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Loxodon Gatekeeper Discussion
3 days ago
Some more shenanigans
2 weeks ago
Hi, these are the cards I'm personally not a fan of in your deck. I'll try to offer some input for each.
Kaya, Ghost Assassin, too slow. The value isn't good enough for the cost.
Eldrazi Monument, too expensive.
Key to the City interesting way of trying to discard/draw, but feels too slow and the unblockable ability only really pairs well with Master of Cruelties. It's a pretty fun and cheeky combo, but you'll immediately become the biggest target once you try taking out one of your opponents. Personally, I think Master of Cruelties is a powerful card and can catch an opponent off guard, but if you're going for a kill then you best kill everyone or else you're next on the list.
Rule of Law, It's not a bad way to manage the tempo, but I feel like there are better options to tax/affect the board. Here are some more common options that you have available to you: Loxodon Gatekeeper, Magus of the Moon, Magus of the Tabernacle, Tangle Wire, Thorn of Amethyst, Stony Silence, Blood Moon, Ethersworn Canonist, Hushwing Gryff, Kataki, War's Wage, Vryn Wingmare, Glowrider. Angelforge's list definitely focuses on the stax plan, so maybe look towards his list for more ideas.
Possibility Storm, just a bad card if you're looking for a competitive list. Way too costly and the effect is more geared towards casual fun.
Cathars' Crusade, too expensive and slow.
Behind the Scenes, just very bad. Slots in the 99 are competitive and this card doesn't deserve an inclusion for what it gives.
Aura of Silence, a lot of the artifacts you care about are your opponents mana rocks. A Mana Crypt doesn't get so good when you're paying for it. However, those sort of cards are primarily amazing when you're slamming them right out of the gate. At 3 mana, you're not getting this out too early (and if you are then you're either being very defensive or don't have much else going on) so the nice tax effect becomes less effect. Most of the time it'll serve as enchantment/artifact removal, but there are cheaper options out there then.
Angel of Invention, too expensive and not sure what the point of it is. Are you trying to win through combo? Then you shouldn't be wasting slots on buffing creatures. True, hatebears can occasionally just beat face but don't invest cards into that strategy. Think of that as a backup plan.
Anger, is there a desire for your creatures having haste? Beatdown strategies aren't too great since a 4 player game means you are virtually trying to do 120 points of damage. Kind of the same argument I have against Angel of Invention.
Duplicant, way too expensive.
Erebos, God of the Dead, seems like it's mainly there for the draw ability, but that's too slow.
Iroas, God of Victory, again I don't really like dedicated beatdown cards.
Palisade Giant, way too expensive for what it does.
Silent Arbiter, kind of meh. It slows down aggro decks that like to go wide. Are you playing against those sort of decks a lot?
Stingscourger, not worth the bounce effect. Rather would just have plain removal.
Yahenni, Undying Partisan, I'm assuming this is here as a sac outlet? There's cheaper and better sac outlet options.
Return to Dust, pretty expensive removal. I don't know your meta, but if you aren't playing against some really annoying enchantments/artifacts then it probably isn't worth it. A lot of taxing effects don't bother you too much anyways so the cases that do are pretty fringe.
Merciless Eviction, way too expensive. The effects are probably overkill when truly major threats can usually be dealt with by just using spot removal.
Pia and Kiran Nalaar, not sure what's going on here but this card doesn't give much value.
Cards you are missing and should add regardless of what path you take:Dark ConfidantImperial RecruiterAnafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit, you're already running Redcap. This combos with it.Goblin Bombardment, cheap and simple sac outletNecropotence, you want card draw?Stranglehold, more stax. This one can really hit some people hard
There's probably some tutor effects you're missing. Feel free to look at my list or Angelforge's for those.
Your landbase needs fixing. It's too slow, but I understand how upgrading it can be really costly.
2 weeks ago
You could cut one of the orbs since you're running Fabricate and have the ability to recur artifacts or cut Luminarch Ascension for costs and I'm in the opinion that it doesn't really fit the theme of the deck but hey, it's a great card so yeah.
More notable cards: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV, Spelltithe Enforcer, Loxodon Gatekeeper; these three with your stax would just be oppressive as it gets I'd say. Pull from Eternity to pull combo pieces/win cons back from exile (if this becomes a problem). Also, Grand Architect + Pili-Pala make infinite mana. Moreover, if you ever decided to invest in this deck, you could go with Power Artifact which breaks your Basalt Monolith for infinite mana.
