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Candelabra of Tawnos
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Candelabra of Tawnos Discussion
12 hours ago
Personally I would playtest or ask your playgroup, if they're ok with it, run them, if not theres tons of blue filler available, yea he is not a leovold in the command zone, but the 3 card combo maralen, mindlock and taigam seems very similar to functionality as Notion Thief plus a Windfall in my nekusar, i guess the comparison i meant was more of a "draw denial" theme.
I may have spoken from experience, but the "color hate" im referring to is more the card pools, my playgroup is very high end so legacy cards like Force of Will Mana Drain Timetwister Chains of Mephistopheles The AbyssNether Void Jace, the Mind Sculptor Imperial Seal Vampiric Tutor Mana Crypt and Candelabra of Tawnos, obviously there are other budgetless cards in white red and green, but blue/black in a legacy pool is perhaps the strongest 2 color, the most prominent example being Underground Sea and it being one of the most expensive dual lands.
In a budgetless playgroup, black and bluehas the scariest selection of spells, its also the colors needed to run the competitive storm archetype due to needing black for Doomsday and blue for Laboratory Maniac and a "draw 4 cards" spell such as Read the Runes or Breakthrough in the doomsday pile, and those decks are definition of unfun, turn swamp, Dark Ritual, Doomsday putting lab maniac on bottom, then win in 5 or less turns when you cast LM and draw with 0 cards in deck... Laboratory Maniac is EXTREMELY useful in mill decks for obvious reasons: opponents die to mill but you dont
13 hours ago
It looks like the deck is coming along well. I would highly suggest reconsidering Recurring Insight despite not stacking with Taigam because it is oneof the most efficient draw spells that blue has to offer. It's also to remember that sometimes Taigam won't be available so it's important that your deck has some backup plans.
For high tide, there is also Candelabra of Tawnos but I avoided mentioning it because it would be the most expensive card in your deck. There's also Capture of Jingzhou for another Time Warp copy if you've got extra money to spend.
Seeing the updated list my feedback would be to cut some of the cards that return things to hand from grave because you really don't need that many and will be stuck with them in your hand often. If you want a similar effect there's Archaeomancer, which can also make infinite turns with a rebounded Essence Flux (or something similar) and a Time Warp effect (that doesn't exile itself).
Instead of having so many Call to Mind effects, I think some of them could be replaced with draw spells to make everything more consistent. Anyway, good luck on the deck!
4 days ago
Good news and bad news:
The good news: Almost every piece of the deck is relevant. I'm assuming that Kher Keep and Ghitu Encampment are for blocking purposes, and that your burn is for removal or maybe occasional lethal, since your wincon is Adamaro and the Kederekt Parasite engine.
The bad news: You don't have very good card choices. While Lightning Bolt and Terminate are solid cards, I've never seen Searing Blaze outside Pauper. You have a lot of ETB tapped lands, which could result in having no turn one plays. Rakdos Carnarium and similar lands are really only good if you can untap them with something like Candelabra of Tawnos and Rocky Tar Pit is much worse than Bloodstained Mire. In Legacy, you're going to need Badlands or at least Blood Crypt. As for the nonland cards, many of them are interesting but irrelevant. Urza's Armor is a great way to counter the damage from Spiteful Visions, but the fact of the matter is that without any ramp, you're almost never going to cast a 6cmc card before the game ends. Kederekt Parasite itself needs a red permanent on board, which can be removed in response to triggers. And the Words cycle, including Words of War, while a cool idea, are a never going to be good because, especially in Legacy, paying mana to not draw cards is a very bad idea.
Basically, the deck works, but is far too slow for a format in which decks can consistantly win earlier than turn 4. My guess is that this is meant for casual, in which case this is a really cool idea that would definately work. If this is the case, for future reference, Casual and Legacy are two very different formats.
5 days ago
In the Eye of Chaos is very clever, but keep in mind that if someone removes Taigam before your next upkeep, you'll have to pay the X for each of your rebounded instants. Same concept for Chalice of the Void.
No Capture of Jingzhou? Why?
You're much more heavily into blue, and you already have Jace VP. Have you thought about adding Candelabra of Tawnos and High Tide? You'd need to shift the manabase a little but having two HT turns is pretty neat.
Time Spiral would be pretty great to rebound, as you'd get to throw out 6 mana worth of instants for free on your next upkeep.
Swap Pongify for Reality Shift. It gives you an extra wincon by putting it on Isochron Scepter w/ Paradox Engine in play. (Add in Copy Artifact or Sculpting Steel and you can do it with just Dramatic Scepter.)
Things you could cut:
Scroll Rack, It's good, but you have a ton of draw already, and it doesn't interact with much else here.
Silence, Maybe. Your stuff is uncounterable anyway.
1 week ago
Yeah man, those cards are just too slow in a deck that wants to win on turn 3. We generally don't have enough lands for coffers and it's dead on it's own, so not good enough. Ghast is also a 4cmc card which comes down too late to be relevant. I think I'd play Candelabra of Tawnos again before that since ghast is just too slow. I appreciate the upvote though man, have a good night LeonDaniels
1 week ago
BMHKain There is the mono-blue storm listed with Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip as the commander. Sure, Timetwister and Candelabra of Tawnos are a thing, but at least you could allocate your finances to those pieces instead of having to purchase the ABUR (Alpha/Beta/Unlimited/Revised duals).
3 weeks ago
Archwizard Just have two primary questions: 1) Is it worth running High Tide if one isn't going to have a Candelabra of Tawnos? I mainly ask this question because I understand its not everyone can afford a CoT 2) Have you found Stonybrook Banneret to be that effective of a wizard? I mainly just wonder if the static ability to cheapen wizards is super relevant with so few wizards (outside of your commander, you don't really get that huge of an impact like you would though Sapphire Medallion, which I notice is in the list and support it). If you were to consider replacing the wizard, what would you replace it with?
3 weeks ago
Sigi, I am surprised to see Candelabra of Tawnos in a list that does not run High Tide. Has it proven more useful then Merchant Scroll or Intuition? It seems in theory to be much more situational than the above listed tutors which can get Dramatic Reversal or protection before attempting to combo.