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Split second (As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't play spells or activated abilities that aren't mana abilities.)
Creatures target player controls become 0/2 and lose all abilities until end of turn.
Sudden Spoiling Discussion
3 months ago
In order for any item on the stack to resolve, the players must each pass priority in turn without adding anything to the stack. This applies for every single item in the stack. They don't resolve in one bunch.
So in your scenario, here's what happens, broken down:
You blink Parallax Wave , let's say with something that returns it right away, since you didn't say. Your blink effect is on the stack, and the Parallax is still on the board.
You have priority first (since you're the one who used the blink effect). You pass without adding anything. Your opponent passes without adding anything to the stack either. Parallax Wave leaves the battlefield, triggering its LTB, then returns with 5 fading counters on it.
Triggered abilities go on the stack when a player would next receive priority, and state-based actions are checked first. There are no state-based actions to worry about here, so your Parallax trigger goes on the stack.
In order for the trigger to resolve, everyone must pass priority again without adding things to the stack. We'll say you do so.
Still no state-based actions. Drake trigger goes on the stack, and you target Emissary.
In order for the Drake trigger to resolve, everyone must pass priority without adding things to the stack. However, when your opponent receives priority, they instead choose to activate Emissary of Grudges , targeting the Drake triggered ability and changing its target to another creature you don't control. There are no timing or targeting restrictions, everything is legal. Now Emissary's ability is on the stack on top of the Drake's.
A new round of priority begins with your opponent (since he can hold priority after adding Emissary's ability to the stack). We'll assume that no one else adds anything to the stack as priority passes around the table once.
Emissary's ability resolves, switching Drake's target.
Another round of priority happens, starting with you (active player) since no one directly added a spell/ability and held priority. We'll again assume no one adds anything to the stack.
Drake ability resolves, switching control with the new target, not the Emissary. The stack is now empty.
Your comment about "no priority for him between resolving his own trigger on the stack and mine" doesn't work. First, he has no triggers to worry about. As others have mentioned, choosing an opponent secretly is something that happens as Emissary of Grudges enters the battlefield. It's not a triggered ability (which begin with "when, whenever, or at"). It can't be responded to. It's timing is simultaneous with it entering the battlefield. Your Gilded Drake , on the other hand, has a triggered ability that must go on the stack when a player would receive priority, and then resolve to happen.
Second, currently the only thing that can prevent people from responding to a spell or ability on the stack is the Split Second mechanic, as seen on cards like Sudden Spoiling , which explicitly prevent players from casting spells or activating abilities that aren't mana abilities while it's on the stack (special actions and mana abilities are still allowed). Gilded Drake 's ability doesn't have any effect that would prevent your opponent from activating an ability in response to it.
Third, each item on the stack must resolve individually, and players each receive priority between every item on the stack. You can have a stack four items tall, resolve two of them, add three more, resolve four of them, add another, and so on, as long as players have the means to do so. The stack is not resolved in one large chunk.
Long-winded, but hopefully clears it up for you.
4 months ago
4 months ago
Patolea thanks for the response. I think you are right. It's exactly what happens to me as well. I now decided to rotate some of the cards constantly, not necessarily lowering the powerlevel, but at least be unpredictable. I took away now some of my bigger flashier plays, like Wound Reflection and replaced them with cards like Sudden Spoiling .
Maybe a way of gaining life back might be interesting, although I don't think a 6/6 flying lifelink is really staying below radar as well. I played it in my karlov deck and it rarely survived a turn... I think things like Contemplation , Umezawa's Jitte or Sun Droplet might be more interesting to play if we need some survivability.
4 months ago
Pretty solid list, I'm always a fan of Curiosity combos too (as I'm sure you know). I'd probably play like Sudden Spoiling over Polymorphist's Jest and like Mystic Retrieval over Bond of Insight though.
4 months ago
Stretch goals (budget breakers) Overwhelming Stampede - Skullclamp - Ashnod's Altar - Bow of Nylea - Obelisk of Urd - Door of Destinies - Cryptolith Rite - Beastmaster Ascension - Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip-
5 months ago
Suppression Field taxes the activated abilities, making them harder to use.
Trickbind is another counter that has the added benefit of Split Second, and could be worth including.
Sudden Spoiling neuters Mairsil for the turn.
6 months ago
This deck looks very solid; +1 from us! We are using something similar (still needs to be posted on tappedout). Some of our favourite and least expected cards we use are very much like Deflecting Palm and Comeuppance . We use some of the older cards that have a similar effect like Reverse Damage and Eye for an Eye .
Other control cards we love to use include Sudden Spoiling (this is one of the most underrated cards of all time; it can turn any army into helpless babies, whether they have hexproof/shroud or not), Karmic Justice and Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker (makes people think twice about blowing up our stuff).
Have fun playing and refining this.
Mrs. and Mr. NV_1980
7 months ago
"I pass priority..."
You have correctly noted that you pass priority, thus your opponent now has it. The game only moves to the next step/phase once both players pass without doing a thing. Split second only prevents casting while the SS spell is on the stack. There is no way to end the step/phase without your opponent having priority at some point.
If you want kill Emperor Crocodile , there are two options:
1/ Use your
to kill the other creature, and thus the Croc.
2/ Block with chimney imp, dealing one damage to the Croc. After that, cast Sudden Spoiling . Your opponent will not be able to respond and Croc will die. Sure, it is a 2-for-1, but in this situation it seems like the only option.
Sudden Spoiling occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%