3 weeks ago
Loxodon Gatekeeper is there to give me time, it slows down the enemy significantly. There are a lot of Token decks and like 3 Tron's in my LGS and Loxodon Gatekeeper screws them over good, and thus far has done it's job extremely well. Ghostly Prison isn't even in the mainboard, but it's purpose really is a so called "pillow fort", I usually side it in when I go against some seriously aggro heavy decks. Why add veteran swordsmith or it's counterpart the armorsmith when I can just add another Field Marshal? And Honor of the Pure also buffs all my soldiers, so no, the Smiths are reduntant.
As for Elsepth, I had 2 in the deck originally, but they quite honestly didn't do shit except slow me down, they were absolutely useless and I'll never use another planeswalker again, ever.
3 weeks ago
But it seems the fundamental core is confused. Are you going for white pillowfort with Loxodon Gatekeeper and Ghostly Prison or are you going for Soldier synergy with Field Marshal and Ballyrush Banneret
Because if you're going for more Pillowfort, I don't know why Elspeth, Sun's Champion isn't here with her Soldier Synergy and incredible -3
But if you want more soldier, why not Veteran Swordsmith? It's pretty cheap and gets your point of beefier soldiers, while staying in your budget theme.
I like the deck though, it's fun!
2 months ago
Peanut3181 Thanks for checking out my decklist! That Brago deck sounds like a lot of fun, and I considered building one in my early days deciding which legendary creatures to focus building decks around. In the end, I picked Gwafa because his ability was super unique and flavorful, and I loved the political potential he offered.
I wouldn't be able to run the Disk + Lattice + Forge combo for multiple reasons. First, the Lattice and the Forge are way outside my budget range, and it's a three card combo that doesn't do much for me if I can't get all three pieces together. I could see running it in my Breya EDH deck if I decide to assemble that back together.
The (relatively) high price of Cyclonic Rift kept me away from considering it for a while, but since discovered that it's the fifth most ubiquitous EDH card of all time, I decided to include it on my to-buy list.
I'm assuming you meant to link Peacekeeper, which is a card I hadn't heard of before. It looks pretty powerful, but the problem is that it prevents all creatures from attacking anybody, which draws attention to me and does not go well politically.
Magus of the Moat looks incredibly strong and might be worth considering. What would you suggest I swap it in for to playtest?
Darksteel Mutation and Imprisoned in the Moon I don't care for; if a commander is causing me pain I have other ways to counter it (bribery counters, spot removal, Azorius Guildmage), otherwise my opponents will usually leave me alone and attack someone else.
I have Thalia, Heretic Cathar and Blind Obedience functioning as my Loxodon Gatekeeper of choice. The first is aggressive and defends well, and the second allows me to play a game of attrition. I don't like to include too much of this effect though, because it draws attention I don't want.
I used to run Dovescape, but without Guile or Leyline of Singularity, it just wasn't effective enough. I also traded it away for a Golgari Grave-Troll, which I'm still happy about even with the recent Modern ban.
Sphinx's Tutelage looks really weak against anything that isn't monocolored. This deck doesn't mill anyway, so it's not exactly a great wincon here.
Entreat the Angels is nice, but I think it's far more suited for something like Selesnya or Bant with access to green for ramp. Drawing it early in this decklist is just bad.
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite are way too far outside my budget range. They're really good, but unless I run into someone who's willing to trade, I can't count on including these.
Thanks for the feedback! Again, let me know what you'd consider cutting for Magus of the Moat.
2 months ago
I like the list. I run a Azorius deck myself but i use Brago, King Eternal instead of Gwafa, but i definitely considered him. My main win con's for the deck is bouncing everybody's permanents or infinitely milling them out with Brago, King Eternal+Strionic Resonator+Sol Ring+Altar of the Brood. Or getting infinite mana with Deadeye Navigator+Peregrine Drake or Great Whale and going from there.
I do like what I see in this deck. I like how you lock your opponents out and slowly get value over time to hit a win con. Have you considered running like a Nevinyrral's Disk+Mycosynth Lattice+Darksteel Forge combo? You can remove all your opponents permanents every turn. It's gross but you are playing azorius after all.
I would highly recommend getting a Cyclonic Rift ASAP. Best card in blue. Period. peacemaker is flavorful. and Magus of the Moat is always good. Darksteel Mutation and Imprisoned in the Moon is great removal for commanders. Loxodon Gatekeeper is annoying. Tamiyo is just pure value for what you're trying to do. Dovescape is just stupid. I would maybe try to include another win con? Like Entreat the Angels, Sphinx's Tutelage, or Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite. Great deck though!!
2 months ago
Loxodon Gatekeeper maybe? Not a bad choice for a little more control.