Force of Vigor
If it's not your turn, you may exile a green card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Destroy up to two target artifacts and/or enchantments.
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Force of Vigor Discussion
4 days ago
I'd cut Darksteel Ingot in favor of a Sol Ring, Wurm's Tooth for an Arcane Signet, Explosive Vegetation with a Nature's Lore, Land Grant by a Three Visits, replace Pulse of Murasa with Bala Ged Recovery Flip, remove Tribute to the Wild for Force of Vigor, and exchange Entangling Vines in favor of Song of the Dryads. :)
on Land Twins
1 week ago
Alright, let's do this.
Good day to you, FacetiousFanboy. Now, I have a mere one lands-matter deck, whereupon 'tis the extent of my knowledge upon the strategy, but 'tis something I have meticulously tinkered for quite the meiny of years. Therefrom, I may offer my enlightenment.
Upon the very intrinsic parts, we have the categories of a commander deck: removal, wraths, card draw, ramp, lands, recursion, and engines. Being a legendary creature in the modern era of Magic, Mina and Denn grant a splendid engine from the command zone. Allow me to touch upon the basics within the decklist.
In order aforesaid, removal:
I mayn't have ever seen Relic Crush, but I do not like it. Five mana to kill two things is far too inefficient, thus I would recommend you take this out of the deck. Force of Vigor is better on most accounts.
Storm the Citadel requires you to have a board state, and requires a sorcery-speed deployment. Removal is best utilized in surprise, and being a sorcery negates such a factor. I do not like this card.
I have noted a supreme lack of wraths. I have also noticed some inefficient X-spells for which you intend to use twelve or so mana. Try removing Banefire, Clan Defiance, Spitfire Lagac, Tunneling Geopede, and Living Twister. The pinging effects matter little until the opponents are sitting at seven life. Living Twister is one I have tried and disliked. Banefire and Clan Defiance hit the opponents' face, but do near to nothing in terms of furthering your board state. These are great when you are ahead, but you currently have no options for when you are behind.
Upon card draw.
If you so desire X-spells to utilize, I would add Commune with Lava. It may be cast upon the endstep before your turn, and thus offers many more option without requiring you to tap out.
Escape to the Wilds offers a new hand and an additional land drop, whilst being a mere $0.25.
Similar yet potentially better, Tireless Tracker. Clues are fantastic, and are a splendid devotion of mana for use at any time. By this argument, I would kill Seer's Sundial. I have attempted the Sundial, but it requires a mana dump immediately as averse to any time.
Ramp, of course.
As to what should be removed, Rootweaver Druid ramps you for one and an opponent for two. It could ramp you for two and your opponents for four. You always come out behind in this exchange, and thus I would see this fit for exclusion. Far Wanderings is great, but best if you have a full graveyard. This deck cannot achieve Threshold too easily, thence this effect may be improved.
Returning from the grave, recursion it shall be.
This is an optional field, but it is nice to have an option or two. I see but Seeds of Renewal. Seven mana for two things returned? I nill. Bala Ged Recovery Flip serves as a land early and a win condition late. Eternal Witness is just always fantastic.
Start your engines.
What in heck is this Sporemound Nonsense? A five-mana 3/3 that spawns 1/1s. Quite lacking indeed. I do not see any justification for having this in the deck.
Primeval Bounty is always lovely, but not requisite. I believe it to be more powerful than current options in your deck.
Given the number of tokens you create Purphoros will drain the opponents' life apace. In the same avenue, Evolutionary Leap can offer defense if someone attempts to kill a creature, or it can find a better use for your tokens.
Comet Storm is a far more efficient version of the X-spells you had opted to include, for it can remove problematic threats or multiple problematic players.
Unto finality, Genesis Wave can plop out most of your deck upon the table, and it is difficult to lose from there.
Thus is the end of my babbling. Pardon the overlong comment, but I do hope it was of some aid.
I do have my own list, as forementioned, built around the lovely Hazezon Tamar. If you would so deign to peer upon its glory, that would be splendid.
Fare thee well.
