Flusterstorm

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Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
MTGO Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Iconic Masters (IMA) Rare
Vintage Masters (VMA) Rare
MTG: Commander (CMD) Rare
Promo Set (000) Rare

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Flusterstorm

Instant

Counter target instant or sorcery spell unless its controller pays .

Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies.)

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Flusterstorm Discussion

SynergyBuild on tuvasa Tier?

2 weeks ago

No I don't play Tiny Leaders, well, I tried it, but took the deck apart because apparently using all of black and whites tutors to find Darkest Hour and Blasting Station in my Teysa, Orzhov Scion deck was okay, but when I found out how to build a tiny leaders varient of Hermit Druid, no one wanted to play against me.

Here is how it works, Hermit Druid your deck into your yard, and flashback Memory's Journey, hitting Yawgmoth's Will. I usually also hit Gitaxian Probe too. If you have a lot of mana, you can even flashback Think Twice to draw a card, however I normally mill myself out and flashback Journey on upkeep so I don't care.

Cast Yawgmoth's Will, and start storming off from the yard, with Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual, and all of the efficient mana rocks that net mana. Then cast any number of combos. I usually go for Regrowthing back a Dramatic Reversal, casting Isochron Scepter from the yard, imprinting it, making infinite mana, casting Laboratory Maniac from the yard, casting my commander (Thrasios, Triton Hero, with Tymna the Weaver as the partner), and drawing to win.

The deck obviously could win with just IsoRev combo, with the commander, and won averagely turn 3. With all of the tutors and ramp legal, without Force of Will for my opponents to respond as easily (with Swan Song, Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Counterspell, Pact of Negation they can, but not as easily), the format dulled to a cEDH format with less interaction. Really sucked too, because it had so much promise.

That was back when I played around 4 years ago. I started ~5 years ago, but stopped 3 years ago. Started back up in late Amonkhet where I saw a booster box (or bundle?) in a store and remembered it. Got back in and though I sold my standard playabled, ended up that a lot of my other cards were great in commander, like Serra's Sanctum and Earthcraft, which I thought were only cool little tid-bits of MTG history at the time.

SynergyBuild on tuvasa Tier?

2 weeks ago

Really, it would be around tier 4 this build. I imagine a better version going with a more consistent stax plan that happens to run a few key enchantments, instead of this could even be tier 2.5, but the commander would be all but a major part of the deck.

If you want a real enchantment-based build, use Earthcraft and Squirrel Nest, drop the Enchanted Evening/Aura Thief, Starfield of Nyx, Sigil of the Empty Throne, and Solemnity/Phyrexian Unlife/Solemnity/Decree of Silence. You should run Altar of the Brood as support for both the earthcraft combo and Opalescence/Parallax Wave.

The other drops you should have are cards like Cultivate and Kodama's Reach, because they are bad cards and shouldn't be run in any non-landfall deck, Cleansing Meditation because it is bad, and Skyshroud Claim. Pendrell Mists is too much mana for this deck to handle, as is Omniscience, despite its power in some decks.

Sun Titan would be okay in a more dedicated stax build that doesn't go with enchantments, despite its promise with Mana Vortex, and Austere Command/Supreme Verdict should be on the chopping board.

Leyline of Anticipation is weak for its mana cost, and is abd draw, only semi useful when in openning hand, but even then it isn't great.

Sphere of Safety is too much mana, and I'd probably drop a Propaganda or Ghostly Prison, perhaps because you'd just tutor up a Solitary Confinement.

Seedborn Muse, Mystic Confluence, and Mirari's Wake are a waste of mana, I know why you run them, but they are traps.

Words of Wind is a maybe, I feel it has value when comboing off, and acts as a wincon with Earthcraft/Altar of the Brood and a creature, but is otherwise weak.

Energy Field needs to go, it sucks, as does Hesitation and Lunar Force, yes, Sun Titan, no even so. You will not use these in a meaningful way.

Academy Rector is for pulling out your Decree of Silence/Omniscience, but because you are not hulking it up or having any consistent way for it to die, it isn't worth it.

