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December 4, 2019 1:43 p.m.
If you are wondering here are some links to builds that use Ice-Fang and Hexdrinker in the current Legacy Metagame on MTGGoldfish:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/legacy-u-g-merfolk#paper (Merfolk deck running a bunch of Hexy bois)
December 4, 2019 12:01 p.m.
I haven't found a tuned list. My point is that because of the heavy-combo metagame right now, if you use blue-tempo style interaction to rip up the opponent's hand and stop them from comboing, you just win if you resolve a threat. Historically delver lists use Delver of Secrets Flip since it is a 1 mana 3/2 flier. Currently Oko, Tarmogoyf and Gurmag Angler are used as well for this purpose in the most common Sultai Delver list. The issue is these threats are answered cleanly with countermagic. Abusing Cavern of Souls in a deck that can compare in terms of answers leads to those counterspells being useless on a threat. In terms of removal you have Ice-Fang Coatl being an uncounterable removal spell that draws a card. This means you have a better game against other fair blue decks like Dreadhords Arcanist decks and Delver.
The issue is the combo decks are much better when they are given more time to draw into their combo, since the threats in Snakes are worse than in other fair decks in terms of overall value. Arcanist draws and bolts and crushes other fair decks, whereas Delver is just more efficient than Hexdrinker, when they take the same spot.
Green Sun's Zenith is the reason that I think the deck can overcome this. By using it as another shuffle with Brainstorm you can get more out of it than it already gets, but it requires a lot of Green creature cards. Given Force of Negation and Force of Will require a lot of blue ones the deck is split trying to run a lot of blue-green cards, or wants to draw blue ones but have green ones in deck, the deck has consistency issues. If I can work those out this deck could function.
Ice-Fang is already played in the somewhat Fringe Bant-Snowko deck abusing Oko and Ice-Fang along with a Bant value-town deck. That walker-based strategy is strong, but lacks consistency as well, playing a nearly bant-control game and running all copies of Brainstorm and Ponder to make up for its consistency issues.
December 4, 2019 11:18 a.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi If you are wondering, the list seems like a version of Maverick and Delver, which is great against any fair matchup but requires the tutorable cards that deal with Ad Naus, Dredge, Reanimator, Sneak and Show, and lands to really get anywhere. Because of the strength of Hexdrinker , Stonecoil Serpent , Green Sun's Zenith , Force of Negation , Brainstorm , Force of Will , Ice-Fang Coatl , and a set of good interaction, the deck can hold its own as a tempo build, with absurdly efficient threats, interaction, and card draw.
December 4, 2019 10:22 a.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi The issue is that it being similar to Delver in nature as a deck just loses to the current iterations of storm, the most popular deck rn.
December 3, 2019 2:36 p.m.
I think Odric could be dropped pretty easily. You don't really win through combat, and while it has synergy with Karametra, it is a 4 mana 3/3 do-nothing most of the time.
December 2, 2019 2:26 p.m.
Using this package, theoretically the deck would be a legacy build, using Kaseto, Orochi Archmage and all. Idk how powerful the build could be, but I'd like to see it put up some results. My modern build felt tempo-y and strong but really struggled in the Shadow Matchups and the Future iterations of Urza started to beat it more as well.
December 2, 2019 11:37 a.m.
I feel like this deck has so many silver bullets, like Kaseto, Orochi Archmage against other creature decks you need to slip through or Seshiro the Anointed to finish that this list could use a Green Sun's Zenith package, using Dryad Arbor for ramp as well!
December 2, 2019 10:52 a.m.
kevintheflip just go to type rather than custom for the sort method, it only shows 100
November 29, 2019 9:42 a.m.
Foxfire_Celest In EDH that card has been banned for a while.
November 28, 2019 8:21 a.m.
I think Yisan is considered better, but it is sort of close?
November 25, 2019 1:24 p.m.
Neither of these are banworthy, so the question is which one is less impactful negatively if it does get banned, which would be the tutors. More people are negatively impacted if the colorless cards get banned.
November 25, 2019 10:12 a.m.
Contamination feels at home if we had Ophiomancer and Bitterblossom effects, but then I feel that Rankle, Master of Pranks is also a requirment, making us more of a normal black-stax build rather than a stax-aggro. I will look for other ways of improving that style and perhaps it is the best method!
November 22, 2019 1:56 p.m.
November 22, 2019 1:56 p.m.
I am going to try to update this list to be closer to my tester as soon as I playtest it. Currently more draw seems useful, as the deck runs out of gas fast, but I can consistently kill a player in a full cEDH pod, despite not being a super-competitive deck, it seems very playable, if built properly.
I am going to add Mindblade Render for some draw to my build, nice idea!
November 22, 2019 12:09 p.m.
Devotion requires a separate build, and would prolly need a commander that supports it like Erebos.
Otherwise I think I can build up a few pieces.
The main goal is to ramp, then drop a lock on the field with a wincon in SKittles. The issue is while Skittles is fast, it really needs a +1/+1 counter or a sword on it to get a whole turn faster at killing anyone.
I think Phyrexian Scriptures is perhaps worth it, since it lets us get that counter, is mass removal that saves our commander, AND it is mass exile, all for the price of Damnation , but I just dislike Damnation since it doesn't allow regeneration for our commander.
I am testing a bunch of cards like this.
November 22, 2019 11:44 a.m.
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