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|From the Vault: Twenty (V13)||Mythic Rare|
|Magic 2013 (M13)||Rare|
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- Gilded Lotus + Karn, Silver Golem + Voltaic Construct
- Archaeomancer + Ghostly Flicker + Gilded Lotus
- Gilded Lotus + Morphling + Quicksilver Elemental
- Dramatic Reversal + Gilded Lotus + Isochron Scepter
- Dramatic Reversal + Gilded Lotus
- Gilded Lotus + Synod Artificer + Unbender Tine
- Gilded Lotus + Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient + Manifold Key
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Gilded Lotus occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.21%
UR (Izzet): 1.1%
WU (Azorius): 1.19%
WUB (Esper): 0.62%
UBR (Grixis): 0.65%
Gilded Lotus Discussion
4 days ago
These are all suggestions that will help make your deck function better as you can replace underperforming cards with ramp and card draw, both of which red desperately needs. Your land count is a little low given your avg cmc and your lack of ramp. I can imagine you have a hard time casting your higher cmc cards quite often
6 days ago
Burnished Hart has been a good creature in my Boros decks to get a little bit of ramp.
I’d work on getting Smothering Tithe into the main board as soon as you can since if it’s not answered then it will net you a lot of mana.
Neheb, the Eternal is a really good creature that can help you get a lot of mana if he sticks around and you are swinging in with your dragons.
1 week ago
manbearpig90, I care less about the initial cost of a mana-generating artifact and more about how long it takes to pay itself back.
For example, Arcane Signet, Gilded Lotus and Thran Dynamo each take only two turns to pay themselves back, so I have them in nearly ever EDH deck that I have built, but the artifacts in the diamond cycle (Sky Diamond, Charcoal Diamond, and so forth) take three turns to pay themselves back, so I do not use them; the one exception to that is Chromatic Lantern, because of its amazingly useful ability (and the fact that it can be used immediately, whereas the diamonds cannot be, also helps).
1 week ago
So, in 3 color deck, this is basically a Gilded Lotus, and it only gets better with more colors? Sure, that is a decent one.
1 week ago
Continuing where I left off.
continuing from creatures
Something to consider when addressing what to drop for my suggestions is how it affects your overall strategy and politics. Ashenmoor Gouger looks good because on paper it can deal damage, but consider what happens if you draw it 10 turns in and the table has all dug in for the long game. Hyper aggressive cards of the sort that do little else aren't going to help you after the first few turns. Hackrobat, Rakdos Firewheeler, Thrill-Kill Assassin, and the like are what you should look for when hacking cards out of the deck in the creature department. You might be gearing up to go fast and hit hard, but you still are playing the "long game", if you can even call it that.
Onwards we march, starting with the strict spell category. Here, you should be looking for either utility or pure power. Spot removal cards like Go for the Throat work in regular 60 card formats, but lose a ton of value as the game is slowed enough for that one spell to have a diminished effect because it can only hit a single creature, often to little effect. Now Bedevil, on the other hand, is outstanding because you can hold it for either an artifact or 'walker, thus expanding your range and making it always live and effective.
Allure of the Unknown - A huge resource generation spell. Additionally, it plays into politics well by letting an opponent (or friend) have a card. Gotta keep the train moving.
Bituminous Blast - Perhaps not the most clutch of cards, but at least worth considering since EDH is slow enough for these types of spells to put in work, mostly because Cascade is nuts. I'd understand if it didn't make the cut, though.
Captive Audience - Hilarious and effective. Instant enemy-maker, but if you haven't farted in the general direction of everyone at the table, others might turn a blind eye. In my experience, when Joe Shmoe poops out an army of dargons and you slap him with this, the table would generally point and laugh.
Cauldron Dance - A nice little shuffling of creatures, which is nice if you're rich in chunguses.
Kolaghan's Command - The best charm from its cycle, for good reasons. It's always live in EDH.
Spiteful Visions - Perhaps risky for politics, but it does put damage on board, thus making Rakdos live, and generates card advantage.
