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Oops, good catch killerkat132 and SynergyBuild. I fixed the mistake.

Hey Profet93, great suggestions! I’ve been debating whether to include the rings combo and Yawg’s Will for a while. I had forgotten Helm of Obedience, thanks! The Helm plus Voids are a 2-piece kill combo that seem more likely to achieve than relying on Magus of the Coffers. While including the Magus for the chance of generating infinite mana is nice, if the combo is just not competitive then it’s not worth including. By the way, I am trying to approve your suggestions, but the site seems to be glitching.

SynergyBuild, thanks for putting that list together, awesome!!! I am pulling from it and refining my list. This seems like a promising archetype. Let me know how your testing goes!

Thanks SynergyBuild, I am trying to figure out ways to deal with the issues you brought up. I know this deck is weak to other black decks that utilize discarded cards and the graveyard. I made room for Nihil Spellbomb, Soul-Guide Lantern, and I’m also considering Relic of Progenitus and Sentinel Totem. I also like these cards because they can always draw me a card, even if the graveyard wiping isn’t necessary, unlike Tormod's Crypt.

The Gitrog Monster and a few other combo decks are tricky because they can’t be stopped once they go off. I included Bitter Ordeal, Praetor's Grasp, and Pithing Needle as ways of removing combo pieces like Dakmor Salvage before they can be played.

I think I’m getting closer. What do you y’all think?

SynergyBuild, I followed your advice and made some major changes to the deck. Your comment inspired me to do a deep dive in EDH world, and I think this build is a lot more competitive now. I am curious what you and others think about the changes.

SynergyBuild, I appreciate your input. My knowledge of the EDH meta is lacking and I could use more guidance from people like you who spend more time with the format. I’ve played a lot of Modern and wish I had more time to dive into EDH. I would love to hear more detailed suggestions when you have the time. My goal is to try to make Tinybones as competitive as possible. It would be interesting for a Mono-Black deck to have a chance against multi-colored decks, if it’s possible. It’s going to take some time to refine it.

stinkybot and Daveslab2022, y’all are welcome!

And thank you for your comment SynergyBuild, great points! I’m conflicted with Dark Confidant. This is the thought process I used when deciding whether to run Bob:

Pros: Increased draw potential. Bob can be cast turn 1 and immediately helps dig for more lands. If Bob’s life-loss gets out of hand, you can kill him via board wipes. With less 5+ CMC cards, the deck will be more consistent if you don’t draw ramp.

Cons: I think the handful of 5+ CMC cards in this build are important for it to function properly. I worry that all the life-loss from Tinybones, Bob, Necropotence, etc. may be excessive. Asylum Visitor is Bob-lite with Madness. The deck has the potential to generate so much mana that’s it’s a shame to not run at least a few 5-6 CMC cards. Plus Necro lets me draw what I need at the cost of 1 life per card and is harder to remove.

Based on this analysis I decided not to run Bob. But since you suggested it, I will make a parallel list which runs Bob and fewer high CMC cards to test it out.

Cling to Dust is a great suggestion, I will consider what to cut for it. And Mikokoro, Center of the Sea is a card I overlooked since it gives your opponent a card, but you bring up an excellent point about Thassa's Oracle, so I’m cutting a Swamp for it.

And 0rc, go for it! The Magus/Mantle combo has been around for a while. :)

You could also run fetchlands like Marsh Flats and mainboard some Godless Shrines. I know this is a lot of life loss, so you may have excluded these for that reason. Also, the fetchlands allow you to search for Witch's Cottage if you need to bring back a Death's Shadow.

Hey keizerbuns, I like your deck! I’m not sure if you are on a budget, but I have a few suggestions you may like:

I would move the Surgical Extraction to the sideboard and drop the Cathedral Membrane and Phyrexian Arenas. In their place I would run 4 Street Wraith for “free” drawing and include 4 Thoughtseize to preemptively remove threats.

I would also include at least 2 Bitterblossom on the sideboard to boost your defensive capabilities against decks with flyers. I don’t see any creature removal in the 75. You may want to make room for a few Dismember too.

Thank you casual_competitive and stinkybot!

