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Life from the Loam
Return up to three target land cards from your graveyard to your hand.
Dredge 3 (If you would draw a card, instead you may put exactly three cards from the top of your library into your graveyard. If you do, return this card from your graveyard to your hand. Otherwise, draw a card.)
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Life from the Loam Discussion
2 days ago
Villainous Wealth is a great mana sink payoff card, Eternal Witness because no brainer, Sakura-Tribe Elder same deal, Chemister's Insight and Deep Analysis are nice draw spells that don't care about getting milled, Life from the Loam is in a similar vein or just run Crucible of Worlds to play cards you self mill.
AKBZ on New to cEDH
4 days ago
Starting with mana base, I would cut any land entering tapped as the only way it enters. You are giving your opponent a Time Walk every time they come into play because it puts you a turn behind. They either should just be basic lands or upgrades, the big ones being City of Brass , Mana Confluence , and Forbidden Orchard . These lands far outweigh things like Bojuka Bog or Murmuring Bosk or Temple of Plenty . Also would cut Razorverge Thicket , Canopy Vista , Fortified Village and High Market . The first three are too conditional and High Market is colorless with no immediate benefit. I would play the pain lands before these lands as they don’t enter tapped and still give you your colors and I would play the fetchlands before the painlands. Keep in mind you can play up too nine fetchlands because they don’t have any color symbols on them. Second, upgrade the tutor package. Vampiric Tutor and Demonic Tutor are the best black tutors in the format, and the reason to be in black. I would consider them higher priority than fast mana rocks. The cuts I would make are Apprentice Necromancer Damnation Day of Judgment Bloodthrone Vampire Qasali Pridemage Altar of Dementia Ashnod's Altar Lotleth Troll Life from the Loam Greater Good and Farseek The sac outlets only come out when you combo, so having excess is deadweight. The board wipes aren’t doing anything to stop fast combo, so they can be cut. The necromancer and pridemage are value, but not enough. I would rather play Assassin's Trophy and Abrupt Decay over those two. Card suggestions Stony Silence Null Rod Abrupt Decay Assassin's Trophy Birthing Pod Nature's Claim Nature's Lore Survival of the Fittest Demonic Tutor Vampiric Tutor Aura Shards Leyline of the Void , Containment Priest and Grafdigger's Cage . If you can’t play fast mana, neither should your opponents. The first two are MUST INCLUDES and the tutors are HIGH PRIORITY. Nature's Lore is a strict upgrade over Farseek . The last three are graveyard hate that hates out the two decks mentioned. I know that you are thinking “but those last two hate out my deck as well”. That is the wrong way to look at them. The first question you should ask is “are the two decks I’m losing too faster than me?” The answer is yes, they are. After that, the next question should be “can I be faster than them?” The answer is no, you can’t be faster than them. Without cards like Gaea's Cradle and Mana Crypt and Mox Diamond and Survival of the Fittest and Demonic Tutor you will never be faster. Even with these cards, this strategy is considered to be slower than the two decks mentioned. Therefore, you have to slow them down at all costs, even if it means you won’t be winning anytime soon. I would say that the hate pieces are MUST INCLUDES. I would cut Hushwing Gryff and Gaddock Teeg as these cards are not helping you fight your meta. The last bit of advice is that you are playing Stax pieces and are playing a Stax deck. The deck needs to fight what you are playing against. Anything that does not do that is unhelpful at best and a game loss at most. Sure, you are playing to a combo finish, but there are multiple turns before that game winning combo, and every card in your opening hand has to slow down your opponent or speed you up. If they are not doing that, they should be cut. Anyhow, this is just my opinion. Hope this helps. Good luck.
5 days ago
Hey Joe it's Owen! I helped my buddy Ryan build a Windgrace deck a few weeks ago and it reminded me to take a look at your list and throw some suggestions your way (up to you if you want to heed them, of course).
So one of the first things I see when I look at your list is that you're missing one of the key things to Windgrace's land recursion ability: utility lands. Strip Mine and Glacial Chasm are huge stars in the deck since you're able to bring them back to field with either Life from the Loam or Windgrace's -3 ability. Paired with Wayward Swordtooth and other effects ( Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Oracle of Mul Daya , Exploration ), you can use strip mine to blow up 7 or more opponent's lands per turn. This puts you at a tremendous mana advantage and lets you eliminate pesky things like Tyler's Maze of Ith (a card you could run in here as well to prevent Windgrace from dying) or Lotus Vale (another card you could run since you'll just get the sacrificed lands back).
