Liliana of the Veil

Planeswalker — Liliana

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Discussion (51)

Epicurus on Black No.1

2 days ago

Ok, for the real comment.

You have a very good balance here, and I wouldn't want to mess with that. However, I would use Liliana of the Dark Realms over Liliana of the Veil. You have plenty removal and discard, so only LotV's Ult seems like it adds anything. Albeit, it's a great Ult, I will admit.

Furthermore, if you included LotDR, you could include a couple Consume Spirit pretty easily. And, since you're running 8 fetch lands, you could maybe even throw in a one-of Goblin Charbelcher, just because.

Also, also, mad props for Gatekeeper of Malakir. I don't see that in nearly enough mono-black decks.

I_Want_To_PlayAllTheDecks on Synonyms/Nicknames System for Deckbuilding and ...

3 days ago

Liliana of the Veil should also have her nickname be "Big titted lili"

Femme_Fatale on Synonyms/Nicknames System for Deckbuilding and ...

4 days ago

Introducing the synonyms/nicknames system to alleviate all those "wtf was that one land of that one cycle named?" problems that plague you.

This system is simple. It is designed to redirect terms that you typed out that match a synonym/nickname of a card, to that card name. This lets you never have to remember the name "Seachrome Coast" and can instead just type out "WU Fastland" (as an example). Note that this only works in text edit entries on deck lists and inventory, not the live edit or the card search forms.

There is a lot of other things that are utilised here as well.

• Godzilla Names
• Non-American Spellings
• Common Nicknames
• Common Misspellings
• Redirections of Misspelled Submissions
• Each side of a split card as a synonym (unless they already exist as a card).

Not needing to know the name of each card in a land/artifact cycle is a big boon, but you still need to know the nickname of that cycle and the syntax. For lands/mana rocks/the swords of X and Y at the present moment it is always "XY Nickname" or "YX Nickname". Examples:

• WU Fastland
• GR BFZ
• GW ABUR Dual Land
• BW Fetch

For 2 colour lands, it is always the two colour letters, followed by the nickname, and then followed by the option to have the world land either connected to the nickname or not. (these are all viable options for example: "WU Fast", "UW Fastland", "UW Fast Land".) For 3 colour lands, it is only the primary order of colour letters you see on cards, or the Alara/Khans name. (WUB Lair, Mardu Triome as examples.) Swords and other artifact cycles follow the same setup (though swords can also be "Sword of GB" or "Sword of G and B"), and mono colour land cycles use the same setup just with only one letter. Note that none of these are plural, so don't put that s in. Colourless cards that are a part of a cycle use C/Colorless/Colourless.

Some of these cycles don't have well defined names yet (like BBD) and some of these cycles have had too many names that people constantly fight over so there was no point in bothering to put them all in and instead I just used the TLA (specifically BFZ).

Goals:

The primary purpose of this is to make the ability to tag cards and edit decks/inventory far more robust than what it has been. Tappedout doesn't presently have a spellchecker, and to be fair most sites don't. It's not an easy feature to implement. So with this synonyms/nicknames feature, we can alleviate some of those aggravations of misspellings or different ways to spell a word by making them valid targets and redirecting them to the right card name. Another benefit of this is the ability to give cards shorthands or nicknames when the community largely doesn't remember the actual name of a card, just their shorthand. We have all been hit with "wtf is that land's name again?" when we know for a fact that it's just "the blue and white shadows over innistrad reveal land". This saves the step of having to open up a search engine to figure out the card name, and in general speeds up and makes the process of building decks and inventory, a lot more enjoyable.