Land Tax is a bad card, honestly unless you are monowhite or in a deck that benefits from discarding cards, it isn't worth it. The thinning is the best it does, and a card in your deck that thins only is trash. If it is used to help you hit land drops, your deck is either A: Not in need of land, or B: Awfully built or was mulliganned poorly.

Beast Within and Counterspell need to go, there are much more efficient options like Force of Will, Nature's Claim, and Swan Song.

Karmic Justice is a bit bad, I'd drop it, probably for Greater Auramancy.


Now the next part is on what to add. I talked about dropping around 27 cards, so there is some room. I would drop around 3 lands at least as well, which leaves us with a clean 30 cards to add.

Now, we'll add the cards I previously talked about, Altar of the Brood, Earthcraft, and Squirrel Nest. These help you win the game after we dropped a lot of your previous wincons. Greater Auramancy is also a card I prior suggested, and helps stop a Nature's Claim kill you. 26 cards left to go.

The next is to replace the lands we dropped. You want mana fast, so you can empty your hand, and use Tuvasa to draw more cards, aiming to hit a real enchantress or tutor for one. This means two things, more tutors, and more ramp.

Wild Growth, Utopia Sprawl, Overgrowth, and Fertile Ground help benefit Earthcraft when used to make more mana on combo turn, especially with an Opalescence out. Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Sol Ring, Chrome Mox, Mox Diamond, and Lotus Petal allow the deck to get more mana faster as well. This leaves 16 cards.

With tutors, Idyllic Tutor, Worldly Tutor, and Mystical Tutor are the picks for me, leaving 13 cards.

Teferi's Protection, Swan Song, Flusterstorm, Seal Away, Ravages of War, Force of Will, Nature's Claim, Armageddon, and Cast Out are efficient pieces of interaction I would suggest. This leaves 4 cards.

Back to Basics, Root Maze, and Rest in Peace make for a good toolbox effect for hate pieces. This leaves 1 card.

Nature's Chosen is a card I have found success in, and suggest you try it too. Enchanting a Tuvasa makes it another land in essence, and can untap a Serra's Sanctum, it is under the radar, so pick it up before all of the Emmara, Soul of the Accord players find out about it. That is it!


This last part is about optimizing your landbase for Back to Basics and Earthcraft, they synergize well, so don't worry too much about stretching your deck thin.

After looking through, the following lands are must drops, as they aren't good in nearly any deck:

Maze of Ith, Krosan Verge, Reflecting Pool, Reliquary Tower, and Rogue's Passage

They don't have a place in this deck.

Similarly, you should optimize your deck to get your colors more on curve, fetchlands being a major part of that. Wooded Foothills, Flooded Strand, Polluted Delta, Misty Rainforest, Scalding Tarn, Verdant Catacombs, Arid Mesa, and Marsh Flats are the missing ones in your colors. You can use them to fetch the shock/dual lands for colors, or basics for Back to Basics/Earthcraft.

Wooded Bastion, Flooded Grove, and Yavimaya Hollow should be dropped as well to fit them, as well as Brushland for Razorverge Thicket, Adarkar Wastes for City of Brass, Hinterland Harbor for Mana Confluence, Glacial Fortress for Exotic Orchard, and one of each basic because you have too many lands.


That's it. That would actually be a tier 3 enchantress deck, and doesn't stoop to just playing Tuvasa for colors for a stax-combo deck, running no enchantments.

SynergyBuild on Commanders by Power Level [EDH Tier List]

2 weeks ago

Actually, yeah, the definition fits that perfectly. Tuvasa is tier 3.

Tier 3

This is the middle tier. They can't usually compete against tier 1 decks, but might do fine with tier 2 decks. They usually have "the Aggro Problem," or they are wildly inconsistent. Most of the "pubstomp" decks that dominate casual meta go in here. They may have a bad reputation, but that doesn't make them tier 1.

