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Legendary Planeswalker — Dack
+1: Target player draws two cards, then discards two cards.
-2: Gain control of target artifact.
-6: You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast a spell that targets one or more permanents, gain control of those permanents."
|Have (3)||firemind12 , brokendwarf , philktoken8998|
|Want (8)||telepaper , elfy13 , msween00 , JollyGyarados , Zyrook , KillDatBUG , YukiHimuro , Surymo|
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Dack Fayden Discussion
2 days ago
So my first thought is that you should run a LOT of instants, rather than just 2. Vial smasher can trigger on ANY turn, not just one, so running something like Dig Through Time would be... really good. Generally, you'll want these instants to draw you more cards, so Fact or Fiction and Glimmer of Genius are also fine choices. Cards with alternate casting costs also tend to have high CMCs: for example, Force of Will is a Lava Axe in this deck, as well as a counter spell. While Force may be a pricey card, other cards from the same cycle aren't. Contagion is well under a dollar, and can potentially also 2-for-1 with opposing creatures, while Pyrokinesis is even stronger. Misdirection and Commandeer also come to mind. If you want to get REAL spicy, Mind's Dilation is another good way to cast spell on your opponents' turns, but bear in mind this card tends to be killed pretty fast.
Flash creatures like Torrential Gearhulk also seem like pretty good ideas.
I suggest replacing Vedalken Orrery with Leyline of Anticipation . It's (very) slightly harder to remove an enchantment than an artifact, but more importantly if Leyline is in your opening 7, you avoid having to pay its cost. I can see a world where you play both, though.
I see you're running a few mana rocks, but I advise more. Two mana rocks tend to be far superior to 3 mana rocks, so Dimir Signet and Rakdos Signet are likely better than Thought Vessel or Worn Powerstone . Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Indulgence also come to mind. Being in green means you have access to a whole host of dorks, like Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Arbor Elf , and Elves of Deep Shadow . These 1-drops may not look like much, but being able to accelerate you into quickly casting your general and then the following high-cost cards is a good thing. Orcish Lumberjack is a personal favorite in any red-green deck. However, if you choose to go via artifact ramp and not dork-ramp, this opens you to using effects like Pyroclasm or Volcanic Fallout to keep opponents' creatures in check. Ancient Tomb tends to be REAL nice for powering out turn-one 2-drop rocks. Depending on how blue-heavy your meta is, Carpet of Flowers can range from good to a straight-up powerhouse. If you take this part of my advice, your curve will drop significantly and you will be able to run 32-ish lands with no real problem.
You'll also probably want a good card-draw package, if you're planning to cast a lot of spells. Azra Oddsmaker is a goldmine if you have an open opponent to attack, and black has access to enchantments like Phyrexian Arena . Night's Whisper and Ambition's Cost are also good, and work well with Kydele.
Delve spells will act sort of like X-cost spells, but be easier to cast late-game and harder early-game. Empty the Pits may be interesting, but you should also consider Logic Knot , Treasure Cruise and Tasigur, the Golden Fang . Tasigur will give you an out later in the game for excess mana, and will allow you a level of recursion. In order to make these cards powerful, you need cards in the graveyard. For that, I recommend Faithless Looting , Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip and Dack Fayden . While these last two are pricier cards, I think looting is the best here of the three, as you can cast it turn one to filter out a hand that may be too heavy in lands or spells. The flashback is also very significant. Jace is a powerful card in that he allows more card filtration on a permanent, and allows you to snap back a spell if you want. Dack Fayden is a boss in EDH, where stealing a Sol Ring is very common. So even if you don't need to filter your draws, stealing a rock should be an option about 98% of the time.
Speaking of card filtration, Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm are all potent cards in any blue deck. While they may not work particularly well with Vial Smasher, they all work rather well with Kydele while also giving you a cantrip to cast turn 1. A lot of times, these are the cards that make a boarderline-keep hand into a keep hand for me, as they are extremely good at finding lands and/or spells as need be.
With Kydele, cards like Windfall , Wheel of Fortune and Winds of Change all become rituals in addition to their usual effects. Running Notion Thief in conjunction with these 'everyone draws' spells is... good. Similarly, targeting an opponent with Dack Fayden 's +1 while Notion Thief is on the field is a pretty good way to tip the card-advantage scales in your favor.
I like Whip of Erebos . You should consider running some Entomb or Buried Alive effects with it, as that would allow you to get some one-shots in with powerful creatures when hitting an opponent or just when entering the battlefield. Nicol Bolas and Massacre Wurm comes to mind.