Cycles that currently have nicknames: Show

• ABUR Duals as ABUR/Duals/ABUR Duals
• MDR Artifact Lands as Artifact Lands
• AKH Bike Lands as Bikes/Bicycles/Bicyclings/Cycle Lands/Cycling Lands
• BFZ Lands as BFZ/BFZ Lands
• RAV Guildhalls as Guildhalls
• Fastlands
• Fetches
• SHM/EVE Lands as Filters
• Hideaways
• VIS Karoos as Karoos/Bouncelands
• RAV Karoos as Karoos/Bouncelands
• Lairs
• Memorials
• MH1 Lands as Horizons/Canopy Lands
• Painlands
• SOI Lands as SOI Lands/Reveal Lands
• Shocks
• Swords of X and Y as XY Swords/Swords of XY/Swords of X and Y
• Talismans
• Temples as Temples/Scrylands
• IKO Triomes as Triomes/Tricycles/Cycles/Cyclings
• Vivids

A lot of the cycle synonyms are meant to intuitive and robust so that you won't even have to think about knowing what the exact written synonym actually is and still be able to get it right on the first try, though it will take time to reach a point in which this is 100% true. As an example of scope, each recognized nickname for a cycle creates 6 entries for each given card in that cycle. So the AKH lands have 30 entries for each card in that cycle, resulting in a total of 150 entries. The Triomes have the same amount, but if I were to add each individual string combination of the colour letters (WUB, BUW, WBU etc) then that count would increase by 45 for each entry, resulting 75 entries for each one, totalling at 375 entries for the whole cycle.

Nicknames will usually be things like "Snappy", "Bolt", "Path", "Bob", "FoW", etc. They are to be commonly used by the larger community as a whole, not what your FNM/play group exclusively uses (though this isn't a hard set in stone as I'm not omniscient).

Here's a list of nicknames that I have. Show

• Aether Vial: Vial
• Aetherflux Reservoir: Dome Dome
• Assassin's Trophy: Ass Trophy
• Birds of Paradise: Birds, BoP
• Bloodbraid Elf: BBE
• Brimstone Trebuchet: Bucket
• Cavalcade of Calamity: Cavalcade
• Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh  ^Flip: Baby Chandra
• Chandra Nalaar: Zippotricks McEdgelord
• Charming Prince: Prince Charming
• Collected Company: CoCo
• Dark Confidant: Bob
• Dark Ritual: Rit
• Demonic Tutor: DT
• Dig Through Time: DTT
• Eternal Witness: E-Wit, E-Witness
• Explosive Vegetation: Explosive Veggies
• Field of Ruin: FoR
• Force of Will: FoW
• Ghost Quarter: GC
• Gilded Goose: Goose
• Giver of Runes: Mommy, Stepmom
• Goblin Charbelcher: Belcher, Charbelcher
• Gray Merchant of Asphodel: Gary
• Griselbrand: Grizzy B
• Hypnotic Specter: Hippie
• Inquisition of Kozilek: IoK
• Jace, Cunning Castaway: Sexy Jace
• Jace, the Mindsculptor: Jace, JtMS
• Jace, Wielder of Mysteries: Lab Jace,
• Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  ^Flip: Literal Actual Baby Jace
• Jace Beleren: Party Jace
• Karn Liberated: Karn
• Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker: Kiki, Kiki Jiki, Mirror Breaker
• Kitchen Finks: Finks
• Kytheon, Hero of Akros  ^Flip: Baby Gideon, Baby Gids
• Laboratory Maniac: Lab Man, Lab Maniac
• Life from the Loam: Loam
• Lightning Bolt: Bolt
• Lightning Helix: Helix
• Lightning Strike: Strike
• Liliana, Heretical Healer  ^Flip: Baby Lili
• Liliana, the Last Hope: Last Hope
• Liliana of the Veil: Lili, LotV
• Lion's Eye Diamond: LED
• Llanowar Elves: Dork, Elf
• Mother of Runes: Mom
• Nissa, Vastwood Seer  ^Flip: Baby Nissa
• Oblivion Ring: O-Ring
• Oko, Thief of Crowns: Oko
• Path to Exile: Path, PtE
• Pia and Kiran Nalaar: Chandra's Parents, Mom and Dad, Ma and Pa, Pia and Kiran, Parents
• Pia Nalaar: Chandra's Mom, Pia
• Primeval Titan: Prime Time
• Prodigal Sorcerer: Tim
• Sakura-Tribe Elder: STE, Steve
• Savage Punch: Bear Punch
• Scalding Tarn: Tarn
• Scavenging Ooze: Scooze
• Sensei's Divining Top: Top
• Settle the Wreckage: Settle
• Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon: Skittles
• Smuggler's Copter: Copter, Thopter Copter
• Snapcaster Mage: Snapcaster, Snappy
• Solemn Simulacrum: Sad Robot
• Sorin, Solemn Visitor: Sad Sorin
• Splinter Twin: Twin
• Swords to Plowshares: Swords
• Tarmogoyf: Goyf, Goyfy, Tarmo
• Tectonic Edge: Tec Edge, TecEdge
• Teferi, Hero of Dominaria: 5feri, T5feri
• Teferi, Time Raveler: 3feri, T3feri
• The Gitrog Monster: Gitrog, HypnoToad, Hypno Toad
• Thing in the Ice  ^Flip: Titi
• Torrential Gearhulk: Fatcaster
• True-Name Nemesis: TNM, TNN, True-Name
• Ugin, the Spirit Dragon: Eugene, Ugin
• Wrenn and Six: W6, Wand6, Wn6

