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Creature — Dryad
Ascend (If you control ten or more permanents, you get the city's blessing for the rest of the game.)
At the beginning of each upkeep, create a 1/1 green Saproling creature token.
Saprolings you control have +2/+2 as long as you have the city's blessing.
2 months ago
If you want to be able to cast an 8 drop, you probably want over 30 lands iirc? 16 lands is actually less than people run in Burn decks, and Burn decks in Legacy are built around casting Lightning Bolt variants over and over (most of the time), your deck has lots of 4 and 5 drops, (which would require a land count of ~24-26), and it has those 2 8 drops. For example, at 16 lands you can 'expect' to see ~4 lands after drawing 15 cards (which is when you'd generally cast an 8 drop), if you have 32 lands in 60 cards you'll see ~8. You can also run some ramp, but I wouldn't run less than 22 lands with that many 4 and 5 drops.
An alternative to just running lands is ramp, and ramp can also serve as mana fixing (Green ramp sources can often produce other colours of mana as desired), your deck uses 3 colours of mana technically, you probably want something like Undercellar Myconid and Utopia Mycon.
Not sure it's better than Fungal Plots, but Night Soil can remove creatures from your opponent's graveyard or yours, but both have to come from the same one.
If you have some extra budget space there are options like Tendershoot Dryad or Blossoming Bogbeast, Bogbeast is a much better buff while Tendershoot offers tokens and a worse buff, not sure which is really better here. Bogbeast will synergize with any additional life gain, so you could throw a Primal Command to play before your Bogbeast swings/tutor for a creature/remove a permanent/deal with a graveyard, it's a really, really versatile card.
It looks like you're at 62 cards, most Legacy decks are pretty strict about 60 cards, it's a pretty cutthroat format (some people categorize decks that use Legacy cards as Casual, more decks can 'compete' at a Casual table) and you need to draw key cards.
Final point, you probably want more 1 drops, if it's not too much of a hassle you run 1 mana dorks like Llanowar Elves, Elvish Mystic or Fyndhorn Elves, any of these can speed your deck up a bit while offering you a card to play turn 1. Legacy isn't really the best place to have unspent mana!
4 months ago
- Fae Offering
++ Introduces a fun little minigame. ++ Exciting with Academy Manufactor
-- Unable to trigger on opponents' turns without flash creatures, but that's minor
++ Pet reanimation spell, fantastic with with tokens
- Invasion of Ikoria
Flip (+ maybe Vampire Hexmage)
-- Can't fetch amazing humans (Yawgmoth, Thran Physician, Species Specialist, Eternal Witness, Pitiless Plunderer, Jaheira, Friend of the Forest)
++ Less salt-inducing wincon than Natural Order->Craterhoof Behemoth or a giant Finale of Devastation
++ Battles are a fun minigame when not fetching Hexmage
-- Hexmage is lackluster on its own
-- Not as guaranteed of a win condition as a big Finale
-- The Invasion being a permanent opens it up to removal before it flips
- Llanowar Elves et al
++ Get Chatterfang out on turn 2 to start going ham sooner
- Nested Shambler back in
++ BB to double your squirrel count still seems good
- Force of Vigor
++ Creature spot removal is shored up by Chatterfang and all other removal spells hit creatures, so might be reasonable to have this not
++ Probably better in-slot than Binding the Old Gods
- Craterhoof Behemoth
== If Invasion of Ikoria Flip goes in
++ Cutting makes Natural Order worse, but also no longer as groan-inducing
- Finale of Devastation
== If Invasion of Ikoria Flip goes in
- Witch's Oven
++ Cheap sac outlet that works with Academy Manufactor and Gilded Goose -- Slow and food otherwise sucks.
-- The bonus only really happens if Chitterspitter has gone up several times
++ Is fetchable with Urza's Saga, but it's the worst option of the current three. Always fetch Skullclamp over this.
- Tireless Tracker
-- Second-worst token maker behind Witch's Oven
-- Only eight fetchlands + Binding the Old Gods and Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip to double-trigger
++ Does qualify as a (slow) draw engine
++ Works with Academy Manufactor
- Binding the Old Gods
-- Worst ramp and worst removal
++ Removal count is still moderately low, though. Can't rely on Chatterfang's ability for everything.
-- Probably worse in slot than Force of Vigor
- Saw in Half
++ Does function as bad protection against spot removal -- Not a lot of nonlegendary creatures worth copying that don't already win the game, so often dead
Deep Forest Hermit
-- Even when there is a target, often win-more
5 months ago
thefiresoflurve Thanks for the suggestions!
7 months ago
Pinkfluffyant - I apologize about the white removal spells. For some reason I thought you were running ! Might be better to run some spells to pump your tokens as instant speed to surprise an opponent with a defensive stand or offensive swing than run the "fight target creature" removal spells...Green specializes in those types of effects.
