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Mind's Eye Discussion
1 week ago
In my Kynaios and Tiro deck, I have numerous cards that make all players draw cards, but I am contemplating replacing Font of Mythos with Smothering Tithe, since I need to help myself more than I help any other player, and that deck already has plenty of cards that provide further card drawing. I originally was considering replacing Mind's Eye with Smothering Tithe, but I am too fond of the eye to remove it from the deck.
1 week ago
Command Beacon - For when your commander is too expensive
Ancient Tomb > Temple of False
Arch of Orazca > Darksteel citadel - Darksteel is nice with cleansing fire, but arch provides draw, albeit expensive, is nice when you are inevitably out of gas
Strip Mine - Destroy coffers, cradle, urborg, field, etc...
Valakut Stoneforge - "Utility"
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle - Not necessary but good to have
Hedron Archive - Ramp when you need it, draw when you don't
Humble Defector - Nice to have but not necessary, politics and card draw. Nice with homeward path should you wish
Ignite the Future - "Draw" and flashback is very powerful
Light Up the Stage - Similar to above, easy to cast with all your burn. Although truth be told, you should really cut down on burn and focus on strengthening your weaknesses rather than incorporating burn with no particular strategy
Mind's Eye - Expensive, not necessary but nice with wheels
Outpost Siege - A little slow similar to above, but often gives you many cards as people don't want to waste removal on it.
Skullclamp - Draw
Solemn Simulacrum - Draw and ramp
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Best chandra - Ramp, draw, removal and wincon all in 1
Sensei's Divining Top - Digging 3 cards deeper is always nice
Wayfarer's Bauble - Ramp
Gauntlet of Power - Helps you achieve kicker
Caged Sun - Read above
Deflecting Swat - Redirect removal, counterspells, targetted draw, etc... way too much utility to ignore
Urza's Incubator - Ramp
Be sure to let me know what you think of each suggestion. There are more tribal cards to consider but since I don't play tribal, they are not on the top of my head. Once we go through these, we can consider other tribal cards as well. Your biggest issues are lack of ramp and card draw. For a dragon deck, it's not bad.
2 weeks ago
Fanatic of Mogis - I've found him to be lackluster, what has your experience been with it, do you usually have enough devotion to make him meaningful?
Pia and Kiran Nalaar - Similar to above, but I see you have another theme of tokens and damage dealing ETB enchantments/cards. I just find the activated ability to expensive and slow. I would always rather play something from my hand.
Deflecting Swat - Such an amazing card, but if only Norin could stay. What has your experience been with it in Norin, I'm very tempted to slot one in.
Sculpting Steel - Same question as above?
What is your meta comprised of, power level?
Darksteel Citadel - What is the purpose of this, stealing an artifact with confusion?
Roiling Vortex - Meta call?
Cloudstone Curio - Experience with this card, ups and downs?
It feels you suffer from red's lack of card draw, to be addressed in suggestions below. You have virtual card advantage through looting, but little card advantage aside from wheels and a little others.
Tome of Legends - Best card for Norin ever printed. Don't sleep on this
Endless Atlas - Almost as good as above
Mind's Eye/Memory Jar - Top of the curve for draw but can help you out when you need then late game. Mind's eye is especially fun with wheels and Honor-Worn Shaku, as you use shaku + norin and mind's eye to draw during each opponents draw step.
Blast Zone - Speaking of red's weakness, this can work as enchantment removal.
I think you should cut some of the less impactful non basics and add more basics. This will fuel valakut and will help you with extraplanar lens - which itself is a very risky card.
A cool combo (not a serious suggestion but funny to note) is Ugin, the Ineffable + Top + Experimental Frenzy = Draw your whole deck. Each piece is good on it's own (maybe even frenzy in this deck given your lack of card draw?) and Ugin works as both card draw and enchantment removal.
Heat Shimmer + Dualcaster = Infinite Hasty Dualcasters, each piece is good on it's own. There are 1-2 other cards that work with dualcaster as well but escape me at the moment.
Light Up the Stage - With all your damage dealing, this is easy to cast, works well with top too, allowing you to knowingly be able to cast a card rather than risk it in exile.
Ignite the Future - Similar to above but flashback payoff has won me games.
Curse of Opulence - Ramp and politics. I recently had 2 games in a row in a 3 man pod where me and opponent #2 both cast this on opponent #3 on Turn 1. Very fun
Outpost Siege - Draw when you need it, damage when you don't, primarily used for draw in my experience
3 weeks ago
All of these suggestions are really great, thank you! I had Mind's Eye in there because I was worried about card draw but you make a really good point in that its way to expensive for this kind of deck and the card draw from Akiri, Fearless Voyager and other cards in the deck should be fine. Cathars' Crusade and Open the Vaults were cards that I was on the fence about but after seeing your suggestions I realized you were 100% right and they had no real business being in this deck. I have cut a good amount of cards including all the ones you listed as well as added a solid amount of new one's, much more confident in this version of the list.