2 weeks ago
Mirage Mirror, Pattern of Rebirth, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Return of the Wildspeaker, Kenrith's Transformation, Chord of Calling, Gemrazer, Ohran Frostfang, Sawtusk Demolisher, Force of Vigor, Obscuring Haze, Ram Through, Rampage of the Clans, Thwart the Enemy, Vines of Vastwood, Tribute to the Wild, Rancor, Swarmyard, Monstrous Onslaught, Overwhelming Stampede, Roar of Challenge, Jeweled Lotus
3 weeks ago
At Nava's request i'm posting suggested changes, additions, cuts, and my thoughts on them. She requested that I not stick to only budget, but keep the max single card value under $30 (I kept it under $20 for the most part and largely even lower than that). As such, here are my thoughts and recommendations.
Courser of Kruphix- Ramp, pulls cards off the top of your deck so you are more likely to draw useful cards and just directly drop your lands onto the battlefield
Living Lightning- a useful elemental that allows you to recast your instants/sorceries
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar- A very powerful card that also allows you to bounce your lands so you can replay them for more effects
Nyxbloom Ancient- Triple mana on an elemental.
Overgrowth Elemental- A useful elemental that pumps your creatures and gains you life.
Ramunap Excavator- Replay your sacrificed and destroyed lands. Fantastic in a lands deck. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Roil Elemental- A fantastic landfall ability that allows you to grab key pieces from your opponents and use them against each other
Seedborn Muse take full advantage of your lands and abilities without worrying about being tapped out
Titania, Protector of Argoth- land recursion, elemental generation.
World Shaper- land recursion
Birds of Paradise- One of the best dorks in the game
Sylvan Caryatid- Fantastic dork
Brighthearth Banneret- You are a lands deck. You have more than enough mana and this simply doesn't do enough for you.
Chandra's Embercat- This will be a recurring comment from me. You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Embodiment of Insight- Too expensive for the effect. Also, personally I don't like turning lands into creatures as it makes them incredibly vulnerable without giving enough benefit.
Embodiment of Spring- Too expensive and not nearly good enough.
Generator Servant- The haste isn't important enough for your creatures as you very rarely have anything massive enough or has a useful enough tap effect that is being cast from your hand to require it. Furthermore, you are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Grove Rumbler- This card is terrible. Four for a 3/3 trample that has an effect that will pump it slightly for one turn. This is awful. It feels like this card was only put in due to it being an elemental.
Lavakin Brawler- Rarely do you ever have enough elementals out for this to be worthwhile. Not that it's terrible, but there are so many better cards that can be put in its place.
Parcelbeast- Doesn't get enough value to justify the slot
Smokebraider- You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Tireless Tracker- This has nothing to do with your deck and you're better off finding other draw engines
Surrak Dragonclaw- No synergy with the deck and not nearly good enough to justify the high mana cost.
Field of the Dead
Bring your land count to 38 or so
Coral Atoll- This is terrible. I know you're going for the bounce effect, but this is far worse for several reasons. Firstly, it only gives you blue mana as opposed to multicolored. Secondly, it requires specifically an island to be returned as opposed to any land that you can then take advantage of. And thirdly, it requires the land to be untapped which means that not only does it come in tapped, but it requires an untapped island which means you can't even use that land and then return it for value. This is awful. I don't love the bounce lands either, but I understand what you're going for and their value. This has neither.
Lumbering Falls, Raging Ravine, Wandering Fumarole- These man lands are in here entirely because they can become elementals, but really aren't worth running. They are come in tapped, cannot be fetched, and cost 4 mana to turn into a creature, largely negating any benefit. They're really bad and I highly recommend cutting them for more basics.
Unclaimed Territory- Not really worth the value. It's colorless more often than not and another basic land will give you more value than that more often.
Mana Vault- Nava already owns a copy of this in her Nekusar deck, so it can be added here without issue.
