Liliana of the Veil
Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Each player discards a card.
-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.
-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of their choice.
|Have (4)||, CompleteWaste , gildan_bladeborn , Eckat|
|Want (4)||Darui , clericman12 , OpKnightMaster , Laereth|
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|Ultimate Masters (UMA)||Mythic Rare|
|Ultimate Masters Promo (UMAP)||Mythic Rare|
|Modern Masters 2017 Edition (MM3)||Mythic Rare|
|Innistrad (ISD)||Mythic Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Latest Decks as Commander
Liliana of the Veil Discussion
1 week ago
Also mana rocks and rituals aren’t even similar. Mana rocks can be reused every turn. You’re talking about vintage and EDH but you’ve established Siege Rhino as too powerful for your format so why would you even be thinking about those formats?? They are immensely more powerful than yours.
And lastly, if those cards are too powerful for the format, please list some suitable alternatives. I need a good 3 drop that can block And provide card advantage, and a 4 drop beater.
1 week ago
In any mono-black deck I always suggest Withering Boon. It's so unexpected and you can cast a kill spell to counter another creature from the yard.
The recent change for Oubliette makes it amazing in EDH. Since it phases out, if you target their commander they can't chose to put it back in the command zone. Locking them out of their commander until its removed or you lose.
As far as finding expensive cards to cut, I guess I'd have to suggest Liliana of the Veil first and foremost. It's incredibly expensive and its not super strong in commander. I get that you don't mind discarding instants and that her minus ability allows you to cast them, but if you're looking to be more budget-friendly I'd suggest cutting that one first.
1 month ago
Liliana of the Veil is a classic black planeswalker, and for good reason. It's just op. Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet is also nice. Lingering Souls is another good WB midrange card, and can also be discarded to Liliana.
1 month ago
Like Squirrelbacon said, the flexibility you get by spending mana at instant speed is hard to oversate in ANY deck that runs counterspells. It's the difference between losing to an early Liliana of the Veil, or catching it with Stubborn Denial.
Without the presence of such cards, Opt (supports counters), Thought Scour (helps with delve and escape costs), or even Hieroglyphic Illumination (scales well into late game) can all be superior options.
Of course just because you play esper, it doesn't mean you need to play counterspells.
However you need to make a resultion, and build your deck accordingly. Either run counterspells (with fully playset Stubborn Denial at bare minimum) and support for them, or don't.
Half assing that decision is a terrible idea.
1 month ago
I recommend the following changes to make this build more budget-friendly:
Also, you can take out the 5 fetchlands for 5 Swamps.
1 month ago
Random cards that came to mind: Fatal Push over Disfigure, Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, Collective Brutality, Maelstrom Pulse instead of Bile Blight, Liliana of the Veil helps fill your 'yard and is yet another card type for Delirium, Veil of Summer for the sideboard, Tarmogoyf since it could be upwards of a two mana 7/8, Traverse the Ulvenwald as another way to tutor creatures & lands, Castle Locthwain to help make sure you don't run out of gas, Overgrown Tomb, Woodland Cemetery, and Blooming Marsh to fix your mana, and Fetchlands to help get you to Delirium faster.
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1 month ago
Cards to look at
Trinisphere - 3x of this will do everything you wanted Thalia to do, and more. This is the daddy of stax pieces, and it will frustrate tons of decks.
Collector Ouphe - Turn off equipment and tons of artifacts, 2/2 for , 2-3x and can easily go into your SB if you don't want to MB. Plays well alongside artifact based lock pieces like Static Orb or Trinisphere, look for triggered abilities or static abilities to build around the Ouphe
Gaddock Teeg - Shut off plenty of wincons and huge value cards, a nice 1-2x in this style of deck, and its a 2/2 for . This will usually turn off something in an opponent's deck, requires a bit of build around on your end.
Maralen of the Mornsong - Neat combo with Mindcensor/Arbiter and a great way to find your silver bullet hate cards you need, especially if you run them at 1x slots. You pretty much never want to play this without either Mindcensor or the Arbiter, so I'd look at 1-2x inclusion
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite - Dunks on tons of utility dorks and creatures, and if you have a couple hatebears on the field you can punish their life total. Expensive to cast, solid choice at 1, maybe 2 for a deck.
Root Maze - This card pulls double duty against fetch lands, and will generally slow the game against any style of deck. A real nice card to look at for turn 1 plays, but multiples don't do anything for you. Good 3x include, but you will occasionally mulligan another hand when you see 2x of this.