I would like to point out that Glacial Chasm is even better. This land prevents you from taking any damage. You have to pay (cumulatively) 2 life in your upkeep but instead you could sacrifice it in upkeep and then bring it back to field with Windgrace or Ramunap Excavator or Crucible of Worlds . By the way, Crucible of Worlds would be very good to run here.
It's great that you have The Gitrog Monster in here, because this is basically the Lieutenant of any Windgrace deck. You should run Dakmor Salvage here, as well, since you can dredge that land when it's in your graveyard (dredge meaning instead of drawing you can put that card from your graveyard to your hand and then mill however much). Dakmor Salvage has dredge 2, so lets say that in upkeep you have to sacrifice a land to the Gitrog Monster. You choose to sacrifice Dakmor Salvage, which hits the graveyard and thus triggers the Gitrog Monster to draw you a card. Instead of drawing, you then choose to dredge Dakmor Salvage and return it to your hand to mill 3. If you mill 3 lands off the top of your deck, you get 3 more Gitrog triggers to draw cards. This is incredibly useful for drawing through your deck and getting to your win conditions. Paired with a discard outlet such as Borborygmos Enraged or Noose Constrictor you can actually draw your entire deck (or in the case of Borborygmos, draw your entire deck and then kill everyone with it). Either way, Dakmor Salvage is an incredible piece that you should run in here and is only like $2.
Also, have you ever noticed how you create giant creatures like Multani and Zendikar Incarnate in here but someone always has ways to block them or Maze of Ith to prevent combat damage? Say goodbye to those days if you pick up Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord . Instead of being forced to swing out one at a time with your big creatures, you can activate Jarad and sacrifice Multani to him, causing each opponent to lose life equal to Multani's power (which tends to be big). The great thing here is that you can just replay Multani from the graveyard! And if you mill Jarad, he has an ability that lets you play him from the graveyard, as well! So the more you mill with cards like Dakmor Salvage, the closer you could get to assembling this kind of a win condition. Note here that Lord of Extinction is another great card you can use to sacrifice to Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord since its power/toughness will be equal to ALL cards in ALL graveyards. This creature tends to be bigger than 40/40 in a windgrace deck, so count on killing every opponent at once with one Jarad activation with this creature. Speaking of big creatures and dredge, Golgari Grave-Troll is another great card to run in here.
Lastly, you wanna make sure that out of your 99 cards you get exactly what you want in your graveyard. There's some cards that can do that for you. Entomb and Buried Alive allow you to fetch Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord , Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar , Dakmor Salvage , Life from the Loam , etc. and put that into the graveyard. Expedition Map and Scapeshift allow you to get the exact lands that you want (scapeshift gives hella landfall triggers for your creatures), and Animate Dead and Necromancy can allow you to pull your creatures back out of the graveyard when you need them.
Again, these cards are just some suggestions. But you've been playing Windgrace for a while now and I thought I'd toss this info your way! Love the look of the new Orzhov deck and how interactive it is. See ya thursday!
5 days ago
In this style of deck I like playing Life from the Loam as it synergies really well with what the deck wants to do. Also, fetchlands work really well with Crucible of Worlds but if you do not have the budget for them, Rocky Tar Pit and Mountain Valley are good budget alternatives. Additionally, with you running Scapeshift you could run Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle as a combo finish with enough mountains. Also, if you find yourself low on cards, I really like the card Painful Truths as a solid draw engine in the early game outside of Lord Windgrace. I also like additional ramp that can be provided in cards like Farseek and Sakura-Tribe Elder . Hope this helps!
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
Take out all your filler. It's just gonna get lost and harder to find as we fill in the actual list. Keep Borborygmos Enraged
3 weeks ago
Looks great! Cards like Aura Shards and Return to Dust are edh allstars (I'm guessing one of the cards you skipped was Vampiric Tutor ? That one's pretty good too), and there's a bunch of gameplan-specific cards like Buried Alive and Dread Return that will work perfectly with Karador, Ghost Chieftain . Some other staples you might want to add are Eternal Witness and Sol Ring .
First thing you should probably change is playing 2x Makeshift Mannequin ... I know you're into playing banned cards and everything, but this format has RULES!
