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Format | Legality |
1v1 Commander | Legal |
Archenemy | Legal |
Canadian Highlander | Legal |
Casual | Legal |
Commander / EDH | Legal |
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Custom | Legal |
Duel Commander | Legal |
Highlander | Legal |
Legacy | Legal |
Leviathan | Legal |
Limited | Legal |
Oathbreaker | Legal |
Oldschool 93/94 | Legal |
Planechase | Legal |
Premodern | Legal |
Quest Magic | Legal |
Tiny Leaders | Legal |
Vanguard | Legal |
Vintage | Legal |
Rules Q&A
Black Vise
Artifact
As Black Vise enters the battlefield, choose an opponent.
At the beginning of the chosen player's upkeep, Black Vise deals X damage to that player, where X is the number of cards in his or her hand minus 4.
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halanvaina on Mono Red Control/Mill (Premodern)
1 month ago
Forgot about other stuff and sideboard updates.
I see the problem with the 5 mana stuff, so I added a couple Helm of Awakening to try and reduce the cost a little. Has to be colorless since almost all of my 5 drops are artifacts. Speaking of 5 drops, i added a single Mangara's Tome as a way to kind of tutor with a added risk. More tweaking foreseeable in the future. I know it's jank, no need to tell me.
As for the sideboard I took out Black Vise for Red Elemental Blast. Forgot what I took out, but I put 3 Burnout in there. Added a couple Tangle Wire, leave the creature hate alone and I think it's fine.
Also as for the whole Dwarven Ruins thing, I'm actually debating if I should replace those, or take out two mountains for the Balduvian Trading Posts. Again I'm very much in debate over this.
debuf on Last_Laugh
7 months ago
ok, so the 36 basics is not a placeholder and is meant to have a reliable source of mana
I forgot Oubliette even existed (I think I will add it but I will need to find something that can be replaced, the same thing for Chaos Warp.)
Black Vise did get him down to 29 or 26 before he could even do anything about it.
I will think about Archfiend of Depravity but I do think I will add Chaos Warp
Ferth on
Fog Draw EDH
9 months ago
I got to play a bunch this weekend! The deck performed well I've updated the list to match what I've currently got, my local shop was missing some singles.
Generous Gift moved back to the maybeboard but only cause I couldn't buy it this weekend.
I found that the deck worked quite well but I obviously couldn't close out games. I had a few scenarios where Selvala, Explorer Returned could repeat pretty much forever thanks to Sword of the Paruns or Umbral Mantle and Smothering Tithe + 4 players in the game. Flipping my commander till deck out was too painful to ever actually do so games ended with scooping.
The take away is that I need to be able to end games just to save everybody's sanity. More things like Felidar Sovereign and Psychosis Crawler are needed. Helix Pinnacle is a meme and I'll basically never pull it off. So here is the maybe board for actually finishing games.
Viseling Storm Seeker Black Vise Iron Maiden Sword of War and Peace
Some other cards that look interesting to me are Credit Voucher to help me find the above win conditions and Champions of Minas Tirith as another tax. I found that the deck was excellent at filling everybody's hands as expected.
carpecanum on
Fast Bnuy
1 year ago
Your creatures are low power so maybe Meekstone, Citywide Bust or Fell the Mighty. Crackdown maybe.
Black Vise if your opponents start getting big hands.
Illusionist's Gambit and Reins of Power can make aggro decks take each other out instead of you.
legendofa on Help me torture
1 year ago
Hand = hurting: Black Vise, Ebony Owl Netsuke, Iron Maiden, Misers' Cage, Sword of War and Peace
Bounce: Blood Clock, Crystal Shard, Surgical Skullbomb, Umbilicus
Standard stax/tax effects: Smokestack, Tangle Wire, Winter Orb, Thorn of Amethyst, God-Pharaoh's Statue, Damping Sphere, Trinisphere, Sphere of Resistance, Cursed Totem, Static Orb, Meekstone, Norn's Annex, Mindlock Orb
Artifact creatures with these effects: Viseling, Neurok Replica, Esper Sentinel
Pulled mostly from EDHrec, and I only hit the highlights. https://edhrec.com/themes/stax
Andromedus on
Waste not, want not, greed not
1 year ago
Oops! You're right, I was indeed thinking of Black Vise. I play more legacy than modern tbh and get those two mixed up.
In any case, one more thing I wanted to mention. I see lifegain as a problem for this deck. Some sideboard you may want to consider: Erebos, God of the Dead, Everlasting Torment, Knight of Dusk's Shadow, Rampaging Ferocidon, Roiling Vortex, or Tibalt, Rakish Instigator are all possible options.
Daveslab2022 on
Waste not, want not, greed not
1 year ago
The Rack doesn’t do any damage if your opponent has 3 or more cards in hand. You are thinking of Black Vise, which is not modern legal.
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