Plow Under - Nasty card that can stall out your opponents for two turns. 2-3x if you want to grab this card, absolutely brutal alongside Trinisphere, best used alongside mana acceleration to hit this on turn 3 or 4.
Weathered Wayfarer - Can be a useful card in these types of builds if you want to investigate further into land based tech. Useful alongside the Ravnica bouncelands like Golgari Rot Farm to guarantee further usage. Useful with Manlands to guarantee beaters. Works well with Inventors' Fair if you have a decent amount of artifacts.
Torpor Orb - Everything has some flashy ETB stapled onto it for value these days. Backfires against Uro and the other titans (no sacrifice trigger), but great sideboard material. Peek Hushwing Gryff for a creature alternate.
Leyline of the Void - Nasty card that breaks tons of combos and tons of value
Hokori, Dust Drinker - Another alternate to Thalia that similarly attacks their mana base, tons of lands to get around it like Ravnica bouncelands or Lotus Field. Best at 1-2x, don't wish to see multiples in your hand ever.
Kataki, War's Wage - I don't recommend this guy as Collector Ouphe fills this niche wonderfully, but this is always an option if you have 2-3 equipments you want to run that the ouphe would shut off and don't mind paying the tax for them.
Authority of the Consuls - Works extremely well against aggro, slowing them and giving you small life gain to survive further. Multiples give multiple life triggers, so not totally wasted, good at 3x if you're interested.
Blind Obedience - Enters tapped is nice, the extort helps stabilize you to late game while getting in valuable life loss against your opponent. Multiples give multiple extort triggers, so you can go up to 4x rather easily if you'd like to.
Time of Need - Nice toolbox card if you want to run 1-2x of a handful of legendary creatures for this style of build. Look at Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Hokori, Dust Drinker, Kataki, War's Wage, and Gaddock Teeg. Gives consistency if you're trying to go for a silver bullet kind of build.
Chord of Calling - Lets you pull Aven Mindcensor from your library at instant speed, also gives Mindcensor something to do on the battlefield if you can't swing with it. Once again, powerful in silver bullet style builds.
Grave Pact - Big board control, heavy color weight cost. Targets neither the player nor the creature, so useful against hexproof/shroud and other hyper evasive creatures. Multiples work fully, but you aren't keeping hands with multiples of this in it probably.
Luminarch Ascension - Control or prison style wincon. Lots of these cards slow the game or shut off an opponents plan to win. This card can use the extra turns to come online, and becomes a hyper mana efficient threat when it does. Works very well when playing under adverse mana conditions, like Hokori, Dust Drinker or Smallpox. Your Aven Mindcensor can gain extra usage on turn 4-7 by chump blocking to power this bad boy on. Best in decks that want to slow the game heavily.
Smallpox - Nasty board control, another way to imitate the hate effect Thalia has on an opposing mana base while also hitting creatures in play and forcing a discard. Works best with cards that allow you to mitigate your own downsides, such as Bloodghast, Gravecrawler, Flagstones of Trokair, Ramunap Excavator. Works well with anything that has madness, works well as fuel for delve too. One of these after playing Luminarch Ascension can give it the perfect amount of space to turn on.
Liliana of the Veil - Whole lot of board control, whole lot of hand hate.
Pithing Needle - CMC answer to any planeswalker and tons of juicy cards that players want to resolve.
Fiend Artisan - Toolbox enabler and nasty wincon packed into one. A good choice for silver bullet style builds. The +1/+1 for creatures in the graveyard shouldn't be underestimated, it keeps the card as a live draw later in the game or with no creatures on the field. The hybrid costs help in 3 color mana base
Beastmaster Ascension - Put those bears to work. Works well on stalled out boards, but your bears have to survive the swings to turn this on. I personally don't like this as much as Luminarch Ascension but it is worth looking at as an option, especially if you have a lot of flyers or evasive creatures. Aven Mindcensor flys :)
Tendershoot Dryad - Expensive to cast, but getting a token each upkeep adds up fast. You will hit the cities blessing rather fast, and then it doesn't take too many 3/3 tokens swinging to end a game.
2 months ago
Hey zAzen7977, thanks for your comment !
The third copy of Liliana of the Veil and a one-of Hazoret the Fervent were run before the spoil of Lightning Skelemental, but i had to make room for him. He is the finisher i was looking for and even if i love Hazoret (i still play her in my Demigod of Revenge build), i think the deck doesn't really need her anymore. And yeah, i miss Faithless Looting so much... but it had to go sadly.