I'd also look for is more ways to get things into the graveyard. Right now, I see you've got:
The consistent options are great, since they allow you flexibility to find any answer, support synergies, and aren't going to whiff. The inconsistent options don't have the same upsides. The main reason you'd want to play them is to grind out value, so I think Perpetual Timepiece and Nyx Weaver could work (although I've been looking for an excuse to try Grindclock because I'd imagine it can take over a game if let's unintended for a few turns). Corpse Connoisseur is only useful if it's already in the graveyard, and Entomb might be a better option. Extractor Demon has the same issue where it's overcosted for a Thought Scour effect. Overall, since you only have three or so creatures that benefit from being cheated out from the graveyard, cards like Satyr Wayfinder might end up hitting things like Harrow , Buried Alive , etc. too often. This means you're probably going to have to play more self-mill type cards to justify cards like Ramunap Excavator .
Some options to get stuff into the yard: Grim Flayer Underrealm Lich Life from the Loam Golgari Grave-Troll (not my favorite since you don't draw a card, but if you have enough graveyard effects, it could work)
Sylvan Ranger seems strictly worse than both Sakura-Tribe Elder (puts the land into play and puts himself in the graveyard to reduce Karador cost) and Rampant Growth . There seem to be a couple cards like this that are meant to provide some enter-the-battlefield trigger and then get sacrificed for value, but I only see Viscera Seer , Cartel Aristocrat , and Bloodthrone Vampire . That means most of the time you play cards like Elvish Visionary , it'll just be a 1/1 on the battlefield. Viscera Seer is fantastic, but the other two outlets don't get you much value anyway, which makes cards like Yavimaya Elder more valuable. Looking into effects like Qasali Pridemage , Selfless Spirit , and maybe even Spore Frog is probably where you want to go, since they are situationally fantastic, can put themselves in the graveyard to cast karador, and are much stronger options to cast with Karador later in the game. They can subtly win you games sometimes. Maybe looking into things like Skullclamp could help if you want extra sac outlets, but you'd probably want ~10-15 cards that make 1/1's to justify it (not entirely sure though). It's wildly powerful though, especially if you can recur 1/1's with Karador.
Recursion: Unburial Rites Living Death Journey to Eternity Flip (imagine how fun turn two Sakura-Tribe Elder into card could be? Also can be used to protect Sheoldred, Whispering One or Karador later in the game)
Finally, figuring out how you want to use your toolbox cards ahead of time help. Right now, there are a couple good lines for Buried Alive , such as Dread Return + Sheoldred, Whispering One , but what happens if you don't have three creatures available? Then you want Unburial Rites in your deck so you can pay 3W next turn.
Some final things to hammer out: 1. What's the plan for early game? Is it playing sac outlets then creatures with ETB triggers for extra value? It is playing utility creatures like Qasali Pridemage to develop a relevant board and solid recur value later in the game? Is it to ramp as quickly as possible into huge threats? Is it getting creatures into the graveyard ASAP with Grim Flayer or Entomb so you can Reanimate something huge on turn three? It's not bad to dip into each method, but you can have the best synergies if you heavily commit to one strategy, otherwise you might end up with great curve like Reanimate , Bloodthrone Vampire , and Ramunap Excavator , but no real value. 2. What's the win condition? I'd expect reanimating huge things out providing too much value with Karador, but even the best reanimation target Sheoldred, Whispering One isn't going to close out a game. The other targets like Soul of the Harvest and Harvester of Souls are great value, but bashing with a 6/6 can only go so far. If you're going more the reanimation route, perhaps dreaming bigger like It That Betrays could help. If you play these big boys, playing Ashnod's Altar could be fun, plus I think it's got a bunch of infinite combos. Sadly, a lot of the best options like Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite are ~10-20 bucks. 3. My personal strategy would be to play a bunch of cheap value creatures like Selfless Spirit , ramp like Sol Ring and Sakura-Tribe Elder , the best graveyard stashers like Entomb and some self-mill cards (but only ones that can win me the game if left unattended, like Underrealm Lich ), 3-5 board wipes (you can always recur your threats) and the classic interaction package ( Swords to Plowshares , etc.), and probably 7-10 or so curve-topping creatures that can end games for you (from Grave Titan to It That Betrays ).
The deck looks great, it's gonna be scary in no time!
3 weeks ago
I would try to cut down instants and sorceries. This deck really gets much better if you play as few non-permanents as possible. You can’t cast them from your graveyard and if you mill them they’re lost and might even help your opponents if they play stuff like Spelltwine . Instants or sorceries should recur themself like Life from the Loam or should be possible game enders that are worth bringing them back with Eternal Witness , powerful cards like Rise of the Dark Realms or Cyclonic Rift fit here
Life from the Loam occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.37%
All decks: 0.09%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.06%
BUG (Sultai): 1.18%
BRG (Jund): 1.02%