Glad you like the idea of running Fungal Plots. Tendershoot Dryad would have some synergy with your dryad tribe and create/pump your saps...a little expensive in terms of mana for Modern but as this is a casual deck, you could likely justify it. other that maybe would have potential would be Mycoloth or Old-Growth Dryads.
Cool concept! Good luck with the brewing!
1 year ago
I'm unsure what direction you are planning as you seem to spread out a bit. Here is my suggestion though.
Focus on aristocrats and tokens(preferably saprolings))
Saprolings synergies if you want Psychotrope Thallid
Toski, Bearer of Secrets maybe for additional card draw
Wincon ideas Aristocrats like Blood Artist Overwhelming Stampede Pathbreaker Ibex Yedora, Grave Gardener combo. I don't remember what the other pieces are atm. Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth + Life and Limb + way to profit off of every land dying or at least get ahead.
1 year ago
Since you're in casual, there's a lot of heavy hitting cards you could add (budget permitting). Doubling Season improves the turnaround rate of spore counters and gets you more tokens, although it is itself expensive. Something cheaper with proliferate like Evolution Sage could accomplish a similar goal. Aura Shards is a potent alternative to single-use Naturalizes for Selesnya, with Nullmage Shepherd being a more budget pick. Skullclamp is an insane draw engine if you keep your tokens at 1 toughness. Or if you don't want to, Intangible Virtue can stack with Sporecrown Thallids to get out of hand quickly. As far as creating tokens, there's Aura Mutation, Dreampod Druid, Fungal Sprouting, Korozda Guildmage, Saproling Migration, Thelonite Hermit, and the powerful lord Tendershoot Dryad. If you want generically good Golgari removal, cards like Assassin's Trophy and Fatal Push tend to see a lot of play. Personally, I like Crippling Fear for tribal decks and Tragic Slip for decks with sacrifice synergy. Speaking of sacrifices, I know from experience in commander that both Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest and Ghave, Guru of Spores make for nasty combos with Mycoloth. Such a strategy would also make creatures like Tukatongue Thallid more valuable than spell counterparts like Sprout or Fungal Infection.
1 year ago
Luminarch Ascension is just slow. I used to run it in my Sythis, Harvest's Hand enchantress prison deck as a backup method to get beaters out, and most of the time I'd play it and it'd just sit there as I'd use my mana for other things. It's not worth it most of the time.
I do not know why you aren't already running Esper Sentinel. In your deck you're running a bunch of anthems, and Esper Sentinel can easily draw you a ridiculous amount of cards rather quickly if his tax gets up to 4~5 mana. He's easily one of the best white cards in Magic, and your deck seems likely to support him. Plus he's only one mana, and you have an absolutely ridiculous CMC of 3.87 with only seven mana rocks - two of which are 4+ CMC.
My advice? Fuck Smothering Tithe. I personally think the card is overrated and is one of the most "kill on sight" cards in Magic. A quarter of the time you play it and it's countered. Another quarter of the time you play it and it gets blown up immediately. Another quarter of the time you play it and it does nothing. The last quarter of the time it does something. If you wanted to play some cheaper "kill on sight" cards to bait out counter magic and kill spells, Food Chain, Survival of the Fittest, and even something like Grafdigger's Cage against certain decks. But, take what I say here with a grain of salt - I just don't like Smothering Tithe, and I think the CMC of it won't help you that much since you don't run a lot of ramp. I'd honestly rather run Yasharn, Implacable Earth over Smothering Tithe in your deck right now.
Now, you asked for feedback and suggestions, so here are my main suggestions. I'm not sure your budget, but considering you're asking us to decide between two $20~$30 cards, I'll assume it's higher than the average Magic player's. Here is a basic list of things you can do to improve your deck:
- Go through your deck and individually look at every card in it. Think to yourself "How often do I play this card? Does this card make an impact whenever I play it? Is it just immediately answered? How does this fit into my game plan?" etc. Cut cards that you think aren't up to par or properly fit into your deck.
- Your deck seems to lack a proper direction. You say you want to pillowfort and focus on building up an army. Cards like Windborn Muse and Ghostly Prison can help you prevent people from swinging at you. If you wanted to prevent people from swinging at all, Crawlspace and Dueling Grounds can work, and you can just pop them with a Nature's Claim or something before you want to start attacking. If you wanted to focus more on the army aspect, you could go with stuff like Avenger of Zendikar, Rhys the Redeemed, or Tendershoot Dryad.