Strionic Resonator- Copy all of your ETB triggers, as well as any other triggered abilities. Fantastic
Chaos Warp- Removal on your own pieces or an opponents. Bypasses indestructible and often is allowed through without being counterspelled due to the fact that it's usually replacing a piece that people agree is a fair target rather than outright destroying or removing without replacing. A fantastic card overall
Constant Mists- Great protection when you need it, plus it can be bought back if needed. Lands can be recovered through multiple means.
Disallow- A must have for counterspells. It covers all possible basis and is fantastic.
Heroic Intervention- Hexproof and indestructible at instant speed for 2. Amazing.
Krosan Grip- Split second artifact/enchantment destruction. Among the best removal for them there is.
Force of Vigor- Free artifact/enchantment removal with multiple targets.
Swan Song- 1 drop counterspell that hits everything but creatures. A great counterspell to have on hand.
Counterspell- There are better cards to replace this with that are still very cheap/budget and are overall better
Growth Spiral- A decent card but we can do better given the range of cards available in commander
Inspiring Call- See Growth Spiral
Return to Nature- There are so many better versions of this for an equal if not lesser cost. Or, for one more there are better cards which I will be recommending.
Struggle / Survive- Too limited, not enough value, not powerful enough.
Tale's End- This is just a bad version of disallow that very rarely gets any value.
Withstand Death- This is a bad version of other similar cards.
Wrap in Vigor- Very rarely do mass destruction effects happen, and when they do the usually say "cannot be regenerated". This seems really good but i've never really seen it get any value and will typically be a dead card most of the time.
Genesis Wave- Drop all the permanents (lands included) that you can afford.
Life from the Loam- pull lands from your graveyard and keep your engine going without running out. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Nature's Lore, Three Visits- Pull forests (basic and non-basic that are forests) from your deck. Very helpful at any time.
Scapeshift- Grab all the lands you want, plus trigger your landfall and other such triggers
Splendid Reclamation- Pull all the lands from your graveyard. Nuff said.
Tempt with Discovery- If one person takes it then it's a better Explosive Vegetation. If more then it's an amazing card, but even if no one else does you get to pick your land and in a lands deck you will get more value.
Windfall- Refills your hand, interferes with opponent's plans, dumps lands in graveyard for later use.
Ground Assault- very limited and not worth running. There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Hull Breach- There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Quasiduplicate- no real apparent benefit to this over other cards that can more directly further your end goal.
Sylvan Awakening- I don't recommend turning your lands into creatures, especially enmass. It's just asking for all your lands to be mass removed. Very dangerous and will rarely get the payoff you need. Limited and will be a dead card in hand except in very specific scenarios.
Burgeoning- land Acceleration
Trade Routes- Bounce lands for more triggers and value, and in a pinch you can pitch them for more cards. Mana swamped becomes a thing of the past.
Exploration- Land acceleration
Domri, Anarch of Bolas- It seems like the main reason this is being run is for the +1 ability, which is really not worth running a card like this for. Not enough value.
Nissa, Steward of Elements- Without a large number of counters on her she gets minimal value, and if you do pay enough mana to make her viable there are already better cards you can run for those costs.
Eternal Witness- Unless you find your creatures or important cards dead often, or have a real way to take advantage of the cards in your graveyard, this is unnecessary and doesn't do enough for the deck.
Fertilid- A decent card but i've never found it gets enough value for the cost. it's a minimum of 5 mana for 1 basic land. You need to do this at least 3 or 4 times to really get enough value to be worth running over a land fetch.
Leafkin Druid- This is okay as a dork and an elemental, but I've found with tribal decks that you are better off running other creature and card types that better fuel your deck as a whole and really allow the tribe to shine, rather than forcing the tribe everywhere.
Tectonic Giant- Not good enough.
Animar, Soul of Elements- Unnecessary.
Zendikar Resurgent- Largely unnecessary due to the high number of lands in the deck, but can be kept if you feel it worthwhile
Frontier Bivouac- decent but comes in tapped and cannot be fetched. In a lands deck you will rarely be hurting for colors and the fact that this comes in tapped slows you down.