I recommend the following changes to make this build more budget-friendly:

Chains of Mephistopheles -> Mind Rake or Imp's Mischief

Mana Crypt -> Lotus Petal or Arcane Signet

Imperial Seal -> Insidious Dreams

Vampiric Tutor -> Diabolic Tutor

Liliana of the Veil -> Syphon Mind

Thoughtseize -> Mire's Toll

Also, you can take out the 5 fetchlands for 5 Swamps.

Awesome deck and concept 0rc! I especially like how you can pull off running only 2 lands, seems like a lot of fun!

Hey jaymc1130, thank you for your input!! I agree that Geth's Grimoire is very effective with Words of Waste. I initially questioned whether to include the Grimoire because of its cost, but your explanation sealed the deal for me.

Before I can answer your question in detail, I need to test the deck out more. I made several changes as suggested by abby315 and I think the deck is stronger now. I have encountered a lot of graveyard hate recently, and most of the other Black, Red, and/or Green discard-oriented decks I have come across use reanimation or depend on the graveyard in some way. I am attempting a different strategy with this deck to mitigate this weakness. Library of Leng is especially useful because it allows you to protect your discarded cards from Planar Void, etc. and draw them back at will with Necropotence.

Abzan is an interesting color combination for discard I haven’t explored before. I like your list and I found the comments very informative as well. While I agree with the analysis on your deck page regarding mono-color EDH builds (this is my first attempt at Mono-Black), I think Tinybones presents a unique situation due to its cost (playable turn 1), built-in draw engine, and win-con rolled into one. Put this together with consistent mana sources and a low mana curve, and together this may be a winning combination. When I have done more testing I will definitely let you know.

Awesome suggestions abby315, thanks!!! This helps a lot, I appreciate it. I will consider your recommendations carefully.

You’re probably right about that, but I think Tinybones (also known as Tiny Frank Castle) is a sleeper because he’s super cheap to cast, doesn’t need to rely on the graveyard, and has a built-in win-con. But we’ll see!

Same here RNR_Gaming, my group is very chill and we proxy whatever we like to make the most optimal decks. Also part of the fun for me is starting with a deck of proxies and slowly replacing them with real cards until I complete it!

abby315, thank you for commenting! Great points, I have taken your advice and made room for Noetic Scales and Asylum Visitor. I had missed the interaction between the Scales and opponent upkeep discard effects until you mentioned it! I like Plaguecrafter too, I’ll consider squeezing it in.

I’m glad you picked up No Mercy from my list, it is very effective.

My goal is to make this build as competitive and brutal as possible, so if you have any cEDH specific advice, I would love to hear it!

Thank you for your comment RNR_Gaming! You’re right, the Chains are awesome...I was hesitant to include it because I do not own one, but it makes the build very solid. I’m going to proxy it for now and work on obtaining one.

I like the direction you go in your Tiny Stax deck! You and abby315’s builds are great and have been very useful for me. If either of you or anyone else has any further suggestions, I welcome them! :)

Hey FiveEightFiveBC, I apologize for never getting back to you, I missed your comment back when you posted it. Thank you for your suggestions! Your deck list looks good too!

KittyFaye, I know I haven’t updated this deck in a while, but I am planning on it. When I do, I will let you know :)

Thank you for the kind words Balaam__!! I really appreciate it. I’m glad my descriptions are useful to you. Writing them helps me understand my own decks better. But I must give the credit for this build to Obial. The original Angel’s Harem deck is very effective! All I did was play around with it and add Red :)

Thank you very much for your insight Obial!!! Your comments helped me realize that I’ve been approaching this deck incorrectly as aggro instead of midrange. I followed your advice and pulled the Dragon Tempests. I’m going to try a single Embercleave, which seems like it will work really well, and focus more on lifegain with another Lightning Helix and Bishop of Wings for now :)

Thanks for your comment Obial!! Playing around with your concept has been a lot of fun!

I’m not familiar with Pioneer, but your deck looks great! It’s cool how there are so many new angels to choose from. It’s refreshing after playing black for so many years lol

Another great suggestion zapyourtumor, thanks!! Brutal! I will have to play against it lol