Fire / Ice

Instant

Fire:

Fire deals 2 damage divided as you choose among any number of one or two targets (creature, player or planeswalker).

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Ice:

Tap target permanent.

Draw a card.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pauper	Legal
Pauper Duel Commander	Legal
Pauper EDH	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Premodern	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (32)

Khurgar on Modern Lands

2 months ago

Allright, so here's the "how the fk does it work?" part.

The deck is a prett slow one that takes some time before it really activates, so several cards both in the main deck and side board are there to mitigate the pressure that we might suffer from early plays. Lightning Bolt, Fire / Ice and Arboreal Grazer fills these slots in the main deck.

What the deck wants to do is generally to discard lands with Seismic Assault to deal damage to the enemy, then use cards such as Wrenn and Six, Life from the Loam and Slogurk, the Overslime to recur those lands to your hand again.

Trade Routes is used for 3 reasons. The first is pretty straight forwards, use your land cards in hand to generate new cards. Second use is to be able to play your channel lands early in the game to give mana while being able to pick them up later in the game to use their channel effect. And the third one is to make Slogurk, the Overslime to grow rapidly. If you discard a land and opt to dredge a Life from the Loam, Slogurk, the Overslime can grow anywhere between +1 to +4 +1/+1 counters for a single mana, ontop of digging for utility lands that you can return later.

Sadly I have not had a lot of time playtesting it, and I think that the sideboard needs a lot of work. First and foremost I feel like I have doubled down a bit too hard on artifact hate, albeit with a lot of cards with multi purpose.

Anyways, the rundown of why I included the cards are as follows: Damping Sphere was included to stop decks such as tron and titan, and it also works well versus decks such as breach or storm or other more jank combos such as neobrand.

Pithing Needle and Relic of Progenitus dont need explaining.

Brotherhood's End was included to deal with asmo decks, affinity, prison tron, goblins, merfolk and other similar decks to these.

Force of Vigor is in the deck solely because I have no way to stop a turn 2 kill from hammer, other than blocking with an Arboreal Grazer. I am strongly considering cutting it though.

Haywire Mite is included to stop Kaldra Compleat, but will probably see play in the same games that my other artifact and enchantment hate cards.

Otawara, Soaring City is just so that you are more likely to draw them, especially in matchups where they run pithing needle to stop Boseiju, Who Endures, but is also really good for returning combo pieces to hand, or just big beaters like murktide. Its also really good vs tokens.

Boseiju, Who Endures just a really solid card, deals with most problems the deck faces, such as graveyard hate and blood moon effects.

Bojuka Bog is a fantastic card in this deck. With this card and Trade Routes you can exile your opponents graveyard every turn if you'd like, although it is only in sorcery speed.

Cards that I would like to experiment with: Expressive Iteration is a card that I am gonna experiment with in place of Fire / Ice. I think that Fire / Ice is much better at stalling out the game, but expressive is such a valuable card to have in the mid game.

Academy Ruins and Buried Ruin to be able to get artifacts back from the graveyard.

Shadowspear to deal with agressive matchups where the opponent have no good way of dealing with my constructs or Slogurk, the Overslime.

Orvar, the All-Form versus decks that enjoy discarding your hand, so generally versus decks that runs archong or liliana.

I hope you enjoyed the read, give me some thoughts in the comments if you have any =)

Delphen7 on Venerated Rotpriest Combo Discussion

3 months ago

Having been competitively playing the list since its spoiling, I'll share some thoughts.

Discard

As nbarry223 noted discard is absurdly good against the deck. My LGS has a couple of 8Rack floating around, and I've discovered its a horrendous matchup. Smallpox is also awful.

Chalice

I run Cavern of Souls so I can cast Rotpriest through Chalice and Rotpriest doesn't care if the spells are countered. Most decks don't have Caverns though, so Chalice would be good, unless more people pick up on the tech.

Leyline of Sanctity

Leyline is good against it as plakjekaas mentioned, but no one really plays it. I'm personally running Glistener Elf which doesn't care about it, but most versions, especially the Breach variants, will probably just fold to it.

Speaking of Breach, it's the most popular iteration right now, and it's fairly weak to graveyard hate, as Breach is how it tries to build up storm. Some lists aren't on it though, so antigraveyard is not a catchall.

