Liliana of the Veil
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Brawl Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Pre-release Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Standard Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Liliana of the Veil

Planeswalker — Liliana

+1: Each player discards a card.

-2: Target player sacrifices a creature.

-6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of their choice.

zapyourtumor on Jund Twist - Modern

2 months ago

Yeah so the best discard outlet, Faithless Looting, was banned a while ago (victim of HOEgaak that disgusting deck).

The best 2 mana discard outlet in red being played in most reanimation decks is Bitter Reunion currently, because after Persisting an Archon of Cruelty you can give it haste and attack for another trigger which is backbreaking. Here, the second ability is probably less relevant since Goryo's gives haste, but I still think it's better than the other options. The main issue with Faithless Salvaging is that its both slow and you're also going down on card advantage, UNLESS: you play it with cards in your hand, and then cast all cards in your hand, so you only draw a card on rebound (breaking even). Or you cast it with no cards in your hand, drawing two cards over two turns (generating card advantage).

Unfortunately many of the other good discard outlets are in blue, examples being: Prismari Command, Faithful Mending, Tainted Indulgence, Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip, Ledger Shredder, etc.

As I said the kind of discard outlet you run generally depends on what you want the deck to do: I'd say they are all tradeoffs between speed and power. On the fastest side we have Haggle, which can be used for turn 2 hasty Boar + Emmy although it requires 4 cards in hand. Somewhere in between but still towards the faster side we have all of the 2 mana discard spells in red. And then further toward the power side we have cards like Collective Brutality. And further still we have all the generally good cards like Fable, Spyro, etc. So basically you need to decide what balance between speed and grinding power you want the deck to have. To try and make it easier I rated all of the options in jund colors I think are worth considering along three criteria: speed, power, and flexibility. Given that this deck is a grindy midrange deck at heart (or at least I think that is what you are aiming for), speed can be useful but power and flexibility are more important in my opinion.

Speed 9 Power 1 Flex 1: Merchant of the Vale (1 mana discard spell, fast but that's all there is)

9, 2, 4: Bone Shards (also fast, but generally more relevant mid/late)

7, 5, 1: Cathartic Reunion (powerful but inflexible, seen in dredge)

7, 2, 4: Cathartic Pyre (flexible but weak)

7, 3, 2: Thrill of Possibility (less all in version of Cathartic Reunion)

7, 3, 4: Bitter Reunion (more flexible vers. of Thrill)

7, 5, 8: Collective Brutality (most flexible 2 cmc discard outlet in BRG)

6, 3, 4: Faithless Salvaging (slow, weak, only generates CA in late game)

5, 6, 5: Territorial Kavu (even slower because requires attack trigger)

4, 7, 7: Seasoned Pyromancer (both powerful and flexible, can generate bodies or CA)

3, 7, 8: Liliana of the Veil (powerful and flexible, threat + removal + discard)

2, 8, 8: Fable of the Mirror-Breaker  Flip (slowest 3 cmc option, tons of grind power + flexibility)

Additional notes:

zapyourtumor on Jund Twist - Modern

2 months ago

You definitely don't need Thud or Fling in my opinion. After swinging with Ilharg and Emmy, any jundy midrange deck should be able to straight up win. Also, Thud being sorcery speed is definitely relevant because there's more stuff that can kill emrakul now, the biggest offender being Solitude.

I would recommend adding just straight up good cards that happen to be discard outlets, as opposed to mediocre cards like Merchant of the Vale which is only good as a discard outlet. Spyro is great for sure, but I'd also recommend Fable of the Mirror-Breaker  Flip and Liliana of the Veil.

I think you should also run Wrenn and Six if you can afford it. W6 is obviously really strong in midrange decks but also works well in combo-midrange type decks like creativity, because she guarantees your land drops making it easier to hit 5 lands for Ilharg. She also synergizes well with many of the discard outlets I suggested, specifically Fable and LotV.

Grim Flayer allowing you to put Ilharg in the graveyard seems okay, but that requires Ilharg to be in your top three cards. I feel like Tarmogoyf might be straight up better, and even if you discard emrakul you still have your opponents graveyard's card types. It kind of sucks that you only have 3 sorceries though, but if you run walkers like wrenn it is probably fine.

Lastly, I think Fury is stronger in these kinds of decks than Grief. Since you aren't all in on the combo, I don't think you need Grief's combo protection and Fury's midrange power seems more valuable.

