Black Vise

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Oldschool 93/94 Legal
Planechase Legal
Premodern Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Black Vise


As Black Vise enters the battlefield, choose an opponent.

At the beginning of the chosen player's upkeep, Black Vise deals X damage to that player, where X is the number of cards in his or her hand minus 4.

debuf on Last_Laugh

5 months ago


ok, so the 36 basics is not a placeholder and is meant to have a reliable source of mana

I forgot Oubliette even existed (I think I will add it but I will need to find something that can be replaced, the same thing for Chaos Warp.)

Black Vise did get him down to 29 or 26 before he could even do anything about it.

I will think about Archfiend of Depravity but I do think I will add Chaos Warp

Ferth on Fog Draw EDH

7 months ago

I got to play a bunch this weekend! The deck performed well I've updated the list to match what I've currently got, my local shop was missing some singles.

Generous Gift moved back to the maybeboard but only cause I couldn't buy it this weekend.

I found that the deck worked quite well but I obviously couldn't close out games. I had a few scenarios where Selvala, Explorer Returned could repeat pretty much forever thanks to Sword of the Paruns or Umbral Mantle and Smothering Tithe + 4 players in the game. Flipping my commander till deck out was too painful to ever actually do so games ended with scooping.

The take away is that I need to be able to end games just to save everybody's sanity. More things like Felidar Sovereign and Psychosis Crawler are needed. Helix Pinnacle is a meme and I'll basically never pull it off. So here is the maybe board for actually finishing games.

Viseling Storm Seeker Black Vise Iron Maiden Sword of War and Peace

Some other cards that look interesting to me are Credit Voucher to help me find the above win conditions and Champions of Minas Tirith as another tax. I found that the deck was excellent at filling everybody's hands as expected.

carpecanum on Fast Bnuy

1 year ago

Your creatures are low power so maybe Meekstone, Citywide Bust or Fell the Mighty. Crackdown maybe.

Black Vise if your opponents start getting big hands.

Illusionist's Gambit and Reins of Power can make aggro decks take each other out instead of you.

legendofa on Help me torture

1 year ago

Hand = hurting: Black Vise, Ebony Owl Netsuke, Iron Maiden, Misers' Cage, Sword of War and Peace

Bounce: Blood Clock, Crystal Shard, Surgical Skullbomb, Umbilicus

Standard stax/tax effects: Smokestack, Tangle Wire, Winter Orb, Thorn of Amethyst, God-Pharaoh's Statue, Damping Sphere, Trinisphere, Sphere of Resistance, Cursed Totem, Static Orb, Meekstone, Norn's Annex, Mindlock Orb

Artifact creatures with these effects: Viseling, Neurok Replica, Esper Sentinel

Pulled mostly from EDHrec, and I only hit the highlights.

Andromedus on Waste not, want not, greed not

1 year ago

Oops! You're right, I was indeed thinking of Black Vise. I play more legacy than modern tbh and get those two mixed up.

In any case, one more thing I wanted to mention. I see lifegain as a problem for this deck. Some sideboard you may want to consider: Erebos, God of the Dead, Everlasting Torment, Knight of Dusk's Shadow, Rampaging Ferocidon, Roiling Vortex, or Tibalt, Rakish Instigator are all possible options.

Daveslab2022 on Waste not, want not, greed not

1 year ago


The Rack doesn’t do any damage if your opponent has 3 or more cards in hand. You are thinking of Black Vise, which is not modern legal.

Triton on The Legacy of the Igniter

1 year ago

Here's a good list to start from, based on the EDHREC page for Darigaaz:

Rites of Flourishing Stormfist Crusader Balor Heartwood Storyteller Peer into the Abyss Unquenchable Fury Vicious Shadows Tainted Strike

Thoughtseize isn't good in commander unfortunately, since you're only removing one of your opponent's cards in hand. There are also a solid amount of Black Vise effects to choose from, love seeing some group hug and slug that isn't Nekusar!

Besides those more fun cards, I think it is super important to include as much ramp as you can for this deck, you'll want as much as possible to get away with all the junk!

Hope this helps and keep Junding em out!

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