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Enchantment — Aura
When this enters the battlefield, draw a card.
Enchanted creature loses all abilities and is a green Elk creature with base power and toughness 3/3. (It loses all other card types and creature types.)
3 weeks ago
Player removal is still removal. Get aggressive and don't let him set up.
Suggestions above are all good. I like Kyren Negotiations in a token deck.
1 month ago
The counting works normally. Every time you use mutate to merge something onto that creature, it has "mutated". This is just a fact about events in the game, not anything to do with what abilities the creature does or doesn't have.
To the additional question: the effects of things like Lignify and Kenrith's Transformation will continue to overwrite the new mutations. In the system of "layers" used to determine an object's characteristics, certain types of effects are applied before others regardless of the order in which they happened in the game. For the specific layers relevant to your examples: characteristics resulting from merging are part of Layer 1, type-changing effects are Layer 4, color-changing is Layer 5, ability-removing is in Layer 6, and P/T setting is in Layer 7. The creature will continue to be a base 0/4 treefolk with no abilities in the case of Lignify, and a base 3/3 green elk with no abilities in the case of Kenrith's Transformation.
1 month ago
I've been building a mutate commander deck and while looking for possible corner-cases, I've been stumbled with the following:
If a mutated creature "loses all abilities" (for example is enchanted with Lignify or Kenrith's Transformation), and I try to mutate on it something that counts the number of times the creature mutated (like Porcuparrot), does the counting happens normally? The creature still knows how many times it mutated?
Additionally: If that same creature suffer future mutations, it will look like the "new" creature or it will still be suffering the effects of the aura?
Thanks in advance!
1 month ago
Nice deck : ) I guess my only question is, what do you want to do as a wincon? There are a lot of options to go infinite if you want to, but I completely understand if you don't. But things like Fauna Shaman or Green Sun's Zenith or Vivien, Monsters' Advocate can really make creature based combos very reliable.
Another take would be to go the enchantress route. Green has a lot of ways to get incidental card draw off enchantments, like Rune of Might and Kenrith's Transformation. Those together with Argothian Enchantress or other enchantresses, including Setessan Champion and Eidolon of Blossoms can be a very effective draw engine in green. And enchantress decks love Arasta of the Endless Web who can really help with flying problems. Everyone feeds her : ) No one respects spiders.
But at the same time, enchantress might also make it less of an elf deck. So, I guess, what are you most interested in doing with the deck? It looks like a really good elf combat deck as is, it could be powered up by infinites like Umbral Mantle or Quirion Ranger and Ashaya, Soul of the Wild or Staff of Domination to power a Wren's Run Packmaster or Umbral Mantle pump win. Ezuri, Renegade Leader is also a great mana outlet. But it all depends what you want to play I guess : )
3 months ago
It has been a while indeed. Even though you're running things like Kenrith's Transformation and Song of the Dryads, I feel as if you still aren't running enough removal. A basic list of stuff you should definitely consider is:
- Swords to Plowshares
- Path to Exile
- Beast Within
- Generous Gift
- Krosan Grip
- Nature's Claim
- On Thin Ice - For this, you'd definitely need to replace all your Forests and Plains with Snow-Covered Forest and Snow-Covered Plains. However, it's worth it.
In addition, I see you running an aura strategy. I'm personally not a fan of auras, but you do you. You're also running a rather low creature count at 12. I would definitely consider trying to add more creatures, particularly things like Collector Ouphe and Hushbringer as you aren't running many artifacts with activated abilities or creatures with ETB effects. With Collector Ouphe, you can punish your opponents for ramping via mana rocks, and with Hushbringer you can protect your enchantments against effects from Acidic Slime and Reclamation Sage. Destiny Spinner is also super helpful since she herself is an enchantment and can protect against your spells getting countered.
6 months ago
Hey man, looking over it, obviously a great looking budget list. Keeping a general mindset of no cards over $3 I would add:
Ramp : Bounty of the Luxa, Mind Stone, Rootcoil Creeper, Leyline Prowler, Kodama's Reach Good cheap cards to help you get Muldrotha out faster, and then be able to play 2-3 spells a turn. The Prowler is also just an awesome blocker sometimes with his deathtouch.
Tutor : Dig Up Great budget Tutor for your colors.