Tuvasa can handle aggro swarm with propaganda/ghostly prison, aura of silence for artifact ramp, and stony silence for aggro voltron builds

It is wildly inconsistent, and slow. I play enchantress, and the most powerful combo and stax builds I have achieved over a year of trying has been tier 3 at best. Enchantress and enchantment-based stax is simply to inconsistent, relying on a draw engine, that is subpar in the command zone or not easily able to be put online with bad tutors like Summoner's Pact being needed when you just can't afford the tempo loss. Really, Tuvasa is bad against most tier 2 decks, and is way to slow and durdly for tier 1 to ever be affected by it.

Aura of Silence comes down after the artifact mana. Artifact mana, Sol Ring, Lotus Petal, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Chrome Mox, Mox Diamond, Grim Monolith, Mox Opal, and the other similar effects come down on turns 1 and 2. Without some very incosistent ramp strategy, Aura of Silence doesn't come down until turn 2 or 3, which is averagely missing most of the artifact mana.

The aggro strategy that sees the most play is Edric Turns, a deck that can attack any other player to get the draws, and easily blow up all of your pillow fort over 40 turns before one shotting you.

Stony Silence is a great card, worse than Null Rod, but good in a stax build. It does help the deck be a good stax deck, however with only a handful of real stax cards, it falls short of making Tuvasa viable. Rest in Peace and Blind Obedience are other cards I have found help out with Tuvasa, and Rule of Law, Arcane Laboratory, Eidolon of Rhetoric, and ocasionally Spirit of the Labyrinth does as well. Blue has Mystic Remora, a card that sees extensive play in cEDH stax builds as well as many blue-based decks in the format, and Rhystic Study exists to help lock out some storm decks by drawing you until you can hit some 0 mana counterspells or a Flusterstorm if they are a Tendrils deck and are not going Aetherflux Reservoir.

Back to Basics and Mana Vortex are semi-efficient enchantment replacements for Winter Orb/Smokestack, but aren't too good unless in a dedicated deck, as is Stasis.

Outside of those 11 cards, of which 5 are generally only decent or bad unless in a dedicated deck, enchantment-based decks need red or black for cards like Nether Void, Blood Moon and Stranglehold, however five color enchantments isn't viable due to landbases being too stretched to run Blood Moon or Back to Basics, which leads the whole point to be undermined.

I'll check out your link and see if it has any potential, but I highly doubt it.

Kaleo42 on Drawing Your Last Breath

1 month ago

So I notice your group's ban list is focused on the "feel bad" cards like game warping fatties and land destruction. This means your land is relatively safe and a deck focused on drawing cards can easily function on 34 or 35. I would build it with 33 but I see you want to get to a few select top end cards. I would cut these lands in order: Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep, Rakdos Carnarium, Izzet Boilerworks, Crosis's Catacombs, and Dimir Aqueduct.

High cost cards can be fun but it's important to balance their impact with the fact that drawing too many of them can stunt your game play. Cruel Ultimatum immediately jumps out at me as a fun card but ultimately lacking in the impact. Targeting a single player and being super heavy both in cmc and color requirements makes the risk to reward ratio not in your favor.

Jaya and Nicol Bolas both fall in a similar camp of cost outweighing their impact. Of the two a greater argument can be made for Jaya pumping out spells and drawing cards but that triple red is rough. Keep in mind the big goal here is to force draw absurd amounts of cards, each high cost and color intense spell you hit is a speed bump in that card drawing engine.

Dominus of Fealty and Thraximundar are a pretty high cost to invest into things that are off strategy. Nezahal, Primal Tide is in a similar boat but if your play group creates a need for a 7/7 uncounterable then it’s a fine inclusion. Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker is strategy adjacent but the slot can probably be put to better use. I also don’t like Guiltfeeder but I recognize that is likely do to my meta shaping my opinion of it.

Cards I would look at adding

Toxic Deluge over Flaying Tendrils for similar slot but higher power level.

Time Spiral over Time Reversal since it's lower cmc and much stronger.

Vampiric Tutor and maybe Imperial Seal would help smooth out the deck's performance.

Swiftfoot Boots are better than General's Kabuto.

Anvil of Bogardan I am surprised isn't already in here.

I would run Izzet Guildmage over Nivix Guildmage if you want the dual casting. I don't think you need the looting at that mana cost.

