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As long as Winter Orb is untapped, players can't untap more than one land during their untap steps.
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Winter Orb Discussion
59 minutes ago
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4 days ago
5 days ago
Thanks for the suggestions Joumba and the like! Both Pyrohemia and Fiery Confluence were in my considerations, but I decided to cut them.Fiery Confluence I am still considering due to its flexibility, but I am now straying from enchantments and leaning towards instants and sorceries because they have more synergy with cards such as Past in Flames, Mystic Retrieval, and Kess, Dissident Mage. Because I'm investing in cards to fill my graveyard, running into opportunities to recast Reanimate or Stitch Together into Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite or like become much more relevant. Whereas, the only way to recur my enchantments is Open the Vaults. That being said, I am considering taking out Open the Vaults and Marshal's Anthem for a few other cards.Two being Winter Orb because I rely heavily on artifact ramp so it shouldn't hurt me as bad as the rest of my opponents and Mesmeric Orb to help with milling myself.Also, considering Armageddon. A little spiky (and I know this deck is essentially built to do the same thing, but I feel because I'm taking a longer route to get there, it's not as bad :p)
Also, I really like Yamabushi's Storm. I may consider this in the build, however, atm in my meta I am the only one who owns a Crucible of Worlds. If they eventually get one, I probably will throw this in there. One thing to note though, if my combo is in action, and I have an Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite out, my opponents wont be able to play lands because they will die as they etb.
1 week ago
@Megalomania: Thanks for the advice!
I really like Portcullis & Duplicant in this deck so I don't think I would want Torpor Orb in here. Stasis might be really good! I would need more bounce to make it work and it wouldn't have hexproof without Liquimetal Coating, but it is another Winter Orb to make it more consistent.
Helm of Awakening is really good and I would definitely think about including it, Sensei's Divining Top also, but I'm really not sure about Future Sight. This deck really can't be giving away too much info about itself to the enemy before it locks up the board or it becomes a target when a prison piece shows up.
1 week ago
A faster clock should help solve a lot of your problems! And based on what you said, I think you'll be well on your way to outpacing them per the suggestions above.
Spell-based mill like this usually falls flat without big mana, and big mana is usually very weak to one-off targeted removal (because it leans on mana doublers, big mana rocks, etc). A few well-placed removal spells (Nature's Claim, Abrupt Decay) paired with Null Rod and Phyrexian Revoker (naming a key mana-producing piece so they can't tap for mana) could really put them off their game. These kind of decks usually rely on momentum to win so if you can crush a key piece of the plan, it should put you in good waters. Looking at the example you gave - Crypt Ghast + Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth are fantastic if they can all be assembled together, but that usually requires a number of turns and a lot of investment (tutors) on your opponent's part. Then, if you can snipe the Crypt Ghast with a single 1-cmc Dismember, that really shuts down a huge part of their mana production (CC + Urborg alone don't make huge mana until the land counts get higher)
Personally I think that if you can get your speed/tempo up and increase your density of targeted removal, you will solve a lot of problems before they actually become problems. So, you don't have to deal with the Mind Grind directly - you can just gut their ramp strategy to make the Mind Grind a non-viable play in the first place.
Since it's easy to miss, note that Null Rod completely shuts off mana rocks, because they have "Tap" as an activation cost. So landing a fast Null Rod can totally blow out entire mana ramp strategies. I spend my first fast tutor on Null Rod in probably 30-50% of my games just because it's so strong at shutting down artifact-based ramp and combo. Then, if you can land a Winter Orb shortly thereafter (with mana dorks on the board), you're well on your way to locking everything down.
Keep us updated on how things go!
1 week ago
It would also work well with untapping some of your mana rocks and keeping trinisphere from hurting you.
1 week ago
@MTGplayer00 Yah, I agree. I love unique cards like Hopes and needed to hear it out loud that it's not competitive. Anyway, I think I have enough counterspells and decided to add Winter Orb in place of Hopes because I think this deck needs more stax
1 week ago
Hey Tardigrade_Cain, You got some real interesting suggestions! I really like Unwinding Clock in principle, but I only have 4 instant speed cards so I'm not entirely sure it's as useful as it seems since Winter Orb and Hokori, Dust Drinker don't affect mana rocks. Gold Myr and Palladium Myr seem like reasonable mana generators. The Urza lands are a great suggestion, especially with Weathered Wayfarer; I'll try to work in a Treasure Map as well. Endbringer is a really creative card, I'm glad you suggested it, it should be a nice fit. Lastly, Sun Titan is here for bringing back lands, mana rocks etc. that die to Armageddon, Hour of Revelation, Purify etc. (I will often try to equip him with Darksteel Plate, or give him Gift of Immortality or Shielded by Faith). The goal here is to destroy our opponent's mana generators while still being able to use ours. It also synergizes really well Emeria, The Sky Ruin, and with no Crucible of Worlds it can help set up the Dust Bowl/Strip Mine land lock.