Jett2112 on

2 months ago

I think Lord Xander, the Collector is a worthwhile commander. My favorite thing is the dies trigger. Try Pox, Liliana of the Veil and Smokestack to help Xander die while adding synergy with Xander's control aspects.

Mousemke on Project Murder

2 months ago

some upgrades you may like for modern

Cabal Coffers more mana than you know what to do with

Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth makes up for coffers not producing black, opens up the ability to use other utility lands in the future

Vesuva more coffers!

Dauthi Voidwalker would you like that big creature they just sacrificed?

Liliana of the Veil sacrifice and discard at your discression

Torment of Hailfire remember all that cabal coffers mana?

Crawling Barrens another great place to put all that black mana

Surgical Extraction could be good mainboard, maybe sideboard?

Invoke Despair sacrifice all the things

Go Blank maybe sideboard graveyard removal

Gray Merchant of Asphodel not sure if it makes sense but you do already have one devotion card and gary is great

Feed the Swarm all the sacrifice enchantment things could prob be replaced with this and even this is maybe sideboard material - always do your best not to give the opponent a choice

Liliana's Triumph could replace some of the libation, especially if you end up adding lilly

Castle Locthwain hooray for card draw!

Dark Confidant hooray for card draw!

Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek maybe main, maybe sideboard. what if they have no creatures?

CheapnFast on King Narfi's Revenge

2 months ago

Dead_Blue_, I haven't really had the chance to test the deck against more competitive decks than some casual matches with friends, but so far I would call it more of a fun deck than something that would compete against top-tier modern decks. The tap lands are a necessary evil just because you need a critical mass of snow lands to get Narfi, Betrayer King out consistently on turn 3. I also wanted to keep the deck pretty budget-friendly, but if I wanted to make the deck less clunky and less budget, a playset of Polluted Delta instead of Frost Marsh would probably be the way to go without sacrificing access to snow lands. If I was going to move away from the decks budget restrictions, I would probably also play Liliana of the Veil instead of Collective Brutality, but that would really be my only major change that might make the deck slightly more competitive.

Dead_Blue_ on Returning to mtg

4 months ago

Mono Green Stompy or Infect

Mono Red Prowess or Burn or Hollow One

Mono Blue Delver or Affinity or Merfolk

Tron

Mono Black 8Rack or Control or Zombies

Mono White Tokens or Budget Death & Taxes

You could also build a “Boomer” deck as a lot of former staples such as Path to Exile, Snapcaster Mage and Liliana of the Veil or Tarmogoyf are dirt cheap compared to what they used to be

Chasmolinker on Mono Black Nighthawk

4 months ago

Hey mememan3310. First off, welcome back!

Some amount of removal is always necessary. Combo and Flying can be tough match-ups for Mono Black without enough discard/removal. 3-4 Fatal Push and 1-2 Murderous Rider are good options with 1-2 copies of Infernal Grasp I like 6-8 hard removal spells as Mono Black is typically a Mid-Range deck. Don't sleep on Gelatinous Cube either. I've stolen plenty of games with that card.

I would stick with 4 Duress and probably cut Agonizing Remorse since the only thing you really need to hit with discard in Mono-black are Non-creature spells. If you want something more versatile, Thoughtseize is your best option.

Sword-Point Diplomacy is a cute card draw spell, but they probably just let you draw the lands or irrelevant cards, (i.e. creature removal against planeswalkers). I personally prefer Sorin the Mirthless or Reckoner Bankbuster for card draw. Unwilling Ingredient is another pet favorite of mine although probably not what you should be running.

I know a lot of people run Evolved Sleeper The card just doesn't resonate with me. It often dies to removal after you've already sunk your mana into it. It reminds me of Hexdrinker in that it can be great if you max it out but getting there uninterrupted is difficult to pull off. I prefer Concealing Curtains  Flip and Knight of the Ebon Legion in the 1-drop spot.

Gray Merchant of Asphodel or Invoke Despair are two really solid finishers in Mono-Black. If you can swing Liliana of the Veil and Sheoldred, the Apocalypse you won't be disappointed.

There are so many good cards in Mono-Black that it is tough to squeeze everything in sometimes. 22 Lands seems too low. A single Takenuma, Abandoned Mire, Field of Ruin, and Hive of the Eye Tyrant are worth looking at as utility lands. I'd try to get 24-25 lands in there since most of the powerful Mono-Black spells fall in the 3+ MV range.

Chasmolinker on A Comprehensive Primer for Pioneer Jund Midrange

4 months ago

Looking forward to your results/thoughts on Liliana of the Veil

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