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wallisface on Spinjutsu
35 minutes ago
The list definitely looks a lot more solid!
You’ll need to do some playtesting but you might find that Counterspell becomes kindof awkward to play - in that most early-mid turns where your spending 2-3 mana casting creatures, you won’t also have enough mana held up to counter. Defo playtest a bunch to see whether that is the case (because it might not be a problem), but if you do keep finding Counterspell awkward, you might find it more useful to swap those slots for extra copies of Drown in the Loch, Spell Pierce, and/or Inquisition of Kozilek. Inquisition and Spell Pierce being only 1 mana makes them extremely relevant while allowing you to maintain tempo, and Drown being able to be used aggressively helps when you’re trying to keep applying pressure.
But in any case, i think playtest what’s here now, and iron out the kinks from there - the deck defo looks like it can win some games.
All4EatingBacon on Spinjutsu
1 hour ago
First of all wallisface, thanks for the suggestions. I completely agree with your points, so I went ahead and swapped out some cards, as you can see in the update, for more interaction. This included mainly Counterspell and Spell Pierce as well as Inquisition of Kozilek for some discard. I tossed in the 23rd land, since consistency is always important, and then I'm off to do some more playtesting. If you wouldn't mind helping me out some more, I'd love to know any other interaction staples you've found that work best.
wallisface on Blue/black mill
1 month ago
- It looks like you're currently trying to do 3 different things here: mill your opponent out, combo-off, and deal them 20 damage. This is just going to weaken your overall gameplan because whichever way to try to win, only half of the cards you draw are going to help with that. I would suggest you reorganize the deck to be entirely-focused on the mill plan, entirely focused on the Duskmantle Guildmage combo, or entirely focused on the beatdown plan.
If you're wanting to build a Mill Deck:
There are no creatures at all worth running except for Hedron Crab and Ruin Crab. Nothing else is even remotely worth the effort of running, because nothing else really helps with the goal of milling your opponent.
Also something to be aware of, is that you need any card that is milling to get at least 8 cards from your opponents deck (try to compare mill spells as burn spell, except you need to do 53 damage instead of 20 - so the same way that burn can never justify running Shock, mill can never justify running Tome Scour). Any less than this, and you just end up empty-handed with your opponent still alive. So I would suggest ditching Mind Grind, Tome Scour, Traumatize, both the planeswalkers, and your artifacts. I would also say to get rid of Fraying Sanity because that card is just bad. Instead look to add things like Fractured Sanity, Maddening Cacophony and Archive Trap.
You'll want a decent amount of interaction in the form of Surgical Extraction and Fatal Push, as well as Drown in the Loch. Crypt Incursion is also great to keep yourself alive longer
An example deck of how this looks here
If you're wanting to build a Combo Deck:
you'll want to up your copies of Mindcrank to a full playset. You also want ways to fetch both your combo pieces in the way of cards like Dimir Infiltrator and Muddle the Mixture, as well as draw spells like Consider or Serum Visions.
Duskmantle Guildmage is the only real creature you need to run, though its worth also considering Spellskite as a way to protect your combo pieces, and Vendilion Clique as either a way to fix your own hand, or mess with your opponents.
Your other cards should mainly be focused on ensuring your opponent can't disrupt what you're doing. Spell Pierce and Counterspell will be great here, as well as proactive cards like Inquisition of Kozilek. Because you only really want to slow your opponent down, stuff like Vapor Snag can be decent too (note this card can also start the combo triggering once you have the pieces in play).
A budget dechtech example with description, list & video this deck here
If you're wanting to build a Creature-beatdown Deck:
You probably don't want to be doing much milling at all, or at least you don't want to be running any cards that only mill. The most practical route to go down is probably using Rogues, with cards like Thieves' Guild Enforcer and Soaring Thought-Thief.
