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Null Brooch Discussion
1 month ago
For starters, I have already looked at your's and ay.lobo's Purphoros lists at least 10 times. You don't have to keep posting them. I know you've submitted them, and they're on my mind.
Secondly, Purphoros was the first EDH deck I built when I first got into the format, and I've played and updated the deck ever since then, so I know the ins and outs of the deck very well. And believe me when I say you are still using some sub-par strategies in your list. For instance, I can say with certainty that Glitterfang and Lightning Berserker are too slow to be of any real use.
Third, goldfishing Turn 6 wins is no longer enough to get you higher than T3. Since the advent of Paradox Engine, Aetherflux Reservoir, Walking Ballista, new efficient combos like DramaticScepter, and the Protean Hulk unban, nearly everything in the top tiers have gotten a significant uptick in power level. Nearly everything in T2.5 and above is capable of goldfishing T4 wins. The top tiers have so many overpowered cards right now that they could unban Tinker without shaking up the format too much. Purphoros gets a little bit of leeway, since he screws over AdNaus decks so badly, but if I were to put your list up as the example for Purphoros right now, I would have no choice but to demote Purphoros to T3, since it's unrealistic to expect a deck that wins on turn 6 to compete with the upper tiers in this meta.
If you still think that your deck is between T2 and T1.5, then I challenge you to playtest the Arcum Dagsson and Azami decklists from T1.5 and T2 in the description. Both of those can go off on turns 2 to 4 easily, with occasional T1 wins. A Purphoros list would lose to those decks without a doubt 99 times out of 100.
That being said, I appreciate the contention with the current Purphoros list in the description. As ay.lobo has brought up, restricting the deck to just goblin tribal cuts out a lot of cards that synergize really beautifully with Purphoros. However, there are a lot of things that play well with Purphoros, and unfortunately, not all of them play well with each other. The reason we have a goblin tribal deck up right now is that the tribal synergy speeds up the clock of the deck by about 1 turn because of the extra rituals, tutors, and things like Warren Instigator or Goblin War Strike. It's that little bit of speed that's keeping Purphoros in T2.5 really.
I think what needs to happen going forward is to work out how to add the non-goblin cards that Purphoros shines with to a goblin shell that will continue to speed up the deck. Could be super tricky. I've been planning on taking a crack at it for a while now.
spudman3d, A while back I suggested a six tier system in the interest of separating the moderately (mostly) Janky commanders like Chisei, Heart of Oceans or He Who Hungers from the complete trash like Barktooth Warbeard or Myojin of Infinite Rage. (Also, to keep stuff like Chisei from clogging up T4, which clogged up T3, which actually bothered people.)
We tried it for a little while, but ultimately thegigibeast decided that T5 and T6 were so close that functionally no one cared to separate them. He combined them into the current T5, and I think that's fine the way it is.
Also fyi, there are actually some pretty functional Phage decks. Black has the best tutor power and the best graveyard recursion, so you can easily get one of the six ways to get Phage out of the command zone: Sundial of the Infinite, Command Beacon, Null Brooch, Thrull Wizard, Withering Boon, and Kozilek, the Great Distortion. It's stupid and over-complicated for what is essentially a mediocre Voltron deck, but it does function.
1 month ago
imps mischief dosen't stop a board wipe unfortunately.
the only thing I could find is Null Brooch that looked like it could help this deck stop a fieldwipe.but im not so sure how well it fits into your game-plan xD.
3 months ago
Here is the ruling from 10/04/2004:
You can’t use the Library of Leng ability to place a discarded card on top of your library when you discard a card as a cost, because costs aren’t effects.
Since the part of Null Brooch about discarding is before the colon, it is part of the cost.
3 months ago
hold some cards back, you dont need to play everything. play some scary non-creatures like Havoc Festival and Wound Reflection so even when all creatures get wiped you still have threats. play some sac outlets so in response to living death you sac this and that then living death brings this and that back. play your own field wipes or some solid reanimation effects or both. Null Brooch is also funny, i love when my karn deck counters stuff nobody expects it even though it has been sitting there for 5 turns but the brooch can go in more than just karn.
3 months ago
Firestorm is fantastic! I like to have control over what I discard and this card does it well. Thanks for that recommendation. As much as I like Null Brooch, it's a card people know will put you at a disadvantage if you have a lot in hand.
3 months ago
I built a Hazoret deck too - want to check it out? :) The Trial of Zeal: Hazoret EDH - I'd love to hear your suggestions.
Where are you planning to go with this list? :) I can give you some more complex feedback if this deck has a concrete direction, but in general cards like Uba Mask and Null Brooch are amazing: emptying your hand for fin and profit!
3 months ago
I've been tinkering with Hazoret for a while now, and I've found that mass discard cards like Firestorm or Conflagrate can do a lot of work with an indestructible commander, doubly so when you have madness cards in hand ;) Null Brooch and Uba Mask are also strong here.
Want to take a look over my list? :) We built her very differently, but two eyes are always better than one in case either of us missed something.
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