Good luck with deck building!
2 days ago
2 days ago
I think some guidelines need to be defined on what makes certain PWs stronger than others in terms of tiers. I'd personally consider the tier list in the same way as the EDH one, assuming the 'Walkers in question are tuned to their utmost and pit against one another at their best. I'll throw in my 2 cents.
Mana Cost Even in heavy ramp decks, anything 6 or above I'd feel has next to no chance of being S tier. The format when taken to its extreme is too fast for these decks, especially with so much fast mana banned. Although Ugin, the Ineffable and Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge are certainly strong enough with their ramp to hit A tier, they're just a bit too slow to win at the same speed other decks have displayed. With a punishing enough stax plan, maybe this can change.
Passive Synergy Pretty much relegated to WAR 'Walkers, having a passive makes a big difference in your power level. Dovin, Hand of Control , Nissa, Who Shakes the World and Saheeli, Sublime Artificer all have passive abilities that can push their game plan to further extremes as they are not restricted to one loyalty activation a turn. Although not everything in A tier and above needs a passive, and despite not all passives being strong, this is still a massive boost in power for those decks abusing them. Its all about how well they can accelerate their game plan.
Utility, or the Swiss Army Knife approach Cards like Dack Fayden or Xenagos, the Reveler provide extra utility outside of being used to win the game. Card draw in Dack's case, mana acceleration for Xenagos. Both of these 'Walkers provide the ability to win the game in the right build, but they still accelerate your game plan without a win all the same. This would be near enough essential for S tier and certainly desired for A tier.
How Consistent/Strong they Combo Narset, Parter of Veils , Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and Ral, Storm Conduit have cheap 1 card combos that either win the game or lock opponents out of the game. Arguments about seeing these combos from the command zone and therefore focusing that player should NOT be considered a factor on the raw power level said combo achieves. S tier 'Walkers should have these, but not all who have a combo will be S tier.
Colour Identity Although Sarkhan Unbroken is often used as Dragon tribal, the colours he gives your decks access to provide plenty of combos, ramp and answers to make a strong and consistent deck. Aminatou, the Fateshifter is another example that would fit here, with both of these 'Walkers also providing great utility abilities to support their game plans too. I'll also use this point to state how mono Green really struggles in this format. There are strong strategies such as Nissa, Who Shakes the World combined with Genesis Wave , but even with the various combos to generate big mana and large threats, it struggles to connect a fast win on the turn it is executed. Lacking cheap and instant speed answers to faster decks apart from Beast Within is also a downside for the colour. For that reason, I think it would be a struggle for any mono Green deck to hit S tier.
I hope this helps. Been loving this format and playing it solid for the past 2 months online or with a playgroup at my LGS to try and test what feels like the more consistent strategies, which as it turns out, feel almost like the opposite of EDH. White is a stronger colour than Green, aggro and mill are considerably more viable, decks that ramp to play big spells struggle to win often. Its a refreshing change of pace for multiplayer games.
2 days ago
Personally I think Dack Fayden is A tier material. His ult is an easy wincon, and both his plus and minus abilities are very strong and can be built around. He can be built in a lot of powerful ways, and has some incredibly strong synergies.
3 days ago
I also notice you're running a lot of 1-for-1s. It's important to remember that in EDH you're frequently playing against at least 2 opponents, and more frequently than not you're facing 3. Thus, you're already facing 3x as many cards as you have on your side. (Alliances being discounted as they only work when you're trying not to lose, as opposed to when you're trying to win.) In this sort of situation, 1-for-1s aren't where you want to be. I suggest Ashes to Ashes over Contract Killing and Toxic Deluge over Walk the Plank . (I realize this may remove some of the flavor.) Cast Down is worth reconsidering as well. Perhaps Pyroclasm or Volcanic Fallout would be better.
Cavern of Souls is expensive and ranges from very effective to irrelevant. If you have money and your meta is like mine and filled with countermagic, investing in it is a good idea.
I usually suggest Slate of Ancestry only for decks heavy on the 'spam little dudes' plan, but this deck strikes me as often having a sizable army on the field. You should consider running it.
I'm not sure how good Angrath, Captain of Chaos is. I advise either Pithing Needle or Sorcerous Spyglass instead. They deal with walkers, but more importantly they also deal with ANYthing with a non-mana activated ability. You may be partial to Sorcerous Spyglass if only because it depicts a pirate in the art; I also think it is slightly better, as you can strand a fetch land in the opponent's hand before s/he has a chance to even play it.