Waste Not does beautiful things with all the wheels on this bus. In the same vein Liliana's Caress and Megrim would be fun.

Memory Jar is another great wheel.

Psychosis Crawler is too on strategy not to include.

Sunder is great in decks like this but your group would probably ban it in a heartbeat based on your current ban list.

Reverberate, Twincast, and Dualcaster Mage can act as counterspells and double your wheels among other things.

You’re already fairly deep in artifacts so a mana rock ramp package would massively increase speed and consistency. Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, (maybe) Mana Vault, Rakdos Signet, Dimir Signet, Izzet Signet, Thought Vessel, Chrome Mox, and Mox Diamond.

Jace, the Mindsculptor, Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip, and if I am reading your meta correctly Ob Nixilis Reignited would be good walkers to include.

Vandalblast if your playgroup uses a healthy amount of artifact ramp.

Spell Pierce, Flusterstorm, Mana Drain, and Swan Song are the only counters I would recommend because I can see that’s not the direction you want to go too deep into.

Dark Ritual and Cabal Ritual are great at getting your pacing off on the right foot and Past in Flames could really tie it all together.

Boza on when does the ability "storm" ...

1 month ago

1/ Flusterstorm works only versus sorceries and instants, not versus creatures.
2/ Yes, you can technically "use" the previous spells cast. Storm counts all spells cast by all players that turn. If the opponent cast Delver of Secrets  Flip, you countered with Counterspell and the opponent later on the same turn cast Lightning Bolt:

  • When you cast Flusterstorm, the storm trigger will see 3 other spells (delver, counterspell and bolt) were cast this turn before Flusterstorm.
  • It will create 3 copies of flusterstorm, meaning your opponent will have to pay 4 times ( for each copy and for the original Flusterstorm) to successfully resolve the bolt.

cdkime on when does the ability "storm" ...

1 month ago

Flusterstorm is cast and goes on the stack targeting your opponent's spell (let's say they cast Lightning Bolt. Storm then triggers, and you get to copy Flusterstorm--these copies go directly on the stack and are not cast.

The copies will resolve first, meaning they're gone for good--you can't "save" spells that are on the stack for future use.* Your opponent will have to pay for each copy that resolves, until they can't, in which case the Lightning Bolt is countered and the remaining copies/original Flusterstorm fizzle because they lack a valid target.

What makes Flusterstorm such a good spell is (a) it can be used on turn 1 to delay an opponent; (b) it can pretty easily get out of control--if you've cast two other spells, you're getting the already decent Mana Leak for just ; and (c) you can sometimes counter multiple spells at once with it, provided there are multiple spells to target.

*This statement is not 100% accurate, as you can "save" a spell on the stack with either Delay or Kheru Spellsnatcher. But those are very specific situations not relevant to your question.

metalmustaine on when does the ability "storm" ...

1 month ago

if one of opponent's spell was successfully countered (say, an enchantment spell), can I use the storm copies of a counterspell if he/she will cast another creature that same turn?

i'm trying to understand how Flusterstorm works

Penthoplayer on 100% cEDH Aminatou shenanigans

1 month ago

So, I see a lot of changes for general power level upgrades. I can't give anything specific to this deck, as I can't tell what the deck is attempting to accomplish at a quick look through the list, but these should be in every cEDH list that can run them.

First of all, remember cEDH is a turn 3 format, so you need all your lands to enter untapped unconditionally. I see several that have more difficult to reach requirements, only 5 fetches when you should run 9 (missing Windswept Heath, Misty Rainforest, and Scalding Tarn), no true duals (Tundra, Underground Sea, and Scrubland), which I understand due to price, and no City of Brass or Exotic Orchard. I also don't see an Enlightened Tutor, Timetwister (Once again, I recognize it's expensive, though), Imperial Seal, Chrome Mox, Flusterstorm, Dispel, or any way to get those expensive creatures into the graveyard to Reanimate, or any reanimation spells. That curve is incredibly high. Average CMC without a lot of reanimation should be About 1.8, and your's is at 3.27.

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