3 weeks ago
Hiya! A few suggestions.
First off, your land count. You have an 8-cmc card, a 7-cmc card, plenty at 6-cmc, etc. If you want to keep that, you need more than the 34 lands you play. I recommend adding in two more lands.
Next is a few cards that I don't think should be in the deck. First off, Mind's Eye. You have access to early, reliable card draw in your command zone (Akiri even protects herself!) so you don't need to play bad card draw options like Mind's Eye. Mind's Eye works really well in ramp decks, this deck is not one of those. Next is Cathars' Crusade. This card synergizes really well with decks that pump out a ton of creatures (typically tokens). This deck is not one of those, so I suggest cutting it. Finally there is Open the Vaults. The amount of games that this is going to be really good is going to be less than the amount of games that this does nothing (or even helps your opponents more!).
Now for cards I recommend. For creatures we have Fervent Champion (another free equip creature) and Danitha Capashen, Paragon (makes equipment cheaper to cast!). Next we have some incredible pieces of removal in Path to Exile (just got reprinted so it's cheap!) and Winds of Abandon (hits one thing when you need it to, one-sided board wipe when you need it to be). Lastly, I recommend some more (and better) board wipes. Blasphemous Act, Wrath of God, Day of Judgment are all better than Rolling Earthquake and Akiri can even turn these board wipes into one-sided board wipes using her ability to give indestructible.
Other than these, I think you've got solid equipment, I think you got sooooolid interaction, and I think you've got some pretty threatening creatures.
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Thank you for your detailed response, it is much apprecaited as always. There are only 2 themes, land and power, Eldrazi used to be a theme. The 2x Kozilek's are to refill my hand once I drop all my lands, the ulamog is there for removal. My main goal in this deck is to get azusa out on T3, T2 if I get some ramp. Then use one of the many land tutors to search for either kozilek to refill my hand.
The sprinkle of going wide I recently tried to add as it fueled cradle but you are right, going wide doesn't work well. Its very hit or miss, 60% miss. I think by taking out going wide, and perhaps maybe Ulamog (I still need 2x Kozilek's for card draw, badly). Yes, I don't run a lot of interaction myself, I use the excuse of being green and hoping my opponents will kill each other. Not the best strategy, but a fun one.
Zendikar Resurgent - It's been helpful, but I can cut it. Its one of those cards I pay 7 mana for and unless I use it the same turn, they blow it up or else things get out of hand too quickly.
Shamanic Revelation - Super hit or miss. When it works, it works, when it doesn't, it draws me one card. I should note its super fun with rude awakening, but yeah, it's my primary cut for sure.
MAYBE Regal Force - Only ever good with Avenger, Baloths and Titania as it does not synergize with field of the dead of even rude awakening sadly. I want your thoughts on this as it is one of my targets for tooth and nail. Tooth and nail usually goes Greenwarden + Ulvenwald --> Cradle/Deserted temple, bringing back T&N. Then next turn cast T&N to bring Avenger + Regal. Outside of that, it draws me maybe 1-3 cards otherwise. Idk if it's worth it or what to replace it with.
MAYBE Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger - I like him because I use him with Sanctum to find either Kozilek. But its 10 mana to exile 2 cards and eat a path to exile. Costs a lot?
Mind's Eye - I'm unsure about cutting this. With all of the wheels and card draw in my meta, this has saved me from many tight spots. If I were to cut it, I might replace it with a Memory Jar, or perhaps just add in memory jar in place of one of the above cards.
Boundless Realms - WAY too good to ignore. Landfall triggers with baloths, field of the dead triggers, thinning the deck and ramping. This card has been an allstar and even with my relatively low basic count, it still puts in work.
Lightning Greaves - So simple.....idk why I haven't thought of it? Let me give that some serious consideration. I'm pretty sure you're right. Plus its nice to have an additional haste outlet, whether its to swing with only 1 creature after G-waving my entire deck onto the field and they remove akromas, or to give whatever land came onto the battlefield haste from rude awakening.
Crashing Drawbridge - I would add concordant crossroads before I add this. I don't need too much haste, it's not so much aggro as is value.