6 months ago
Thanks for commenting, Lord_of_Cardboard!
This deck would do exceptionally well against a Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger deck. This is for the same reason that cards like Jace's Archivist do so well in the deck: if you have have Muldrotha on the battlefield, any cards you discard might as well still be in your hand cause you can simply replay them from your graveyard. If anything, an opposing Kroxa player is almost helping you by disrupting your other opponents' hands.
As for a budget version of the deck, here's some advice on budget options and replacements. Just note that this is advice specific to my Muldrotha deck, i.e., advice for the big mana and big X-spell strategy. If you'd rather play a more typical creature-based, swing-to-kill type deck, there may be better Muldrotha lists to look at.
The mana base makes up a large portion of the deck's budget, and I would leave that mostly up to your own discretion. Just keep in mind that fetch lands like Evolving Wilds and slow fetches like Bad River are good for being replayed every turn with Muldrotha. Also, for a budget version of the deck, it's important to run more basics than I do since you'll probably need to fetch more with your ramp. Cycle lands like Lonely Sandbar, Tranquil Thicket, and Barren Moor are fantastic, especially with Life from the Loam. Some other good options:
Which brings me to another point: if I had to pick one somewhat expensive card that's worth putting in a budget Muldrotha deck, it's this one. It's a one-card value engine, giving you card draw, mill, and lands. And depending on what utility lands you choose to run, it can do a whole lot more. And if you're worried about Kroxa in your meta, Life from the Loam is a great counter to it, allowing you to fill your hand with lands to discard.
Now to address key cards for the deck's "big mana" strategy. Important cards for generating a lot of mana include Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Cabal Coffers, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Crypt Ghast, and Nyxbloom Ancient. You could just replace these cards with normal ramp; casting X-spells for X=10 is still good and easy to accomplish without these cards. If that's unsatisfying for you, you could consider options like Zendikar Resurgent and Mana Reflection. Unfortunately there aren't many great cheap options for producing a lot of mana. This is an important part of the deck though, so it's up to you if it's worth spending some extra money on it.
To avoid this comment being any more lengthy than it already is, here's an extensive list of some budget alternatives for the deck. The great thing about Muldrotha is that being able to replay removal makes a lot of sub-par removal actually pretty good, so it's pretty budget friendly.
Win-Conditions: What's in the deck isn't too expensive, but here's some cheaper options.
- Mass Manipulation
- Gelatinous Genesis
- Mind Grind
- Hydra Broodmaster
- Other hydras (there's lots of them)
- Plaguecrafter / Demon's Disciple
- Seal of Doom / Shriekmaw / Executioner's Capsule
- Night Incarnate
- Outland Liberator Flip
- Thrashing Brontodon
- Kenrith's Transformation / Frogify / Kasmina's Transmutation
- Vraska the Unseen / Ob Nixilis Reignited
- Sidisi's Faithful
Draw / Mill:
- Vessel of Nascency
- Satyr Wayfinder
- Tatyova, Benthic Druid
- Mirror-Mad Phantasm
- Dreamborn Muse
- River Kelpie
- Witching Well
- Courier's Capsule
- Omen of the Sea
- Fact or Fiction
- Forgotten Creation
- Kiora, Master of the Depths
- Springbloom Druid
- Burnished Hart
- Dawntreader Elk
- Diligent Farmhand
- Kodama's Reach
- Wayfarer's Bauble
- Font of Fertility
- Omen of the Hunt
- Yavimaya Elder
- Kiora, the Crashing Wave
Control and other good stuff:
- Zur's Weirding
- Siren Stormtamer
- Drown in the Loch
- Elephant Grass
- Scribe of the Mindful
- Malakir Rebirth Flip
- Raven's Crime
- Malevolent Hermit Flip
- Energy Flux
- Other counterspells
If you have any other questions about budget options, let me know. I'm always happy to help!
6 months ago
Hey! I'm glad you liked Elder Gargaroth in action!
I don't like giving options for opponents with Selvala's Stampede, but, if you're using it, make it so that all creatures are relevant/powerful when flipped with the Stampede (so no Sakura-Tribe Elder, for example).
As always, I like to know how this deck is going - I even playtest it every now and then to know how it is to be playing the best cards for Ghired, Conclave Exile. Cheers!