Thorn of Amethyst

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Thorn of Amethyst

Artifact

Noncreature spells cost (1) more to play.

Epicurus on Runadi, Behemoth Caller: Beef Chief

2 weeks ago

First off, I am not a competitive player by any stretch. So take any comments I might make with that in mind. It is very likely that I'm just not a good enough player to understand. And I mean that honestly. In other words, I'm trying to learn something here.

Just going on the statistics, the deck has 34 spells that cost 5 or more (with 16 of those cards split equally between MV7 and 8), while only having 10 cards that cost 2 or less. That's more than a 3-1 ratio, with the larger category comprising slightly more than a third of the deck.

Of your mana ramp spells, 4 are in the MV5 or higher category, while having only 3 in the MV2 or less category. Even the remaining 7 ramp spells, at MV4 and 5, can't be played in the first two rounds unless you happen to get one or more of those 3 early ramp spells in the first 8 cards drawn. An even more lopsided ratio exists for the removal.

Constructed as such, when I playtest the deck, I'm almost always drawing for at least 4 turns before I can play a single spell. Just nothing but MV5+ spells and lands. The percentages don't make sense to me.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I've always thought that the ratio should go the other way around. Heavy on the lower cost ramp, and include a select few power ramp cards for a huge mid-game push. Generally fueled by the obvious Elvish selection (Llanowar Elves and all of it's counterparts). And yes, I do recognize that your land base is pretty stellar.

To answer your question, some of my favorite mono-green removal spells are already on your list. If I were to list a few others, I would include Manglehorn, Broken Bond, Caustic Caterpillar, Song of the Dryads and Lignify. For colorless, Warping Wail, Ratchet Bomb and Powder Keg. I don't know if stuff like Chalice of the Void, Trinisphere or Thorn of Amethyst would do anything for you, but they might put your opponents on a level playing field with you. And yes, if all else fails, you could at least have a Fog or two or three or four in the mix to at least stave off combat damage whilst you spend turns building resources.

I think that I'd have to actually see you play it to appreciate how it works.

thefiresoflurve on Obekkin Up A Storm

1 month ago

Nice brew. Do you struggle with board presence? If so, Hate Mirage, Lagomos, Hand of Hatred, Mishra, Eminent One would all be decent additions. Mishra in particular looks like it might be really fun with all your artifacts.

As far as cuts: I think Thorn of Amethyst could probably be substituted by a stax piece that is more in your favor, like Aura Flux or Smoke.

Chrome Mox might be super inconsistent here since there are so many artifacts.

Hypersonic Dragon offers negative synergy with your commander and Ideas Unbound (since you can't end someone else's turn). Additionally, the dragon only even affects 6 cards.

Ruby Medallion should also be cut since it only even affects 5 other cards. Sapphire Medallion may be able to stay since it affects 15, but IMO that's kind of thin ice.

GL HF!

TheOfficialCreator on Stax for salt

3 months ago

Lodestone Golem, Cursed Totem, Sphere of Resistance, Chalice of the Void, Thorn of Amethyst, Trinisphere (the Totem does shut down Lord High Artificer just fyi)

Icy Manipulator, Relic Barrier, and Pacification Array can tap your orbs and spheres to make sure you aren't locked down by them as well (this is really only relevant if you aren't running Lord High Artificer as your commander).

thefiresoflurve on Sounds About White to Me

5 months ago

If you're looking for help making cuts, the first step I would take is to look at your symmetrical stax pieces and see which ones hurt you the most:

Deafening Silence, Grafdigger's Cage, Containment Priest, Ethersworn Canonist, Hushbringer, Kataki, War's Wage, Leonin Arbiter, Rest in Peace, Sphere of Resistance, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Trinisphere, Sanctum Prelate, Rule of Law, Thorn of Amethyst, whew I think that's all.

Of these, you want to look at the ones which most hamper what you want to do, or have negative synergies with other cards you run. You have a few cards that say "draw", so Spirit of the Labyrinth is IMO the very first cut you should make.

Another negative synergy I saw is Hushbringer and Authority of the Consuls. I like Authority a lot better since it synergizes with Heliod.

The next ones I'd cut could take one of two routes: so, I'm thinking of cards like Ethersworn Canonist and Sphere of Resistance. These kind of innately have negative synergy - if people are paying more for spells, they're less likely to be able to cast multiple spells in the first place, meaning the Canonist's ability is wasted. You should consider going for one type of effect or the other, not both. (I wouldn't run either symmetrically in mono-white, personally).

Council's Judgment can probably be cut - you have great enough removal without running it.

kataki definitely needs to go with how many artifacts you're running.

AstroAA on

8 months ago

As people in the thread said, if you really wanted your playgroup to hate you, things like Armageddon, Null Rod, Deafening Silence, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Rule of Law, Archon of Emeria, Angel of Jubilation, Thorn of Amethyst, Sphere of Resistance, Winter Orb, and Smokestack are all super fun cards you can run.

AstroAA on Mono Red infinite combos???

9 months ago

It seems that all the decks that your mates are running are based on cheating things into play or casting things for free. Grafdigger's Cage is an absolute must. One mana to fuck over both Rashmi, Eternities Crafter and Narset, Enlightened Master. Weathered Runestone is also good for this.

Narset, Enlightened Master's cheat is based on her attacking, so prevent her from attacking. Ensnaring Bridge and Meekstone are good for this.

Meanwhile, for Rashmi, Eternities Crafter, the method to tackling her is to tax the ever-loving shit out of her. Thorn of Amethyst, Trinisphere, Sphere of Resistance, etc. Even if they are able to cast spells for free, they still have to pay the tax. Void Mirror is also an excellent option. Note, all of these methods can also stop the Narset deck.

Meanwhile, Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow is harder to deal with in my opinion since she's putting cards directly into their hand as opposed to having them draw cards. I think the main method of going about stopping them is boardwipes such as Anger of the Gods and Sweltering Suns, as these can help kill the creatures that she hopes to attack with to cheat herself into play for the card advantage. Spot removal such as Lightning Bolt works too.

mlequesne on Vintage Lands

11 months ago

you have no creatures so why Thorn of Amethyst over Sphere of Resistance?

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