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Gilded Lotus Discussion
1 day ago
Consider adding some of these: Dissipate, Capsize, Into the Roil/Expel from Orazca, Wizard's Retort, Swan Song, Rite of Replication, Unwind, Myriad Landscape, Reliquary Tower, Thought Vessel, Disallow, Spell Swindle, Merchant Scroll, Muddle the Mixture, Aphetto Alchemist, Siren Stormtamer, and Gilded Lotus.
Here are the changes I would start with however, swap Syncopate for Disallow. Then Spell Pierce for Swan Song, Disappearing Act for Wizard's Retort, Divination for Dig Through Time or Preordain, swap Silent Departure for Into the Roil, Capsize, or Expel from Orazca, swap Dispel for Muddle the Mixture, Aether Spellbomb for Fellwar Stone or Sky Diamond (More mana rocks will help for what i'm suggesting below if you want to consider that route), and Tamiyo's Journal for Gilded Lotus (As you just don't have enough ways to make clue tokens, and it's kind of slow anyways. Instead focus on making lots of mana, tapping and untapping your creatures to draw lots of cards).
There is also of course Mind Over Matter and I have one myself, it is a very powerful card that pairs well with things like Temple Bell, Psychosis Crawler, even Azami, Lady of Scrolls. But admittedly it is quite expensive of course, I just thought I would make you aware of this card nonetheless. You listed the deck as budget, but I wasn't sure to what degree this means, whether that's no card over $10-$15 or what.
Dramatic Reversal is another one I highly recommend, it could be sweet if you pair this with an Isochron Scepter, and that's why cards like Long-Term Plans, Merchant Scroll, Mystical Tutor, Fabricate you could more often have these. Then you can either make a ton of mana, or perhaps even infinite if you have a bunch of mana rocks out and or Paradox Engine. You could win then by casting stuff like Blue Sun's Zenith, Stroke of Genius, among other things.
Depending on how much your willing to spend other ideas include: Rhystic Study, Mind Over Matter as previously mentioned, Patron Wizard, Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, Laboratory Maniac maybe could be good here, Maze of Ith, Riptide Laboratory, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Tolaria West, Path of Ancestry, and Sensei's Divining Top (Just ordered one of these myself in fact last night, it is such a useful card that can be used in a lot of decks imo).
I know I suggested more to include than what I suggested to in turn remove, I can help more with this if you haven't solved it all yourself already once i'm done with exams in 3 days. In the meanwhile I recommend you visit the website edhrec.com wihich might be a lot of help to you if your not already familiar with it!
2 days ago
Yes I've built it several times. It's fun. But you need lots of mana for it to be fun. It's a tier 3 CMDR at best. You'll need lots of good ramp. Like mana doublers. Caged Sun, and Extraplanar Lens. You need to focus on what black does best when considering mana ramp. Cabal Coffers, Magus of the Coffers, Nirkana Revenant, and Crypt Ghast. utilize the fact that you'll be mono black so cards like. Nightmare Lash, Lashwrithe, and Strata Scythe. You need big finishers that use big mana. Exsanguinate, and Torment of Hailfire. You'll want to try to have a few ways to stay in control early. Royal Assassin creatures, and some deathtouch creatures. You'll be killing selected creatures so Mimic Vat it good here. You want to make your CMDR more effective, so you'll want Illusionist's Bracers, and Rings of Brighthearth to copy Kalitas's effect throw in Basalt Monolith to make infinite colorless mana when paired up with the Rings of Brighthearth. You'll want to have Grave Betrayal as well this pairs up well with Kalitas. You are gonna need Command Beacon because if and when Kalitas dies. It will be hard recasting her after she dies 1 or 2 times. And you can do a reanimation theme as well where you can pick from graves at will with cards like Animate Dead, Rise from the Grave, Rise of the Dark Realms, and Fated Return. You'll need your basic edh packages. The Worn Powerstone, Sol Ring, Thran Dynamo, Burnished Hart, Gilded Lotus ramp package. About 4 board wipes. Decree of Pain, Archfiend of Depravity, Black Sun's Zenith, Mutilate. You'll need some other targeted removal and control. Withering Boon to stop etb effects that might threaten you, Imp's Mischief to redirect targeted spells. Sadistic Sacrament for the combo decks. And Praetor's Grasp for the same, or use it to grab a mana rock. Then throw in some strong combos that mono black does well. Mindcrank + Bloodchief Ascension or Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond. Along with a few other good ones. And some one shot heavy hitters. Like Sorin Markov, Tree of Perdition, and Blood Tribute. Follow the guidelines and you'll have a solid deck.
