Liliana of the Veil

Planeswalker — Liliana

+1: Each player discards a card.

-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.

-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of their choice.

Discussion (49)

zAzen7977 on TINYBONES: TINY PUNISHER (Mono-Black Stax)

1 week ago

Hey Nyrmak and theindigoeffect, you bring up really important points about how to distribute discard effects in multiplayer games. The trick is reading the room and knowing which players to antagonize and when. If you attract too much hate, one or more players will gang up on you and it will be difficult to handle them all simultaneously.

Ultimately the goal is to use as little mana as possible to kill each player. To do that you want each player to have 0 cards in hand, so you can do 10 damage to each player with Tinybones for a single activation cost. Unless other players are constantly drawing cards with card effects, organically each player should eventually run out of cards in hand as they play lands and spells.

Once you trigger Tinybones once, each player will suddenly realize you are the biggest threat on the table. So ideally you want to set up the board to lock it down before you pull the trigger. Ideally you’ll want to start the game or tutor for permanents that make each player discard every turn, including Anvil of Bogardan , Bottomless Pit , Necrogen Mists , Chains of Mephistopheles , Oppression , Words of Waste , and Liliana of the Veil (although she is easier to remove). Other non-permanent options for making each opponent discard are Vicious Rumors , Delirium Skeins , and retracing Raven's Crime . All this discarding during each player’s turn will allow you to draw lots of cards with Tinybones. Once each player is down to only a few cards in hand, that’s when you target individual players with the most cards with discard spells to get them down to 0 cards. Once your opponents are forced to top-deck every turn, it will usually be too late for them to escape.

Obviously this is easier said that done, but that’s what makes this deck so fun to pilot!

greyninja on Cards like Abandon hope.

2 weeks ago

Went to Google and searched "each player discards"

Delirium Skeins
Cunning Lethemancer
Necrogen Mists
Bottomless Pit
Miasmic Mummy
Rotting Rats
Earsplitting Rats
Sibsig Icebreakers
Liliana of the Veil
Liliana, Waker of the Dead
Rankle, Master of Pranks
Stronghold Rats
Oppression

Discard is super evil! Haha be prepared to be the archenemy!

Poseidon31 on 8 Rack *Budget*

1 month ago

DreadKhan Thy for your insights. Necrogen Mists seems to be good to have a copy in it, more as a cheap Liliana of the Veil replacement. But Hymn to Tourach is the card i want to play, besides Sinkhole . So that brings me to keep it in the Main. But i have to playtest the Deck, if possible in the next month. Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage is in my Maybe Board alreay as a 9th Rack.

The next Update will bring Wasteland instead of Ghost Quarter and maybe a third Urborg. But Liliana of the Veil has to wait to be in here. She will replace Ob Nixilis in the future build.

DreadKhan on 8 Rack *Budget*

1 month ago

In my very limited experience, I found that cards like Necrogen Mists and Bottomless Pit felt more effective than Hymn, especially in games where I only got 1 (or could only keep 1 out) Rack, and the opponent could stabilize eventually. 1 of those makes it impossible to stabilize for most decks, and a 2nd will turn your Racks on in a turn or 2. I think if you run enough Racks, longer games aren't an issue, but at 8, I worry some will end up stretched out.

Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage isn't a terrible card in a deck like this, offering both discard and an additional Rack, if a bad one. Another odd card that can work is Augur of Skulls , a surprisingly handy chump blocker, and can sac to cost the opponent 2 cards if you don't need him, for only 2 mana, which is hilariously better than Mind Rot at least.

If you want a higher budget target, Liliana of the Veil is straight up amazing in a deck like this, arguably the best card ever printed for a deck like this. I'd run it over Mind Twist in a heartbeat, and that's banned for some reason. Running more Lilianas enables you to benefit fully from Liliana's Triumph , a painfully useful card vs decks running creatures, and along with a Lil is likely going to clear their board.

I don't think you really need to change your deck, just wanted to bring some things to your attention. Good work!

Apollo_Paladin on Pox

1 month ago

Nice build! +1

Check out Liliana's Caress to help speed up wins with all that discard maybe?

Jonesbond49 on Friends with Atraxa

1 month ago

Card advantage (8/10): Reki, the History of Kamigawa (31 Legendaries), Jace, Unraveler of Secrets, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Kiora, the Crashing Wave, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, Teferi, Temporal Archmage, Oath of Jace, and Tezzeret's Gambit.

Ramp (14/10): Kethis, the Hidden Hand , Wood Elves, Kiora, the Crashing Wave, Nissa, Who Shakes the World, Oath of Ajani (not for your commander), Chromatic Lantern, Sol Ring, Cultivate, Explosive Vegetation, Farseek, Grow from the Ashes, Kodama's Reach, Tempt with Discovery, and Harrow.

Removal (14/5): Liliana of the Veil (Unreliable Removal), Liliana, Waker of the Dead, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Sorin Markov, Sorin, Grim Nemesis, Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, Vraska the Unseen, Vraska, Relic Seeker, Oath of Kaya, Oath of Liliana (Unreliable Removal), Assassin's Trophy, Path to Exile, and Swords to Plowshares.

Board Wipes (11/5): Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, Contagion Engine (slow but works well with your deck), Cleansing Nova, Languish, Merciless Eviction, Sublime Exhalation, Supreme Verdict, Urza's Ruinous Blast, Wrath of God, and Cyclonic Rift.

griffstick on Tergrid's Orthophobia

1 month ago

Liliana of the Veil would be perfect here.

BelerenBoi on I Make This Look Good (Mono Black Control)

2 months ago

Thanks, Davriel was in the original build but I decided to run some more classic combo Disruption in the form of Dark Ritual + Hypnotic Specter , but Davriel is sort of like Liliana of the Veil. Thanks for the suggestion!