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At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, if that player has one or fewer cards in hand, he or she loses 3 life.
3 weeks ago
Waste Not wants the opponent to be discarding regularly, not just topdecking with an empty hand. Effects that draw before discarding give it the most juice--Burning Inquiry is probably the best option, but cards like Prismari Command or Lore Broker also could work.
Basically, when you get your opponent's hand empty, do you want to play more restictively or more dynamically? Shrieking Affliction and The Rack want an empty hand, Liliana's Caress and Waste Not want discarding.
on MBC: 8-Rack
3 weeks ago
Ok today I have been jamming in a crap ton of games with Waste Not.... It's exactly how I remember it and I have such a love/hate for this card. SOMETIMES it works and can draw into the spell that wins the game or provided that life saving/game winning 2/2 token; but when its bad its just terrible... and im assuming Liliana's Caress is worse.
My Issue that I have with it is that I only get 1 or 2 triggers off of it when its in my opening hand and having enabling discard spells to cast. And If I ever find myself in a game state where I have stabilized and topdeck it on Turn four or later... its just a brick whereas drawing into The Rack/Shrieking Affliction either begins the clock of 3 damage/life loss a turn or just greatly accelerates an already existing clock.
Does anyone else have a different experience using these cards? Because I really want to use them but I just feel like either im doing it wrong maybe or just need to move on from them.
on MBC: 8-Rack
4 weeks ago
Liliana's Caress actually could be a decent idea. I know that you mentioned not knowing of any instant speed discard, so I will be happy to show you Funeral Charm. While the other two modes aren't great, running a copy or two along side Caress could be another viable strategy.
4 weeks ago
The 8-rack I had set up was for Legacy and ran almost no creatures, so having multiple copies of The Rack, Shrieking Affliction and Liliana's Caress on the board ended games QUICK. Ideally, my opening hand would have a couple of Dark Rituals, which would lead into Liliana's Caress, and then a bunch of discard cards, ending in my opponent losing close to half their life total on turn one. Hymn to Tourach is quite demoralizing to your opponent too, I would recommend it.
on MBC: 8-Rack
4 weeks ago
@ChocolatePuma oh yeah I have always loved Megrim and the strictly better Liliana's Caress! I think the only issue I have with those cards is Empty handed opponents in topdeck mode... it feels really good early buy feels bad in the late game... I don't know of any instant speed discard effects outside of Nezumi Shortfang Flip to rely on Caress? How did you utilize Liliana's Caress? Does it just work better side by side with The Rack than im giving it credit for? I fortunatly have had a full playset for years now and am totally open to trying it out!
5 months ago
20 lands feels really low for a deck running Smallpox, that also needs 3 mana reliably, and ideally 4 mana for Tourach, Dread Cantor. Personally, i'd go up to 24 lands, and then run a playset of Raven's Crime so that you can still make use of any excess lands you might draw later in the game. (i'd drop the Hypnotic Specter for those extra lands, as the card just validates your opponents killspells too much)
I'd suggest running the full playset of Smallpox as it can just prove soo valuable for messing with your opponent, particularly if you're on the draw (which 8rack decks often want to be).
I'd ditch Megrim in place of some kind of killspell. between Shrieking Affliction, The Rack, and Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage you already have enough ways to punish an empty hand - and the opponent might not even have any cards in hand to discard after turn 3 anyway. You also want to be able to killspell the opponents board to force them into having to play more cards and get lower on resources. I think Fatal Push would be a lot more useful than Megrim here.
Duress can be really problematic in that it might not find a card to discard. I'd suggest running 3x Blackmail instead, and then 1 copy of Bontu's Last Reckoning. Blackmail is a lot stronger in that it will at least be guaranteed to force a discard, and the single copy of Bontu's Last Reckoning can come in clutch for getting out of gross situations (though I don't think you want to be running more than 1 copy because drawing 2 in a game is probably not helpful)
8 months ago
I actually really like the inclusion of 4 Voidwalkers since it gives the undying cards another target besides Grief, especially since one voidwalker can cast cards exiled with a different Voidwalker (or its past dead self).
Having so many fetches in mono B for deck thinning is probably not necessary imo. I would probably put like 2-3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth along with 3-4 Urza's Saga. Urborg also goes pretty well with a couple horizon lands like Silent Clearing. Force of Despair is a cool card that a lot of 8rack players were excited to test out when it got spoiled, personally I don't think running 3 copies is a great idea in a deck already pitching cards to Grief but you could maybe run 3 combined between mainboard and sideboard.
Path of Peril is a really funny boardwipe since a) you can sack your Dauthi anyways and b) it doesn't hit Grief. Obviously some antisynergy with Saga but its probably fine if you sequence plays correctly.
This is definitely a deck where I would put some copies of Surgical Extraction in the sideboard.
20 lands is probably on the low side, although you aren't running any Raven's Crime. Need testing for that one.
The tweaks I'd make before playtesting would probably be:
Reasoning: with Saga, you can cut on Afflictions since you can tutor racks more consistently, Needle and Spellbomb are just mainboard saga target staples, and then some other removal to replace Force of Despair. Funeral Charm can let a big construct through with Urborg. What removal you choose to run is probably meta dependent.
This is definitely a lot more meta dependent so I can't comment as much.
Go Blank is decent grave hate but can be replaced with extra Nihil Spellbomb or 4 Leyline of the Void, personal preference. Also good to note that Go Blank can sometimes be too slow (vs grinding breach) and also doesn't shut down some decks as effectively as leyline like Murktide, Scam, Grinding Station, Yawgmoth, Living End, etc while Leyline stops all of those in their tracks.
You can also move the Spellbomb + Needle package to the sideboard if you think mainboard is too crowded with the scam package.
10 months ago
Demilich, as much as I like the card is a trap, something like Bedlam Reveler or Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger might serve you better... Without Demilich you could essentially be a BR deck which will be easier on your mana. Mystic Sanctuary and Witch's Cottage potential to be tapped lands makes them bad, while lands like Den of the Bugbear and Hive of the Eye Tyrant are more suited to a low to the ground deck lick this. Cut Down should probably be Fatal Push or Bloodchief's Thirst leaning more to the latter as an answer for planeswalkers as well as creatures... Shrieking Affliction could be something you want, if you are wanting to go down the discard route.