Green Sun's Zenith - EVERYONE recommends this card to me, I feel like I should add it just for that reason. Finding only green creatures is what bothers me, but I can definitely see it's potential. I'm going to seriously consider this as I think you are right, similar to lightning greaves.
Dryad Arbor - The potential T1 ramp with GSZ does not outweight the fragility of the land as a creature and it's lack of haste. I've often found decks that use GSZ to get Arbor T1 often just boardwiped quickly in my experience, it has happened time and time again in my meta.
Finale of Devastation - The concept of more creature tutors is intriguing for sure. It also acts as a late game haste outlet/finisher which is nice to have. I like the flexibility of it. Again, needs serious consideration. Thank you for bringing this (and others) to my attention.
Ancient Greenwarden - With life from the loam, CoW, Ramunap, I wasn't sure if I needed more redundancy. However, I think you're right. It's second ability is nice with baloths, field, avenger so I'm excited to see how that works. I'm most probably adding this.
Nissa, Vastwood Seer - Already in the deck, a pet card of mine. Not that impactful, but lowkey and helpful enough to give you value without being a target :)
For the distinction of going tall vs wide, I agree, taller is better. I've considered Return of the Wildspeaker, still not sure. Let me think about it. Prowling serpopod is nice, but I try not to put in too many slots just to deal with one of the many colors which I may or may not deal with. I have boseju and cavern for anti blue, I feel it is usually enough. Azusa fills the spot of wayward, hence me not running exploration/burgeoning despite my relatively high land count. I already put most of my lands on the field, so I don't need more land drops, I just need more card draw, desperately. Kogla is cool, nice synergy with Azusa too. Seems like more of a beater that doesn't have synergy with the deck unlike Multani/Ulvenwald, so it doesn't seem right at the moment. Then again, I should add more interaction in the deck so I will see...
Your comments have been very thought provoking, I need time to process it.
1 month ago
This is a very interesting deck I think. It’s different in that almost half your deck is lands. Also, you have a lot of different ideas going on here: land matters, power matters, eldrazi aggro, with a sprinkle of going wide. That probably creates a challenging deckbuilding balancing act. You might be spreading yourself too thin by having all those things in one deck. Especially because you have so few spots for supporting themes because your high land count. My main tip is: see if you can reduce the amount of themes for a higher focus and synergy. I've found that taking out one or two of such themes out and use them as the inspiration for a new deck can be very rewarding.
What I also noticed is that your list is quite a “glass cannon” kind of build. If it works, it works well, but I expect it is also relatively susceptible to be blown out by interaction. You also don't run a lot of interaction yourself. That’s not really my thing, as my meta would punish me too hard for trying. This tells me we play in very different environments, so take my suggestions with a grain of salt ;).
There a few cards here I would consider to cut:
- Zendikar Resurgent, Shamanic Revelation: These don’t synergize with your themes very well. You only run about 20 creatures, so resurgent is not going to draw that many cards. And with only 4 token makers, shamanic revelation is not really ideal either.
- Mind's Eye: I don’t think this card is worth running in edh anymore. Especially in green. Very slow and expensive.
- Boundless Realms: You don’t run a lot of landfall pay-offs. Perhaps a card that is a payoff by itself is a better use here.
Cards I would consider adding for better consistency
- Lightning Greaves: protects Azusa early and facilitates your eldrazi win-con later.
- Crashing Drawbridge: Another great haste enabler to facilitate your eldrazi aggro plan
- Dryad Arbor, Green Sun's Zenith and Finale of Devastation: in this deck I imagine you want access to Ramunap Excavator probably every game, so running GZS and FoD are a no-brainer imo. Adding Dryad Arbor is the icing on the cake to also have 2 more rampant growths in your deck for when Cow or Ramunap are already in your hand. I’d probably cut a few of the land tutors to make room for them: Sylvan Scrying and Realms Uncharted. I would also rate creature tutors over Seek the Horizon, because ramunap + any fetch draws you more lands.
- Ancient Greenwarden: another ramunap effect that can be tutored up and has a high power.
- Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip: I like this card for increasing consistency.
Lastly, I would make a choice between growing tall and going wide. The power matters theme is probably a better match than the going wide one, as your Eldrazi aggro plan is already matching with that (however, landfall supports the going-wide route very well, so you could really go either way). Here are some contenders to consider if you decide to go for power matters:
- Return of the Wildspeaker: alternative to Shamanic revelation if you decide to embrace going tall.
- Prowling Serpopard, Wayward Swordtooth, Kogla, the Titan Ape: utility and hate creatures that support your strategy, while also providing a high power for your power matter cards.
Hope there are some ideas here that match with your vision for the deck.
GL & HF!