3 days ago
Yes, I think you are confusing things. Disallow cannot be cast to counter only part of the ability (such as the returning part of AEtherling or Conjurer's Closet). I have already pointed out my reasons for not including the Closet (mostly because it is a dead draw if you already have a way to blink Mairsil), but as far as the Aetherling goes: both the exile and the return are part of the ability's effect. If the ability is countered, Mairsil will not be exiled in the first place, and therefor also not be stuck in a 'permanent' exile. For Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang, this is different, since it specifically states that it will only return if the token is put into a graveyard. So any exile or effect which prevents it from hitting the 'yard will keep Mairsil exile, since its return condition can no longer be fulfilled. Aetherling or Closet do not have a condition: If Mairsil is exiled by it, it will also be returned.
You are correct as far as the restrictions on Quicksilver Elemental's abilities go, in that copying Mairsil's abilities will not instantly provide a way to go infinite. However, there are still ways in which things like infinite mana are possible. There is a different rule that states that any restriction on the activation of an ability which has been acquired from a different object applies only to that specific ability as acquired from that specific object, and does not affect different, otherwise completely identical, abilities. What this means is that every ability acquired from Mairsil by Quicksilver Elemental will have its own independent 1 per turn clause.
What this allows you to do is, for example, if you have Gilded Lotus and Morphling exiled with Mairsil, and have Quicksilver elemental in play (without summoning sickness), to tap Mairsil for 3 blue mana with the Lotus' ability, use one blue mana to copy all of his abilities onto the Quicksilver elemental. Next you can use another blue mana to untap the Elemental through Morphling's ability, then tap it again with the Lotus' ability for a total of 4 blue mana floating. At this moment you'll have used both abilities the Quicksilver Elemental copied from Mairsil, so you cannot use either of them again. What you can do, however, is activate Quicksilver's own activated ability again on Mairsil, and copy all of his activated abilities (again). At this point your Elemental has each ability of the Morphling and the Gilded Lotus twice, and you can use each of them once each turn. This allows you to tap it for 3 colored mana an additional time, untap it for one blue mana, then copy Mairsil's ability's again for a total of 5 blue mana. Rinse and repeat and you will leave you with infinite mana, and your Quicksilver Elemental with a shitload of activated abilities, which it can effectively use as often as needed, by copying them again.
Thanks for your suggestions! I see where you are going with them, but as I mentioned in my description, I'm really not looking for instant win combo's. That's not the way I like to play. Infinite mana I will allow, as long as it does not project an instant win condition.
5 days ago
To start, your card Sandsteppe Citadel is unusable because you can't have land that produce colors outside it's colors. You also can't use Gilded Lotus since it produces any color. Currently heading to bed but can test it tomorrow. Lastly add more mana, 30 is very low.
6 days ago
Thanks for commenting Chiberia, as you can see I've made some changes based on your view points. I wasn't one hundred percent committed to the super friends component of this deck so I dropped it out entirely. In its place I have added a few more infectious creatures as well as added some auxiliary creatures that support the main theme. As far as win-cons are concerned I feel that I have made it easier to maintain my board presence as well as combo out with my enchantments. As far as ramp is concerned, I rebuilt my land base to include the original dual lands and sacs so that mana fixing would be less of an issue. As well as throwing in Chromatic Lantern although I'm considering Gilded Lotus for that slot instead. It's not as much ramp as I'm used to running but I think it'll suffice.
1 week ago
multimedia, thank you for the feedback!
I tried out Gilded Lotus, but, at least in my experience, Powerstone Shard seems to be the way to go. Assembling the Powerstone combo generates much more mana, and the colored blue sources generated by Gilded Lotus are offset by having Prophetic Prisms. I'm still testing it, however, so the jury is still out on that one.
Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage and Board the Weatherlight definitely have a place in this deck, the white splash alone gives me some spicy and incredibly good options, like Fall of the Thran and Authority of the Consuls. Instant speed shenanigans on the opponent's turn has a much higher chance of actually working with Voltaic Servant in play as well, so there's definitely combo potential there. I guess I've got some deckbuilding to do ;)
1 week ago
Hey, looks good, great concept.
The interaction between Voltaic Servant and Powerstone Shard and Gilded Lotus seems very good here to make big mana for Ballista. Consider playing white for Board the Weatherlight and Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage especially Raff? Board is another two drop spell that can potentially find an artifact or Padeema, Karn, Raff, Fair. Raff lets you assemble the artifact combos and win condition Ballista at instant speed with flash.
Good luck with your deck.
1 week ago
I know in my group I will encounter that, so I won't think twice about running Ovinomancer haha. Probably needed to take Toxic Deluge out anyway since I don't fancy spending 7 on a single card, so I put Shauku in instead of that.
Also switched Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang for Gilded Lotus because I noticed I had very little ways to produce colored mana with Mairsil, which is quite important when trying to get infinite mana with Quicksilver Elemental (because you need to keep copying the abilities, as you can only use each of them once per turn). Not a win condition, but it can never hurt to have the possibility enabled. As much as I want to find a use for Tatsumasa, the fact that it only comes back if the Dragon token hits the yard makes Mairsil way too vulnerable for instant speed exile if I pop it (then Mairsil would just stay in exile and I'd have no way to get him back). Not worth the risk :P