Simic Growth Chamber, Izzet Boilerworks, Gruul Turf- While I see what you are going for with these, they overall do slow you down and you have enough lands (once you bump up to 38 or so) that you shouldn't have any issue with them. I'd swamp these for basics as you have far more ways to grab those.
1 month ago
Hi BenWin, a bit of a long reply, apologies if I ramble. Guerte has hit the nail on the head with Burgeoning, not only do we need lands in hand we also need our opponents to be playing lands and for a large number of decks our opponents are playing typically run very few lands so that it is almost never provides value outside of the opening hand and even in the opening hand you need to make sure you have a card draw spell to refill or else you are instantly in top deck mode turn 1 or 2, not great.
Skullclamp I understand your point here, it is a highly efficient card and it might well be worth running. It is likely to be removed on sight but maybe better this than one of our enchantments etc. Maybe worth testing but I am still leaning towards this not really fitting in with our game plan. It is another piece to have onboard for it to be of value. What I mean by this is that we need a creature preferrably a elemental token so we would need Omnath, Locus of Rage + Skullclamp + a sac outlet + a land in hand or a landfall trigger. It isn't Greater Good or Valakut Exploration which generate a value with fewer pieces required.
Force of Vigor I am a champion of, we agree, this should be an auto include in almost all green decks. The Omrath iteraltion of this deck runs very little spot removal which meta dependent is not the best approach, however, what it lacks in interaction it gains in efficiency, synergy and power. Run Force of Vigor folks.
Gamble This is an interesting one and one I am surprised to say I haven't tested thoroughly. Let me explain why. The card as powerful as it is and a tutor that Gruul in great need of also suffers significantly when we have very few cards in hand which for the most part Omrath does. If we can consistently have a full grip then I think this card is an auto include but I am sure we can all agree that Omnath very rarely is in that position and if we are then we are likely already winning, ie, we have just played a big Shamanic Revelation or Rishkar's Expertise or have Greater Good in play with a decent number of elementals. I don't think I will be running Gamble until we consistently have more cards in hand.
Altar of Dementia I think it is fair to aliken it too much to Ashnod's Altar as although they are both colourless enchantments Ashnod's Altar also produces mana. It turns each Field of the Dead trigger into a painless Ancient Tomb which is great for recasting Omnath, Locus of Rage or setting up for one of our high cmc spells. Your point about self mill is interesting and does generate another potential line for use albeit risky as we run very little non land recursion. with only Eternal Witness and Bala Ged Recovery Flip available ever since we cut Greenwarden of Murasa. Milling our opponents out late could be a option but we'd need at least one of our doubling effects to have enough power onboard to eat through that many cards. I won't be running this card.
Sensei's Divining Top also won't be making the cut. Like I mentioned in my previous post I just think I would rather have other cards. If you are playing a slower plan with more interaction and maybe a bunch of stax pieces I can see this potentially being valuable. I just don't think Omrath is a deck for utility artifacts, we're too busy trying to play lands and cards that actively close the game rather than durdle.
Perilous Forays I cannot get behind. As mentioned previously it is a high cmc sac outlet and more importantly by the time I find myself playing I have very few basics left or at least not enough to be meaningful damage.Blasphemous Act is almost always a very cheap board wipe and I for one would not consider switching these, but whatever works for your meta.
Sylvan Scrying is very meta and budget dependent, you are correct that if you need to get a Cavern of Souls, Boseiju, Who Shelters All or Gaea's Cradle then this card is great, however, it would be greater if it put the card into play like Crop Rotation. Play if it makes sense, I would also advocate this over Rampant Growth as although Rampant Growth puts a land into play, it comes in tapped and is a basic. I don't think Rampant Growth should be in any serious Omrath deck especially not Three Visits is affordable, if it still is, switch it for Sylvan Scrying.