A budget dechtech example with description, list & video this deck here
aholder7 on Minotaurs gang
1 month ago
I'm a big fan of minotaurs as well. The main thing you will need to contend with for minotaurs is that despite being red/black it's not very fast without something like Aether Vial to drop additional threats. And if it's trying to go fast cards like Kragma Warcaller are going to come down way too late. The second big problem you will be fighting is card advantage. I know that you are trying to get the 1 card or less ability on Neheb, the Worthy but every card is a resource and you are throwing yours away with cards like Bone Shards and Bloodrage Brawler. You'll get down to 1 card in hand pretty easily if your curve is lower. Third problem. All of the good creatures are at 3 mana. you have Neheb, the Worthy, Rageblood Shaman, Glint-Horn Buccaneer, Felhide Petrifier, and Ragemonger.
So is all lost for the horned and hooved? I think we can make it work (though if you just like tribal and don't care which tribe, vampires might be a better BR tribe for you). It might shift how the deck feels a bit. Even looking at other minotaurs not in your list there just aren't enough good ones at low CMCs to make this an aggro deck. Territorial Kavu is going to be a 2 mana 5/5 with no downsides for decks that want it. a Bloodrage Brawler just won't compete on speed and power. So i suggest embracing the slowness and trying to fight as a midrange deck where we want the game to go a bit longer.
I think you can utilize cards like Sardian Cliffstomper and Glint-Horn Buccaneer that work well in a grindier game. You could also use a couple discard spells like Inquisition of Kozilek to help fill out the low end of your curve. Neheb, the Worthy also pairs nicely with Felhide Petrifier.
lastly Rakdos Charm is an amazing spell, but it should probably be in your sideboard, not your mainboard.
could end up something like this
-3 Bone Shards -4 Rakdos Charm -4 Bloodrage Brawler -1 Neheb, the Worthy -3 Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion
+4 Inquisition of Kozilek +2 Duress (or whatever other discard spell you like) +4 Sardian Cliffstomper +2 Felhide Petrifier +3 Glint-Horn Buccaneer
Mousemke on Project Murder
2 months ago
some upgrades you may like for modern
Cabal Coffers more mana than you know what to do with
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth makes up for coffers not producing black, opens up the ability to use other utility lands in the future
Vesuva more coffers!
Dauthi Voidwalker would you like that big creature they just sacrificed?
Liliana of the Veil sacrifice and discard at your discression
Torment of Hailfire remember all that cabal coffers mana?
Crawling Barrens another great place to put all that black mana
Surgical Extraction could be good mainboard, maybe sideboard?
Invoke Despair sacrifice all the things
Go Blank maybe sideboard graveyard removal
Gray Merchant of Asphodel not sure if it makes sense but you do already have one devotion card and gary is great
Feed the Swarm all the sacrifice enchantment things could prob be replaced with this and even this is maybe sideboard material - always do your best not to give the opponent a choice
Liliana's Triumph could replace some of the libation, especially if you end up adding lilly
Castle Locthwain hooray for card draw!
Dark Confidant hooray for card draw!
Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek maybe main, maybe sideboard. what if they have no creatures?
zapyourtumor on Dragons,Speed, and Control
2 months ago
First off, if you are going for a more midrange-control type deck where you control the board before slamming down big haymakers, cards like Dragonlord's Servant and other ramp spells that aim to turbo out dragons faster don't actually fit well with the deck. I would cut all 3 copies and replace with more interaction.
Moonveil Regent is a dragon I really like, since it generates a ton of card advantage once you're in top decking mode (which most midrange decks aim to get to). Could maybe slot in 2.
You could potentially cut a land and go down to 22, if you need to. I also think that you should run fetches if you can afford them, along with a few utility lands.
Draconic Roar is cute and fits with the dragon theme, unfortunately it is strictly worse than Lightning Bolt in 99% of situations. I would go 4 Bolts.
I would also diversify your removal suite a bit. Unless artifacts are a huge problem in your meta, you could trim 1 K-Command and 1 Bloodchief's Thirst for 2 Terminates which is a good catch-all answer for bigger creatures (ahem murktide).
Inquisition of Kozilek if you need more discard spells.
For the sideboard, Hidetsugu Consumes All Flip is a really strong card against a lot of decks, completely blowing out hammer and rhinos while also being strong against murktide, burn, random urza's saga decks, and even the occasional bogles deck.
Blood Moon is always an option in these kinds of decks, maindeck or sideboard.