Bribery is a good card in EDH if your meta is filled with fatties and the like. I advise maindecking it.
I would run Daring Saboteur over Storm Fleet Sprinter . EDH games are often decided by card advantage/card selection, and the Saboteur gives you the ability to loot, at least a little. Similarly, you might consider running Faithless Looting .
Notion Thief isn't a pirate, but he steals things... Same goes for Dack Fayden , and they're both superb in EDH. You should at least consider running them. (Note that together, if you target an opponent with Dack's +1, you draw two and that opponent discards two.)
Syphon Mind is a good draw spell, if you like the idea of 'stealing' things from your opponents.
Silent Gravestone is on-flavor and provides a level of graveyard hate. It stops most reanimation spells, and cycles as a worst-case scenario. I prefer Grafdigger's Cage , but the Silent Gravestone is likely more on-flavor.
Role Reversal is another card to consider, as it allows you to swap a treasure for a more powerful artifact or a dorky creature for a fatter one.
Good luck with deck building!
4 days ago
Cool shell so far, but I definitely think it needs more mana ramp. Mayeb 4 more sources of your choice of artifact and land ramp, all probably around the 2-3 CMC slot. Since your deck is light on green I'd go the artifacts that tap for colors like Fellwar Stone , Wayfarer's Bauble , Commander's Sphere , Armillary Sphere , Coalition Relic .
Overall I'd look to knock the curve of the deck down a bit. I find decks start to really hum when they are around 3.5 average CMC. With that said, some of the higher cost plane walkers that aren't doing as much work for you might be Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge , Jace, Ingenious Mind-Mage , and Kaya, Bane of the Dead ,
And you can find better board wipes than Decree of Pain . is a tall order.
This deck definitely has all the win cons it needs, just make sure you have the card draw and smooth curve to ensure you get to them consistently.
Looks like fun deck, best of luck!
1 week ago
I'm looking to build a grixis superfriends deck and am looking for these cards. I have just updated my binder with everything I currently have.
- 1x Arcane Denial
- 1x Ashiok, Dream Render
- 1x Bedevil
- 1x Bojuka Bog
- 1x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
- 1x Chromatic Lantern
- 1x Counterspell
- 1x Countersquall
- 1x Dack Fayden
- 1x Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
- 1x Daretti, Scrap Savant
- 1x Dark Intimations
- 1x Darksteel Citadel
- 1x Decree of Annihilation
- 1x Deliver Unto Evil
- 1x Dimir Signet
- 1x Dragonskull Summit
- 1x Dreadbore
- 1x Drowned Catacomb
- 1x Flux Channeler
- 1x Gilded Lotus
- 1x Great Furnace
- 1x Honor-Worn Shaku
- 1x Interplanar Beacon
- 1x Izzet Signet
- 1x Jace, Unraveler of Secrets
- 1x Jace, Wielder of Mysteries
- 1x Jokulhaups
- 1x Karn's Bastion
- 1x Karn, the Great Creator
- 1x Kasmina, Enigmatic Mentor
- 1x Lethal Vapors
- 1x Luxury Suite
- 1x Morphic Pool
- 1x Mox Amber
- 1x Nevinyrral's Disk
- 1x Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God
- 1x Nightscape Familiar
- 1x Ob Nixilis Reignited
- 1x Obliterate
- 1x Overburden
- 1x Saheeli Rai
- 1x Saheeli, the Gifted
- 1x Sarkhan the Masterless
- 1x Savor the Moment
- 1x Seat of the Synod
- 1x Sensei's Divining Top
- 1x Tainted AEther
- 1x Temple of Deceit
- 1x Temple of Epiphany
- 1x Temple of Malice
- 1x Tezzeret the Seeker
- 1x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
- 1x Tezzeret, Artifice Master
- 1x Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge
- 1x The Chain Veil
- 1x The Elderspell
- 1x Time Sieve
- 1x Ugin, the Ineffable
- 1x Vault of Whispers
- Doubling Season
- Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
- Dark Depths
- Exquisite Blood
- 4x Goblin Guide
- japanese Alhammarret's Archive
- Mirari's Wake
- Elspeth, Knight-Errant
- Archangel of Thune
- Karlov of the Ghost Council
the rest is in my binder
1 week ago
Hi Repeels - I do have one copy of Dack Fayden but it currently lives in my more competitive deck: Nin, the Narcissist [Primer]. He'd definitely be good for stealing artifacts, but I'm not sure we need his looting effect much in this deck (discarding our hand doesn't help us much). Definitely one to think about though....
Dack Fayden occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.46%