- Lower your Converted Mana Cost. You currently have a CMC of 3.87, which is rather high. In addition, you are only running seven pieces of ramp - all mana rocks - and two of them are four or more CMC, which does not help you much. Cut cards that don't do much and replace them with either cheaper mana rocks or mana dorks. A few that I immediately see that I would cut are cards like Treva, the Renewer, Skyward Eye Prophets, Empyrial Archangel, and Archon of the Triumvirate. Cards you should add are like Avacyn's Pilgrim, Birds of Paradise, Sylvan Caryatid, and Noble Hierarch. This will lower your CMC and provide additional mana ramp.
- Lands. You are currently running 38 lands, which is definitely on the high end. However, I think this is a product of having a CMC of 3.87. I think should you end up reducing your CMC to around 2.75 to 3.00 while adding in at least ~7 sources of mana acceleration you can go down to 32~33 lands, which is much more reasonable. However, I also want to talk about your land choices. You aren't running any fetches and many of your lands have a chance to enter tapped. I would look at adding in more fetches such as Prismatic Vista, Windswept Heath, Misty Rainforest, and Flooded Strand at least. In addition, I'd also look at lands such as City of Brass, Mystic Confluence, and the Battlebond lands such as Bountiful Promenade, Rejuvenating Springs, and Sea of Clouds should you reliably play with 3+ people pods. Cut cards like Seaside Citadel and the check lands, as they're kind of feelsbad turn one plays.
- Removal. You aren't running much removal to deal with threats. Cheap removal such as Nature's Claim, Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Return to Nature, and On Thin Ice are all super good in EDH. I would definitely look at improving your removal suite outside of 3+ mana counterspells. Also, look at cheaper counterspells. Cards like Mana Drain would be super good here as it provides you mana acceleration while stopping your opponents.
There is more I would like to add, such as talking more about card advantage, but I've spent damn near close to an hour typing this so I'm gonna call it here. Now, take what I've said with a grain of salt. I'm a high-powered player; I like to optimize my decks, and with optimization comes homogenization. I.e; your decks become less unique. You've got a pretty unique deck here, and if you like it then you like it. Ultimately it's up to you on making that call of whether or not you want to optimize and change everything. If you need more help, feel free to ask. Good luck, and sorry for the wall of text.
1 year ago
Oh man, I played Fun with Fungus back during Timespiral and I loved that deck so much. It requires a lot of build-up to really get rolling so it's not very competitive and no fun against control decks, but then again what is? When it works right and you are putting tokens down everywhere though? Hooooo boy that's fun. Here are some of the things I ran back in the day:
- Sporoloth Ancient when combined with Sporesower Thallid makes each other Fungus pop off a Saproling each turn.
- If you're looking for a cheeky removal combo Vhati il-Dal + Deathspore Thallid is fun.
- Tragic Slip is a fun alternative to Bone Shards that can deal with indestructible creatures up to 13/13. But Eaten Alive is just better.
- Life and Limb and Psychotrope Thallid are great late game cards if you want insane mana and card draw.
- Verdant Embrace is also worth considering.
I have some specific thoughts on your build too:
- Consider what you want this deck to do really well. Are you trying to generate as many saprolings as possible to overwhelm your opponent? Or to sacrifice them to the Priest/Zulaport/Slimefoot? You could even make the fungi the real beaters themselves. It seems like your deck is doing a little bit of everything right now when it could benefit from focusing on one or two.
- If you want to focus on making many saprolings, Mycoloth is extremely powerful in this deck. Just because he's a big target for removal doesn't mean you shouldn't play him at all. He costs the same as your Tendershoot Dryad and generates twice the number of Saprolings per turn for only sacrificing one when he enters the battlefield. Sacrifice two and he's giving you back four every turn. And with Heroic Intervention to protect him you should be good to go. Definitely a mainboard card. I lost my mind when this card released.
- If you're looking to pump up your saprolings more Sporecrown Thallid is a great pick and may I also suggest Thelonite Hermit.
- If you want your fungi to be real threats then Thelon of Havenwood is your guy. Get some Sporesowers out and then watch the Spore counters pile up, making your guys absolutely massive.
- Consider switching out some of your cheap-cmc cards for things with more meat on their bones. This deck could stand to be a lot more top-heavy. A couple shell-dwellers can get you to the late-game but they are terrible late-game cards. I personally ran a set of Deathspore Thallids because I like their removal effect but none of these other fungi with 1 or 2 mana cost.
- Consider some traditional mana ramp like Rampant Growth instead of Utopia Mycon if you want to get your Sporesowers out earlier. It's less vulnerable to removal and you don't have to wait to generate your first saproling to get an extra mana.
- I love Priest of the forgotten gods and Winding Constrictor in here. I think they are both super effective for this deck.
- And lastly it should be spelled "galore" ;p
Best of luck and have fun with your fungus!