Brotherhood's End is another sideboard boardwipe against artifact decks and aggro decks, much faster than Crux of Fate since you can sometimes lose before getting to 5 lands.
zapyourtumor on Murky Waters
2 months ago
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I think the main decision you have to make with this deck is whether you want it to be a true control deck or a tempo deck. A true control deck would try to trade one for one and build card advantage before dropping a threat like Murktide or Jace or simply winning with Snappy beatdown. A tempo deck on the other hand would try to turbo out a quick Murktide and then protect that threat.
Mixing control and tempo is nothing new, and it sometimes works quite well. But because a lot of the cards from each type of deck don't necessarily go well together, you can sometimes end up in an awkward situation.
Here, you definitely have a mix of both types (which, I'd like to emphasize, is not necessarily bad). Archmage's Charm, Counterspell, Cryptic Command, Snapcaster Mage, Devastation Tide and Jace, the Mind Sculptor are all heavily control-flavored cards in your deck. They all either break even or generate card advantage, or massively stall out the game.
On the other hand, Force of Negation, Otherworldly Gaze, Thought Scour, Spell Pierce, and Subtlety are all tempo-flavored cards.
The problem with this combination in this deck is that half of your cards aim to turbo out a Murktide Regent as fast as possible with Otherworldly Gaze and Thought Scour and then protect it in the short term with cheap spells like Dismember, Force of Negation, Subtlety, and Spell Pierce. The main problems with these cards is that they are pretty terrible topdecks late game. Scour isn't too bad because it cantrips, but topdecking a Gaze when you really needed a counterspell or card advantage engine or a Murktide would probably feel terrible. And all the control-type cards aim to reach that stage of the game.
One example of a problem that arises when you try and combine these two archetypes is in the manabase. Tempo decks typically don't need many lands; depending on the deck's mana curve, we are generally looking at 19-20 lands, and occasionally even 18 or less. On the other hand, control decks almost always want at least 22-23 lands, sometimes up to 24-26 lands in order to reliably play their more expensive spells on curve like Archmage's Charm, Cryptic Command and Snapcaster Mage, and to also always have mana held up during their opponents turn for a reactive spell.
Of course, many cards fit very flexibly into both tempo and control decks, for example Counterspell is just so strong it works in both, while Consider being a cheap cantrip also fits into both types. So in my opinion one of the most important decisions you should make, if you want to make the deck more cohesive and just function smoother as a whole, is whether you want to lean more towards tempo or control.
Quick disclaimer: I think it is definitely possible to make the deck more competitive while keeping both tempo and control aspects; however you should probably then trim both the very slow control-leaning cards (Cryptic Command, Devastation Tide, Jace, the Mind Sculptor), and the cheap tempo-leaning cards (Otherworldly Gaze, Thought Scour, Force of Negation) and replace them with cards more towards the middle ground. The rest of the cards, like Archmage's Charm, Subtlety, Force of Negation, Spell Pierce, Dismember, and of course Murktide Regent are all flexible enough that they can slot into both types of decks.
The second important decision to make is what secondary color, if any, you want for your deck in order to complement the primary color (blue). The main issue with mono blue control is that you have very few ways to deal with resolved permanents, which is why most players typically splash white or black (or occasionally red). Blue only has access to bounce spells, which are decent in tempo decks but generally bad in control decks because they are card disadvantage (and also terrible late).
Here, I see you kind of "splashed" black, but your only maindeck spell with black pips uses phyrexian mana anyways, while the only black spell in your sideboard can be casted with only blue mana. In my opinion, since you already have black lands, I would commit fully to a UB manabase by including a few more fetches (U fetches since that's your main color) because it gives you access to a lot of strong options:
Drown in the Loch is a really good spell doubling as both removal and countermagic at only 2 cmc, and only gets stronger as the game goes on. Fatal Push is another great removal spell which is generally stronger than Dismember, although it needs at least around 7 fetches to show its full potential. You can also run discard like Inquisition of Kozilek, although that is more tempo/midrange-esque so it may not be a great fit for this deck. Black also gives you an actual boardwipe in the form of Damnation, which is definitely a lot stronger than something like Devastation Tide since it gets rid of the creatures permanently and indirectly generates CA by trading with multiple enemy creature cards. It also doesn't hit Jace. If you don't think you need it in the mainboard, it can be a great sideboard inclusion. Lastly you have access to some sideboard options like Unmoored Ego.