Beacon of Unrest - There will always be something in the grave, and self-recursion is a godsend in my books.
Scheming Symmetry - Helps your consistency and makes a friend.
Subversion - Nibbles at your opponents while sustaining yourself, and makes Rakdos live.
Generally any spell with X in its cost. As the game drags on, they only get better.
I did a brief skim of cards in Gatherer and from among my own decks, but don't be afraid to look at other decks or EDHRec for things that will help you. Just remember that your goal boils largely down to pinging to make Rakdos live, cards that Rakdos is payoff for, and utility general support that rounds out the deck.
Necessary gears to get the machine moving. Mostly it will boil down to mana rocks to accelerate your state, but there will be others that you want purely because they work well for you.
Commander's Sphere - Obvious utility.
Firemind Vessel - Perhaps slow, but produces plenty of mana.
Thought Vessel - A personal choice, but if you don't have enough draw power to fill your hand, then it's not worth the cash.
Tome of Legends - Easy draws.
Conqueror's Galleon Flip - Another personal choice, but I find that once it transforms, the advantage it generates does wonders, and as a deck stuffed with creatures that could crew it, the fit seems nice to me.
Here you can start to have some fun. Being 2-color, you do have to be somewhat mindful of what you're running, but you can definitely make use of a lot of offbeat lands since you're not trying to be a fool and mana fix 5 colors. Keep in mind that you may not necessarily need everything listed here, but it's just a matter of helping keep your ability to produce both colors consistent.
Temple of Malice - Slow lands may be unappealing, but Scrying usually helps.
Arch of Orazca - Yet another personal choice. All you need is to have 10 permanents at any point while controlling/playing a card with City's Blessing and you have it for the game. At which point, Arch becomes something to do with spare mana.
Command Tower - Staple.
Graven Cairns - Filter lands are always nice.
Rakdos Carnarium - Slow, yes, but in the long run gives more mana.
Shadowblood Ridge - Another pseudo Filter Land
I encourage you to think these things out on your own or ask friends about this part, because understanding the process of what and why things stay or go is important to understanding your deck. Below are my suggestions for what needs to get yeeted.
Ashenmoor Gouger/Hackrobat/Hellhole Flailer/Rakdos Firewheeler/Thrill-Kill Assassin/Rakdos Guildmage - All just don't do that much. Awesome to drop in the first turns, but soon are just fodder. They're nice fodder for Lysolda and Judith, but overall too narrow in use and too low impact.
Void Winnower/Blood Moon - As someone who wins almost all his games through player politics, I advise against these types of cards that choke the entire table. Like infinite combos kept as panic buttons in decks, you really only get to pull it once before the group starts remembering what you have up your sleeve. After that, you risk being targeted because they'll know what you have.
Phyrexian Obliterator - BBBB in 2-color is a bold move for what's essentially a 5/5 unblockable.
Dark Ritual/Doom Blade/Go for the Throat - I personally would cut them, but feel free to play around with at least the removal spells for consistency in board control. Ritual, however, is just not suited for this format.
Everlasting Torment - It's the only card of its type in your deck, and actually makes you vulnerable to getting chump blocked.
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth - Urborg serves almost no purpose in this deck.
Rakdos Guildgate - Guildgates are just packfiller.
Lava Axe - Shouting "Catch" while literally throwing this is hilarious, but the card's just horribly overcosted.
Anthem of Rakdos - You will lose a lot of games you shouldn't lose because of this.
Ob Nixilis, the Fallen - His Landfall is nice, but by nature isn't consistent, which is what you're looking for in ways to ping your opponent. Becoming a chungus is nice, but you're better off just skipping the hoops and playing an actual chungus.
Vial Smasher the Fierce - This one I'm not totally sold on cutting, but she seems more complicated than just running a pinger. Play around with her and see how Vial Smasher synergizes.
Master of Cruelties - Another I'm not totally sold on chopping, but he can only attack alone, which bottlenecks your options.
I know this all is sort of messy, but when making edits, start with comparable replacements (i.e. swapping a creature for a creature), run a few test turns, and see how things work.