Temple of the False God I think is a budget card and something I removed from the deck years ago. If it is the opening hand it is generally fairly bad. We cannot fetch for it, this is pretty significant as we only run a few utility lands and non of these have particular downsides/restrictions. I would suggest thinking it this way, in which situation would you use Crop Rotation to get this card? I don't think I would every choose this over one of our arguably higher powered utility lands. Just not for me. If you are on a budget and can't get an Ancient Tomb, Gaea's Cradle, Cavern of Souls etc then go for it. We only run 8 utility lands all of which are more powerful effects. Regarding Strip Mine, have you ever had multi landfalls + Crucible of Worlds + Strip Mine? this is only anti tempo for our opponent's. Also being able to remove some elses Gaea's Cradle or table a multi coloured deck off a colour early game is exactly why Strip Mine is powerful. I would take another look at how and when you are using it. Yes there are games when it does nothing but some times you need to get rid of a pesky Cavern of Souls so the blue player can counter etc.
Steely Resolve in my opinion should not be cut. I am very much against this as games I have played this card I have almost always won. If it eats a remove spell then that is one less that will be targeting Omnath, Locus of Rage or Ancient Greenwarden. Sylvan Safekeeper is great but if you have issue with anti tempo as you mentioned with Strip Mine then you surely don't like Sylvan Safekeeper?
Just my humble take on those cards. If you want to run them do, have fun with the deck, test things out and see how they feel for you.
1 month ago
Thank you _Arra_ and VexenX for the detailed replies, and anyone else I might be forgetting. You guys never let me down! I would like to quickly mention that I agree with both of your takes on infinite combos, and I too am not aiming to build that type of deck here.
What I may have been poorly communicating in previous posts is that if our current primary win-con of OM_RATH is burn, I think we could benefit from lowering CMC. My understanding is that burn works best when we're pressuring opponents as quickly as possible, which means sometimes less CMC can be more effective!
I'd like to continue the discussion on a few cards, and bring up some new ones too:
Burgeoning - To generalize the comments I've seen about this card, it seems to shine in the right opening hand, but lose it's consistency quickly. Could we agree that if OM_RATH had more consistent draw, especially early-mid, then Burgeoning could be a reconsideration?
Skullclamp - The cheap draw this offers is absolutely nuts. Pay 1 for 2 cards before sacing to an outlet. But we can increase the value of drawing cards by lowering average CMC. Like setting up a well greased engine. Maybe it's just me but I think setting up an engine for burn seems like a great idea. Same idea with Life's Legacy and even Kavu Lair.
Force of Vigor - I still think it's silly to not include this. The extra slot it takes up doesn't sting as bad if you add more draw.
Gamble - Early game you could search something like Oracle of Mul Daya and mid-late you could get a Greater Good. It even serves as a creature tutor for Sylvan Safekeeper. It also gets better as we add more draw and consistency. Isn't this nuts?
Sensei's Divining Top - Great for any opening hand that lacks a 2 or 3 CMC ramp spell, increasing early game consistency. I don't think it slows us down because it allows us to curve out better each turn given a less than ideal hand. Different from other decks, we often have a land to spare because of the ramp, and what a good way to grease an engine!
Perilous Forays - If I'm getting this right, people are complaining about the high CMC. You're not wrong that some CMC cuts could help. In fact, more cuts to CMC improves Perilous Forays because you can afford to dump more mana into it on average. Unlike other outlets, Perilous Forays helps you police other opponents without limiting you to number of creatures owned. In that way it is a very aggressive outlet if left unchecked, and is undeniably just burn. Maybe you won't be able to kill the whole table since you're limited to basics, but it should put at least one player of your choice on a quick clock. Isn't that still everything you want out of a card?
Sylvan Scrying - I still think this one is a must have because it can get you Cavern of Souls, which depending on your table could be game-saving in itself. Of course there are many other routes you can take.
Temple of the False God - Seems like another way to accelerate past our opponents. TBH I've been unimpressed with Strip Mine because it's anti-tempo and I think this may be a better fit. Shoutout to _Arra_ for reminding me about Strip Mine.
Steely Resolve - I agree we can cut this. In a way, we kind of had 5 Steely Resolves in the deck if you count our 3 creature tutors and Sylvan Safekeeper. Cutting it allows more flexibility, like ramping in it's place.
Interested to hear people's thoughts! I love to hear devil's advocates, so please sir, maybe I have another!