If you would lose unspent mana, that mana becomes colourless instead.
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Horizon Stone Discussion
2 months ago
2 months ago
To be totally clear here, only Horizon Stone has a replacement effect here. Omnath, Locus of Mana and Leyline Tyrant have static abilities that keep you from losing mana of the specified color at all, so there's no mana loss event for Horizon Stone to apply to.
To see how Leyline Tyrant and Horizon Stone's abilities differ, technically Horizon Stone happens over and over. Since you lose mana at the end of each step and phase of the turn, Stone continuously rolls it over as colorless mana (even if it was colorless mana Horizon Stone already converted). Leyline Tyrant just applies a modifier as long as it's in play that keeps from being lost.
2 months ago
I'm building a Yurlok of Scorch Thrash commander deck, and am considering both Leyline Tyrant and Horizon Stone for it. My question is, if both are on the field at the same time, will unused red mana stay red or become colorless? I guess the same can be asked about Omnath, Locus of Mana and Horizon Stone regarding green mana, since I'm also planning to run Omnath
3 months ago
The big players in the deck are definitely Bonus Round and Finale of Promise , either of which is usually enough to completely change the direction of the game. Pulling off the Brash Taunter and Blazing Sunsteel combo is also funny whenever it happens, but the playgroup's started to catch wise to the idea that they shouldn't let Taunter or Stuffy Doll hang around unmolested. Though one of my favorite plays actually led to a draw--a Xantcha player had thrown Phyresis onto her and there was no way I was going to win...so I hit her with Arcbond and then dropped Blasphemous Act to take everyone else with me.
While I get the idea behind both Glacial Chasm and Fortune Thief , the reality has been that I'm rarely setting off a symmetrical explosion large enough to take me out of the game. In those cases when Ashling does get sizeable, lifelink from Basilisk Collar or Shadowspear has always been enough to solve the issue. Since lifelink isn't a triggered ability any more since M10, you gain that life at the exact same time damage is dealt, so your life total is never seen to hit zero.
I actually did have Leyline Tyrant in a prior version of the list, but didn't really feel like it was pulling its weight. It was never the card in hand that I most wanted to cast, and after it resolved I rarely had so little to do with my mana that there was much left to bank. Obviously, it pairs very nicely with Braid of Fire , but that was never a consistent enough occurrence to make up for the number of times that it was a dead card that died to Ashling herself half of the time. Because of that, I never really considered Horizon Stone , but the stone not being a creature may make it worth revisiting.
Toralf, God of Fury Flip is a possible inclusion that I've gone back and forth on. On the one hand, he could add up to a decent chunk of additional damage over the course of a game (assuming he doesn't himself die to Ashling too early), and could possibly just wipe out the rest of the table if onboard for a Blasphemous Act . On the other hand, so much of what the deck focuses on is the spellslinging angle, with Ashling serving more as a deterrent and repeatable boardwipe than a win condition. He's definitely on my short list, but I'll need to get in a few more games to feel out whether the latest changes leave any obvious cuts for him.
Birgi, God of Storytelling Flip is in a similar boat to Toralf, albeit with more of the uncertainty tied up in her lower toughness. Both of her sides are useful, both for the effective cost reduction on her front face and the card cash-in from Harnfel, but I simply haven't been able to figure out what to cut.
4 months ago
Might I suggest Glacial Chasm and Fortune Thief in order to survive the Ashling Blast! I've wanted to build this commander for so long, Any highlights if you already own the deck or if you have had the chance to play it online? Are there any big players?
Some other reccomendations off the top of my head are Horizon Stone , Leyline Tyrant , Toralf, God of Fury Flip, and Birgi, God of Storytelling Flip if you are willing to add some more creatures to the mix.
4 months ago
4 months ago
You are missing out on a very good green removal spell Beast Within can even target problematic lands...
5 months ago
Ok, there are some cards I really don't think are a good choice here:
Braids of Fire literally became as powerful as it is because mana burn was removed. So if you're not planning on donating it to an opponent, I don't think it's a good card for Yurlok. Then, there are multiple cards like Black Vise. These are fine group slug cards, but Yurlok isn't giving opponents big hands. I like the idea of including Quietus Spike. Maybe include more cards of that kind?
Shizuko, Caller of Autumn should actually work with Yurlok, as mana burn isn't an official rules term anymore (Can someone confirm this?).
A card you should try here is Thornbite Staff as a way to untap Yurlok. Also, how about Seedborn Muse for even more untapping? You could flood your opponents with so much mana they don't even know how to spend it.