Here's a list of non-american spellings I have in: Show

• Armour
• Ax/Axe
• Catalogue
• Colour
• Defense
• Favour
• Flavour
• Grey
• Harbour
• Honour
• Humour
• Licence
• Offence
• Paralyse
• Rumour
• Splendour
• Traveller

Here's a list of things that is in the works to do. Show

• All triple coloured land cycles (triomes, lairs, trilands) to have an entry for each of their letter combinations. (Example, bant lands would have WUG, GUW, WGU, GWU, UGW, UWG.)
• All dual coloured land cycles will have the ravnican guild names to replace the two colours as an option.
• All land cycles will have the TLA as an option to replace the nickname.
• All land cycles to have "Nickname XY" format.
• More non-american spellings.
• More common misspellings.
• Cards that have or do not have the word "and", to have a synonym of the opposite.
• Synonym that is a version of the card name but without punctuation.
• Nicknames of all the cards with commas that ignores everything past the comma, provided that it is unique.
• Fringe/old land cycles.
• A lot of mana rock cycles.

Limitations:

A card can have any number of synonyms/nicknames. But only one synonym/nickname can be tied to a card. So if a new card/land cycle gets printed that has covers a misspelling (like an UNcard might) or has that nickname as it's actual card name, those synonyms will get removed (as an example, Snapcaster Mage cannot have Snap as a nickname). We are also looking to limit the amount of times a synonym has to get removed so nicknames of cards during their presence in the standard formats are not likely to be put in, as they become forgotten or even re-used when they rotate out. These are also done manually so sometimes a change might just take a while to do if it encompasses a large number of cards or a large number of synonyms.. We also won't be going through alternate language as possible synonyms because WotC doesn't nearly double check duplicate card names for foreign languages as well as they do for English cards.

This is not something on the card submission form, so it is not available to edit for any user.

If you know of something missing like common misspellings or common non-American spellings that will be needed, or cycle syntaxes that you tried to use but didn't work, post them here and I'll review them for possible inclusion in the future.

EDIT: Before you ask for a nickname etc to be added:

1. Check if it exists first by trying it out.
2. Check if the larger community recognizes it, this is done by going around discords, lgs' and other forums about that nickname.
3. Check if it has any nsfw, discriminatory or derogatory terminology, we straight up will not allow these.

This isn't a system for your pet nickname that your local playgroup uses. This is a system that can utilize nicknames that naturally grew organically out of continued use from the larger mtg community as a whole. This isn't a "which nicknames do you think this system could use" but rather "which nicknames that are used across the world that we have missed".