Removal

Bolt and Heat often can't kill Rotpriest (Gather Courage and Mutagenic Growth), but Fury usually does enough damage and Solitude just eats it. Prismatic Ending/Leyline Binding work as well, but it seems to not be as heavily played right now.

Countermagic

Eh. The only things I actually care if they resolve are Rotpriests, and most decks aren't countering that t1 (Unless Minor Misstep picks up play).

Combo

Combo has been one the better matchups thus far. Fire / Ice is usually not enough to kill the Rotpriest, and the deck tends to move faster than Rhinos, Creativity, Prime Time, and Hammertime. TBH I don't know if there's any deck that can win as fast as it can on a good hand, especially since stock Hammertime no longer plays Ornithopter.

Melira

I don't think the deck could function through either Melira, but I doubt it's worth the sideboard slots right now. I'd say if your local meta has a fair share of Rotpriest, the slots could be worth it, but just entering a tournament blind I wouldn't run them.

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TL;DR The MH2 elementals are the best ways to remove Rotpriest once its on the field. Preventive measures work best though. Chalice, Leyline, Discard etc.

mrweaselman on Nahiri Jeskai control

1 year ago

The deck overall looks pretty solid, biggest thing IMO would just be cleaning up the list a little for consistency.

You have some good draw options already with 4 Expressive Iteration, I don't think you need the Narset, Parter of Veils. I would go one more Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, and one less Nahiri, the Harbinger.

Haven't been following the meta too closely since Lurrus ban, but pre-ban, Prismatic Ending was generally played over Path to Exile. The deck feels a bit light on counters, but one more Counterspell would fix that. Personally, I like Fire / Ice more than Lightning Bolt, but that may be preference. Detention Sphere feels out of place in the main as a one of, another Supreme Verdict would improve consistency.

For the sideboard, I'm not entirely sure what Counterflux is doing. Flusterstorm is better against Storm and Dovin's Veto is better against a control mirror or tempo. You already have enough exile effects that Anger of the Gods feels unnecessary, same with the other Path to Exile. Another Rest in Peace and tron hate like Alpine Moon would work better.

heckproof on Draw-Go No

1 year ago

@Ragescoop Gosh, man, don't remind me Think Twice exists or I'll have to play it, even if it's bad XD

I'd probably consider Fire / Ice before Think Twice in the 2-drop cantrip slot though

Grubbernaut on UW Control to stomp the …

1 year ago

Between the budget and insistence on playing pet cards, you're probably not going to be crushing meta decks, my man.

Fateful Absence is pretty bad in a world of 1cmc threats; you could consider Portable Hole. Doomskar isn't very good, but Terminus could be "okay" if you definitely want maindeck sweepers. 6 walkers is also a lot, you might cut that some.

Some general cards to consider: manabase, Fire / Ice splashing red, Shark Typhoon, Castle Vantress

Overall, control feels like it's in a fairly rough spot in the current meta.

zapyourtumor on Unprecedented Domination

1 year ago

Some other pretty notable cards in WUBR I think you should slot in:

Teferi, Time Raveler: No explanation needed

Lightning Bolt: Same as above

Mana Leak: Decent counterspell thats not too hard on the mana

Prismatic Ending: Same as above

Kaya's Guile: Really strong removal spell, should be maindeck imo (not just for grave hate)

Expressive Iteration: Busted card

Fire / Ice: Solid removal with all the x/1, can also cantrip and tap down a land or creature

The deck also seems kind of light on threats. I'm really not sure about this reanimation plan with only one archon, one persist, one unmarked grave. I think you also need Unburial Rites to make the gifts ungiven plan work, else they just put persist in the yard.

You could probably cut down on lands to 24 max. 27 is a lot. Baral and Ethersworn are pretty weird picks, the former not actually generating card advantage while the latter seems like a sideboard card. Crucible is also kind of weird. I like some of the spice like Ojutai's, but the land package just seems cuttable.

For more threats, I think you can add some walkers that generate CA: Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Teferi, Hero of Dominaria. Maybe Murktide Regent as another delve threat.

Here's my own lutri deck that I've played a bit with moderate success, maybe you'll find some of the card choices helpful.

Evanbob007 on Monkey Sees the Glittering Light

1 year ago

How is it illegal? Where's the repeated mana symbol? See rule 709.4b, this is also how Fire / Ice can be picked up by Niv-Mizzet Reborn.

Divinity_infinitum on Monkey Sees the Glittering Light

1 year ago

Fire / Ice isn't modern legal btw