1 week ago
lordlovat, I would very much like to see such lands, because it is ridiculous that WotC has not yet printed such a cycle (and, while I am discussing that, a full cycle of Nimbus Maze lands would be very awesome, as well).
TypicalTimmy, I suspected that that supposed leak was fake, but I still am disappointment to know for certain that it is, since it contained a very awesome mana-generating artifact that could have replaced Gilded Lotus in 4- and 5-colored EDH decks.
2 weeks ago
@king-saproling: (I apologize for mentioning you again; you okay there?)
OK. The Amount in question to cut has increased to 12 -> 15. But the stakes for cutting that much to 99 + 1 has never been more complicated. There are also some Key pieces I DON'T wish to call them quits for surprisingly decent Reasons. Here they are w/ Explanation & the like:
Meekstone: Uh, Oko, Thief of Crowns? YA RLY. Oko isn't just a Great Cook, he can turn an opponent's Creatures & Artifice to 3/3 Ability-less Elks. Tap them all, & your opponent's better have an option ready. But if you say Humility needs to be cut, do you think this combo can make for a better alt?
Teferi, Time Raveler: Uh, why? This card has High Synergy Value not just from Bouncing Stuff, but in particular: Wishclaw Talisman. These two are one of the best Combos for Superfriends. Just Tutor with the Claws...
Master Tang: THEY HURT LIKE CRAP, MAN! (No joke; he literally said that.)
...Bounce it before ANY opponent can nab it from you, & you got Synergetic Tutoring. The scariest part is that this Combo was very powerful while Teferi was around in Standard. YES. This was a legitimate Combo in Standard. Which also meant ARENA players had to deal with this Hell Clock. Ol' Master Tang himself wasn't kidding about his comment on Iron Claws.
(Reference of Note: Master Tang from Kung-Pow: Enter the Fist)
Ral Zarek: ... Err... Why no to him? He's got ALOT going here. He can Tap an Opponents Perms or Untap them, & yours too if you choose & Weiß Versa (There's a Bad Pun there). This can be set to Tap Artifacts & Creatures for stuff like Nahiri, the Harbinger to EXILE. These Perms don't even include the "Nonland" Restriction, so if an opponent has a response, you can Tap that land to restrict Mana Pool Levels. This also goes for their Rocks/Boulders to restrict their mana further. But in any way possible, as long as it is Not an Instant or Sorcery, IT'S A TARGET BEGGING TO BE WASTED OR EVEN REUSED. So much versatility, & the Scariest part? This ability increase Ral's Loyalty by +1. Not even 0 or even -1; this Loyalty Ability is not only potent, but it increases Loyalty. Though I will agree that -2 is lackluster in practice, though God help us all if Ral's -7 is altered in a way that the Amount of Heads in such a Game of Chance is blown to more than 5 shots for an Extra Turn each... XP Trust me, he's amazing.
That said, What would your Final 15 cuts be in your case? I'd keep what I said (& Lethal Vapors if I had a noncreature Perm that is a Multi-Targeting Pithing Needle) for the reasons just said, & they sound like fine points to me. I'll try all I can otherwise, but for now, What would be your 15 cards to cut here?
(Can't believe I cut Tezzeret, Artifice Master; maybe something can be cut for him back in... Still owe you big time.)
3 weeks ago
Thank you so much for the input! I really appreciate it. :D
Some of the suggestions i've already had in the deck prior and for some reason or the other i felt like they didn't work that well yet (a lack of skill might also be a reason here), but i'm really intrigued by:
Cauldron of Souls – would be even greater if i hadn't just taken out most of my ETBs :D
Empowered Autogenerator – that one might just be plain awesome, just because it slowly ramps me to lategame and my local meta is quite light on artifact removal.
Inspiring Statuary – I've had it in when i played fewer artifacts before then took it out. But looking at what the deck has become now, i'm seriously considering putting it back in!
Gilded Lotus – I have no idea why i took it out. Especially cause i'm a little light on the 5-drops and i prefer a smooth curve for my Kozilek counters. ;)