Sylvarion on Shadow Fae

5 days ago

I liked some of your suggestions. I especially like Mystic Sanctuary and I added 2 of those, and some more Cryptic Command as well. I also added more Thoughtseize while removing the Faerie Seer copies. and one Liliana of the Veil.

tabbs33 on 10-Rack

1 week ago

This is too coincidental to pass up - I was fooling around during shelter-in-place and I came across Nezumi Shortfang / Stabwhisker the Odious. "Huh," I thought, "this reminds me of a card I've seen before, what was it called?" More searching later, I found The Rack, Shrieking Affliction, Davriel, Lavaborn Muse, and Hellfire Mongrel and the creative juices started flowing. I drew inspiration from that and an old list from Caleb Durward to make this deck Rakdos Discard. Definitely much more creature heavy (and expensive money-wise) than yours, but figured I'd share (I'd also love it if you happen to have any suggestions :)

I love the list! Very cool and definitely great that it's such a budget deck! If I could make recommendations, I'd recommend Collective Brutality as it's an awesome, flexible discard spell, Castle Locthwain as a way to help you gain card advantage (and a budget version of Bob), and Liliana of the Veil (although admittedly not budget). Very cool list!

TriusMalarky on GB Removal Tribal

1 week ago

• Your curve looks fine, but I think you want more lategame value. x decks in Modern run Liliana of the Veil, often as 4-ofs. You want something similar in lategame value generation. The planeswalkers you have now are a good start, but I think you really want a couple more, especially if they draw cards. 2 copies of Ob Nixilis Reignited might be good, as repeatable Murder and the ability to draw more cards is pretty good. Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage also does a decent impression of unplayable Lili of the Veil.

• Removal Tribal? You have 10 pieces. I run 4-8 in my non-control decks.

• Chevill seems weird. I think he's better in EDH. Great for politics. Not so great when he's a really situational Howling Mine that is hit by Fatal Push and Lightning Strike, which everyone is running. I admire trying to use him, but I don't think he's gonna see non-EDH play outside of standard.

psionictemplar on

3 weeks ago

Death cloud rock with Uro, Titan of Nature's wrath??? Am I missing the uro somewhere or did it get dropped from the deck? Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger would be a better color fit.

Nitpicking question aside, I have some legitimate questions and concerns about your build.

1. Arbor Elf and Utopia Sprawl: With only 7 "forests" in the deck, making use of these 2 might be problematic. Not to mention it could result in a lot of extra losses when you Death Cloud. Original cloud decks use to run things like Sakura-Tribe Elder (steve) and Solemn Simulacrum (jens) to speed up the deck and protect against aggro decks. They might do well here.

2. I think you need more lands. I realize you have Wrenn and Six to help build/recover your mana base, but if you aren't drawing your correct fetchlands and basics, it might make things really awkward. Not to mention that you have 25 cards that cost 3 or more mana. Plus if you ever do get to ultimate wrenn you'll want the lands for the retrace.

3. Klothys, God of Destiny: Are you intending to attack with this or is it here mainly for its ability? I can't see this being a creature very often.

What I do like about this deck is the use of planeswalkers and how they aren't impacted by Death Cloud. I think Liliana, the Last Hope might work better than Liliana of the Veil. It could control early game creatures and what could be played early after a cloud. Not to mention it could get back steve or kroxa if you want to go that route.

Anyhow, hope it helps or gives you things to think about. I can try to explain better down the line if what I've wrote isn't making sense.

MTGconstructor on How to Get Kicked out of Your Playgroup

1 month ago

Kaioken88 If you want to add in more competitive cards Here is a list: Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Yosei, the Morning Star, Acidic Slime, Liliana of the Veil, Reveillark, Survival of the Fittest, Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord, Phyrexian Altar, Ashnod's Altar, Grave Titan, Tooth and Nail, Savannah, Scrubland, and Bayou. But in all honesty, its how you play the deck and if you want to combo off or not that will determine if you are competitive or not