sounds like it can work with Bolas. The risk I'd point out is with the discard punishers, specifically ones like Megrim and Liliana's Caress. They can be a little fragile - once the opponent no longer has any cards, you stop getting triggers. They're nice incidental damage and can add up, but you can't rely on them to actually close out the game. Bolas is also not ideally suited to the stax plan - he doesn't inherently break symmetry, so there are much better options for hard stax.
Wheels that discard are going to be excellent for you, getting a ton of discard triggers. Ignore wheels that shuffle and then draw without discarding.
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur would be a pretty amazing, synergistic reanimation target. You should definitely run some reanimation effects if you plan to force opponents to discard - you can grab tasty targets from your own deck or theirs. Reanimate, Animate Dead, Necromancy, Dance of the Dead are a good start.
Back to Basics doesn;t stop you from using your own fetches (even budget slow-fetches) since you only use those once - they don;t need to untap. Blood Moon works, and it sets your nonbasics to one of your actual colors, but it also turns all your fetches into Mountains. Watch out for that.
I'd also look at Ruination. It's MLD...but it only blows up non-basic lands. It's exactly what you're doing with the enchantments, but with removal.
You already seem to know the mana rock drill from your Nekusar deck. You want to lean heavily on the mana rocks - all of the 2CMC signets/talismans/Fellwar Stone. Fellwar is going to get much less useful once you land Bloood Moon though. Star Compass is useful since you'll be loading heavily on basic lands. Coldsteel Heart is useful to plug a specific color hole. Obviously Sol Ring. You're going to be looking for color fixing more than anything, so Chromatic Lantern is worth the extra mana, and any Mox you can afford are worthwhile (except Mox Amber, that one's less useful).
You need land fetching. Grixis Panorama is normally not a recommendation, but it can find any of your three colors, not just two, and you're already basically excluding fetchable duals with the stax effects. Journeyer's Kite and Thaumatic Compass Flip, Armillary Sphere, Pilgrim's Eye, Skittering Surveyor, Solemn Simulacrum, Sword of the Animist, Wayfarer's Bauble are all at least playable. The ETB creatures are useful if you plan to abuse Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip's ETB effect - you can use blink effects and Panharmonicon to get extra triggers.
Blood Moon and Back to Basics are great, but they likely are not enough to consistently slow opponents enough to be wroth all of this workaround by themselves. Even Ruination doesn't add enough. Unfortunately Grixis doesn;t have any of the neat land-untap triggers like Nature's Will or Seedborn Muse - if it did, you could abuse things like Stasis and Rising Waters and Static Orb more easily. Still, you could support Winter Orb with enough mana rocks. Be sure to run good one-sided artifact removal like Vandalblast to keep opponents from using their own rocks.
And of course Omniscience can let you blow up all the artifacts and lands and still play what you want. You'll be running a ton of rocks anyway, which could ramp you into it fairly early.
The big thing, though, is how you want to win. Stax doesn;t work super well on its own - you need to be using stax to slow your opponents down so that you can pull off your own win condition. Do you have any ideas on how youd like to win, even if just generally? Combat, combos, punisher effects like Megrim, mill, etc?
1 week ago
hkhssweiss Thanks for the helpful suggestions! I feel like I can include many of these. Some of them I had considered previously, like Flagstones of Trokair, Gaddock Teeg and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, but ultimately took them out for price reasons. When Dominaria released, Mox Amber was absurdly overpriced, but now seems like a reasonable upgrade. I overlooked Mistveil Plains when building, and seems like great recursion for the deck. I had Selvala, Heart of the Wilds in the deck, but later removed it for another commander deck, and buying another copy was too expensive.
Over time, I believe I will put more money into the deck by buying more expensive upgrades. I will definitely take all of these into consideration, thanks for your time.
1 week ago
mrblue424 Have you ever considered running Gaddock Teeg as a way to stop your opponents? You won't be able to cast like 8 of your spells, but it would hold your oppponents more back than you. Some other legendary lands that could be included is Flagstones of Trokair as an untapped plains or Mistveil Plains to reshuffle your legendary cards from your grave into your library. I also feel like Selvala, Heart of the Wilds does well to break parity as you will most likely be guaranteed to have a bigger presence with your tutoring online. Another one would also be Thalia, Guardian of Thraben as a majority of your deck is creatures. Mox Amber is also great ramp that is tutorable and will almost always be active!
Hope that helps!
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
First off, a big apologies for the delay in getting back into this comments section. Work got the better of me for a week and I've hardly had the time to get on here! Thank you all so much though for pitching in :) It's beyond appreciated!
I'll address each of you individually in here as well, but as a bit of general information, v1.1 of the deck is only incorporating changes from hkhssweiss as his suggested cards were the only cards I was able to get my hands on before the work rush. I do have some from other user's suggestions, but I wanted to get my hands on all suggested cards, not just the few I had.
Thankfully, I do now have a decent amount of spare time on my hands and will be visiting my LGS to purchase and try out all card suggestions within the next couple of days.
