Whirlpool Rider
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Planechase Legal
Premodern Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Whirlpool Rider

Creature — Merfolk

When Whirlpool Rider enters the battlefield, shuffle the cards from your hand into your library, then draw that many cards.

multimedia on Spellweaver: The Deck

2 years ago

Hey, I'll first comment here then at a later time at your Zombie deck.

The theme you have here is called Spellslinger and with Spellslinger you want less creatures than normal, more instants as well as sorceries. Spellslinger is essentially control in Commander therefore the cards you tap out for need to be impactful. If you're new to the Spellslinger idea then overall with less than $200 budget you've done well so far, but you forgot Command Tower. You have several really nice cards, but also some stinkers that could be upgraded on a budget.

Consider more lands and ramp? To keep mana open at all times when you cast noninstant spells. 31 lands is low, not really enough land when you want to be making your land drops each turn. My advice is try 36 lands and 12 or more ramp sources. If you don't want to add more lands than instead add more low 1-2 CMC draw or best a combination of both.

If your primary win condition is Niv enchanted by Curiosity then you're going to want ways to shuffle all the cards in your hand back into your library. You'll want this effect to be able to keep drawing and doing damage with Niv since Niv only does damage to one target for each trigger. Ophidian Eye is another Curiosity. Each opponent will have 40 or more life thus you won't consistently have enough cards in your library to end all your opponents with Niv's damage without having more draw. Psychosis Crawler can help since it makes each opponent lose 1 life each time you draw a card.

Curiosity/Ophidian Eye is a may, you don't have to draw when you do damage with Niv. Because you can stop the combo then you can stop drawing so you don't draw from an empty library and lose the game. Stopping the combo also lets you cast a creature or sorcery to shuttle all cards from your hand back into your library to keep drawing and continue the combo. Whirlpool Warrior has this effect at least twice and Whirlpool Rider is only two mana.

The better cards for this effect are not budget options: Valakut Awakening  Flip, Winds of Change and Echo of Eons flashback. Awakening is an instant and Winds is only one mana.

Consider streamline/cut the creature base down to the 10-15 best creatures, less creatures the better and use the other spots for more instants?

A streamlined example of the current creature base (sorted by CMC):

  • Goblin Electromancer
  • Birgi, God of Storytelling
  • Guttersnipe
  • Veyran, Voice of Duality
  • Palladium Myr
  • Archmage Emeritus
  • Galazeth Prismari
  • Talrand, Sky Summoner

I'm also suggesting some creatures upgrades who most have better interaction with Niv:

Tandem Lookout soulbond to Guttersnipe/Electrostatic Field can draw a lot of cards because Lookout cares about any damage that the paired creature does and Guttersnipe does 2 damage to each opponent. You draw a number of cards equal to the number of opponents you have each time Guttersnipe triggers. Lookout is Curiosity, but the draw is not a may, you have to draw and Lookout can change who it's soulbond unlike auras.

Tandem Lookout can be soulbond to Niv, but it's risky because you can't stop the combo because you can't stop the draw without help. You'll need an instant way to shuffle all cards from your hand back into your library or an instant way to kill/bounce Lookout before you draw the rest of your library. If you don't do this you will lose the game from trying to draw from an empty library since you'll draw your entire library. Drawing your entire library can enable a win condition of Laboratory Maniac or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and Jace has the advantage that he can draw card/cards to trigger Niv.

I've suggested a lot of card upgrades and hopefully given you advice to think about. Let me know your thoughts and if you would like me to continue in another comment including more cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.

legendofa on Please help:)

2 years ago

Depends on the format. Brainstorm can put cards from your hand on top of your library, as can its descendent Brainstone . Scroll Rack is similar. Lat-Nam's Legacy and See Beyond shuffle a card in, while Whirlpool Rider reshuffles your whole hand. Is this the sort of thing you're looking for?

TheSurgeon on Win or Lose, Draw.

3 years ago

SentinelElf2711 Thanks for the kind words!

Yes, I have tested this. I actually have it in paper format, and love to play with a table full of opponents. Evennifnindont win, people panic as their library melts away. Though, it is surprisingly fast. I just wish Whirlpool Rider was modern legal.

Orsett on Xyris, the Writhing Storm

3 years ago

Hi Mercy_Mirror, I'm happy to hear that you were able to take away something from my list!

Regarding the Wheel effects, I was especially proud of remembering cards like Whirlpool Rider, which I run 4 of in an old-school mono-blue mill deck. It's a shame that it and Whirlpool Drake (not featured) don't share Whirlpool Warrior's capacity to Wheel everybody, though.

Motley_Fool on Ichorid Dredge

4 years ago

Cool deck, you might think of adding Shivan Reef or Cephalid Coliseum to the manabase. With twelve dredgers I think you could afford to run a single Whirlpool Rider to potentially dredge your whole deck in one turn.

Poly_raptor on Advertise your COMMANDER deck!

4 years ago

davidsays1 I’ll have a look.

If anyone wants to check out my latest build,

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It’s a locust god deck, so the aim is draw loads with Whirlpool Rider effects and then kill everyone with lots of bugs

CastleSiege on You're Kraken Me Up

4 years ago

I threw him into my oceanic themed Thassa, Deep-Dwelling deck along with Whirlpool Rider. It's durdly and fun :)

Optimator on Human Fly

4 years ago

Actually, Forgotten Creation might be one of the better self-wheels. I'd cut Molten Psyche, Whirlpool Rider, and Fateful Showdown. Maybe one more--you have a ton of wheel effects that don't redraw up to seven cards and things like Arjun, Mind Moil, and Teferi's Gigglebox are the stand-outs. You still want some though.

Burn at the Stake is great but a little bit win-more so it's a potential cut. Lower on the cut list, to be sure.

Replacing Whispersilk Cloak with Tribute Mage would get you a blocker on the ground and add versatility.

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