If all of the blue pip spells like Counterspell and Archmage's Charm have you worried about mana fixing issues, you can run the filter land Sunken Ruins which is great in these types of decks to ensure you can cast both BB and UUU spells.
Those two main points aside, I have a few other card suggestions I think could work well here, some of which lean more control and some which lean more tempo.
Ledger Shredder is a great card which leans a bit more towards tempo but unlike Gaze/Thought Scour it helps turbo out a Murktide while also growing into a significant threat itself.
Aether Gust and Mystical Dispute are decent color-specific sideboard cards.
Remand is a tempo-leaning card that is generally not great in pure control lists, but could be good here if you decide to stick to the turbo murktide strategy.
Spreading Seas is probably the best sideboard option mono-blue has against Urza's Saga.
Memory Deluge has a bit of antisynergy with Murktide, but a very good digging spell if you decide to go towards control.
Orvar, the All-Form is another great sideboard card which instantly turns the tables on any Creativity player thinking they auto won the game after cheating out an early Archon of Cruelty.
If you made it this far, thanks for reading all of my comments. I like the deck and I'm excited to see where you can take it in the future. Happy brewing!
wallisface on Grixis wincons viability
2 months ago
I think you're going about this a bit wrong. Grixis decks typcically don't want to be winning by any kind of big flashy-combos, or high-mana-cards. Their gameplan is typically to grind away any kind of proactive play from the opponent, and then quickly edge-out a win before the opponent can recoup from all that early-game disruption.
To that end, iconic Grixis spells include Lightning Bolt, Fatal Push, Inquisition of Kozilek, Thoughtseize, Counterspell, Spell Pierce, and Stubborn Denial, as well as occasionally some stuff like Drown in the Loch, Expressive Iteration, and Unholy Heat. Their creatures are often cards that can hit hard fast, or come with free value - things like Death's Shadow, Snapcaster Mage, Dragon's Rage Channeler, Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer, Gurmag Angler, Ledger Shredder, and occasionally things like Tasigur, the Golden Fang or Murktide Regent.
So, their gameplan is typically a very straightforward one - every one of their cards provides value on its own, everything is fairly low-mana-curve, and the overall goal is to quickly disrupt your opponents ability to play, and then kill them before they recover.
In terms of the cards you've suggested, I would say they don't really fit into any kind of typical Grixis shell, for the following reasons:
Cormela, Glamour Thief is a very high-costing card with very low relative value for that mana-investment. Same goes for Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God.
Grapeshot is a combo card and something better having a deck dedicated towards making it work. Instead of trying to do value-plays, you try and combo off asap. This archetype already exists in Modern as Storm, so has no real home/reason-to-exist outside of that. Similarly, as Grixis isn't trying to do any flashy combos, Manamorphose & Dramatic Reversal have super-limited/non-existant use.
Lazav, the Multifarious doesn't really do anything or add anything important to be worth building around, imo. Grixis decks especially often have a super-low creature count, which makes its ability pretty niche. Maybe it's a "pet card" that could fit as a 1-of in a death's shadow brew?
Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger is a fine card to include in Grixis decks, as many decks already run this (though often as only a 1-of or 2-of at most) - it definately requires some deckbuilding considerations to include it though. I think Ob Nixilis, the Adversary could potentially fit within a Grixis shell, though Grixis decks do often run a very small quantity of creatures, and this may pose a problem.
Now, most of these cards you can still easily build decks around, though I would say you generally don't want to be trying to fit them into typical "Grixis" builds. Some of these cards fit a lot better in UR combo decks (Grapeshot, Manamorphose) for example. I would say that all the cards you've mentioned will have some home within modern, baring only Cormela, Glamour Thief (the card is trash) and Dramatic Reversal (there's just better ways to achieve anything this card is trying to achieve).
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