@MillersEdge - Wow, dude, what an effort you put into that, thank you ever so much! It's quite clear you know your stuff :)
Regarding ramp, I can certainly appreciate your observation. The lack of mana rocks in this deck is definitely a big thing. I really like the idea of Coalition Relic, Astral Cornucopia and Everflowing Chalice and believe all 3 of these will make it into v1.2. Forest retrieval cards are nice but can become dud draws fairly quickly in the game. I've added both Nature's Lore and Three Visits to the MaybeBoard anyway and will play-test with them as well. I want to get both Birds of Paradise and Noble Hierarch in somehow too.
Phyrexian Scriptures has also made it onto the MaybeBoard. It's certainly an eye-catcher with all 3 abilities having relevance, and I do like the idea of Saga's (never played them before). In saying that, one of the common players at my playgroup has both a Sharuum the Hegemon deck and a Breya, Etherium Shaper deck. We'll see how it goes.
In terms of the prison related cards, I'm actually probably going to move away from this plan, as to do it effectively you do seem to dedicate a large amount of slots. However, Spike Weaver genuinely looks amazing. I've no doubts that he'll see some MainBoard action in the future.
Privileged Position is currently in for a late game pillow fort strat involving Privileged Position, Sterling Grove and Avacyn, Angel of Hope. To be honest though, the three of these cards might be swapped later for others anyway as they really only hold relevance to themselves. Or I'll simply add Shalai, Voice of Plenty as well as Privileged Position as quite a few other users are also recommending it. Armageddon is hated at my playgroup, but I don't mind being 'that-guy' every so-often ;) I'll play test it this week and see what the general reaction is.
The walkers got a pretty big shuffle around since you might have last seen the deck, but I do see the relevance of Tezzeret the Seeker and Garruk Wildspeaker. Tezzeret the Seeker could come in handy if I can increase my mana rock amount, and I think I prefer the idea of him over Garruk Wildspeaker. Will get back to you with results.
Leyline of Anticipation has landed in the MaybeBoard with high chances of being MainBoarded. I genuinely forgot all about this badboy!
Really really like the idea of Nexus of Fate, looking forward to seeing what sort of shenanigans I might be able to pull off with that. Savor the Moment is definitely competitive, but the late game appeal of Nexus of Fate is striking me more.
I'll definitely jump onto your list as well and have a fish around :) As well as throwing in my own 2 cents! Thanks again.
@Aragon_Neotrix - Thank you! Definitely hearing you regarding proliferate-able targets. I'm hoping to improve on that in the next iteration with counter based mana rocks etc.
Aetherworks Marvel is amazing, hardly surprising it was banned in standard eh?! I did admittedly forget about energy and experience counters. I'm sure this is going to make it onto the MainBoard.
I'll take a closer look over your own version over the next day or two for some more proliferation ideas, and will throw in any suggestions I have myself :)
@ManSauce - Man, every suggestion here is on point. Thank you so much!
Captain Sisay is a card that wouldn't have occurred to me. Very likely become one of the main tutors in the deck. Mox Amber and Noble Hierarch - Yep. Definitely keen on both. Ramp is becoming the main concern of the next update.
Plaxcaster Frogling is another one that I don't think I ever would have found. Interested to see how I can use it. Shalai, Voice of Plenty has received a few recommendations now. I'll be likely to find a spot for this too. Llanowar Reborn could pretty much be an auto-include.
I've jumped onto your profile and bookmarked your own version to go over in more depth. Thanks heaps for the suggestions :)
@Jimmy_Chinchila Man I've been spamming Search for Azcanta Flip in Magic Arena lately and for whatever reason it didn't even occur to me here! Thalia's Lancers is indeed solid but I think it might lack by comparison to some other tutors. Regardless it's been added to play testing.
Forgive me for the bulk of cards sitting in the MaybeBoard, my worst ability is choosing what has to come out! Aha. As mentioned earlier though, I've setup a large chunk of time to go through all current suggestions over the next couple of days and look forwards to coming back to cull the list :)
Thanks heaps for the suggestions, I've also bookmarked yours to go over in more depth!
@hkhssweiss - You're more than welcome my man! :) Thanks heaps for coming back again! Aha.
Not to worry regarding the planeswalker suggestions. I may be a little rash with my initial judgement of Vraska, Golgari Queen but admittedly the current objective has me focused on getting other utility spells in over planeswalkers.
Assassin's Trophy is amazing. I'd expect to see this in just about every G/B deck moving forward! Likely to make it in, just need to allocate a spot. Djeru, With Eyes Open is definitely one I hadn't seen before! His second ability might just make him a prime tutor candidate. Windgrace's Judgment is also phenomenal. Most of my games have 5+ people making this awfully attractive.
Shalai, Voice of Plenty has popped up 3 times now making her impossible to ignore! xD Pir, Imaginative Rascal is beyond amazing and as the more important part of Doubling Season is almost guaranteed a spot.
Thanks heaps yet again my dude! I do more than appreciate you sticking around :)
Ty all! Now to testing, woo!
2 weeks ago
I run a very similar build to this at my local FNM !!!!
2 weeks ago
@SFCD - Not once have I used Wall of Souls, so it would be one of the first cuts. I want to get a win with it on the channel first though, maybe by blocking a big eldrazi? Mox Amber I’m intrigued by, as it would only work when Lazav’s in play. But it’s just free mana otherwise. Shizo, Death's Storehouse is a great include, I’ll definitely add that one.