Sudden Spoiling

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Legality

Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Sudden Spoiling

Instant

Split second (As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't cast spells or activated abilities that aren't mana abilities.)

Until end of turn, creatures target player controls lose all abilities and have base power and toughness 0/2.

Neotrup on Animation: Layers and Timestamps

1 month ago

Since both Titania's Song and March of the Machines specify noncreature artifact they are both dependent on eachother, forming a dependency loop that means they must be applied in timestamp order rather than dependency order. This means that whichever entered the battlefield first is the one that applies. In the first example March of the Machines does nothing since Sol Ring is already a 1/1 artifact creature with no abilities, but if it had entered first it would be a 1/1 artifact creature with ": Add ."

Starfield of Nyx does not turn itself into a creature since it says "other nonaura enchantements." However, assuming they control two Starfield of Nyx it would be a 0/2 creature with no abilities. This is because its ability starts to apply in layer 4 when it turns enchantments into creatures and doesn't lose its ability until layer 6 when Sudden Spoiling starts to apply. Once the ability starts in an earlier layer, it will continue to be applied in a higher layer, so in layer 7b Starfield of Nyx will give all enchantment creatures a base power and toughness, then that will be overwritten by Sudden Spoiling also in layer 7b due to having a later timestamp.

TehGrief on Animation: Layers and Timestamps

1 month ago

Player A controls a Sol Ring, player B casts Titania's Song; Player A's Sol Ring becomes a 1/1 artifact creature with no abilities.

If player A then casts a March of the Machines, since Titania's Song specifies non-creature artifact, does March of the Machines change the artifacts into creatures, causing them to retain their abilities?

What would happen if the reverse was true? Player A controls both Sol Ring and March of the Machines, then Player B casts Titania's Song?


Follow-up question.

If Player A controls Starfield of Nyx (meeting its condition, causing their enchantments to become creatures with power and toughness equal to their converted mana cost in addition to their other types), and Player B cast Sudden Spoiling (causing creatures to lose their abilities), what would the result be?

Would all enchantments controlled by Player A lose all abilities and become 0/2 creatures - or, since the Starfield of Nyx would lose its ability, they would remain enchantments with their innate abilities but not be creatures in addition to their other types?

Malsorn on Rakdos Spellslingin'

1 month ago

Fear, Fire, Foes!, Everlasting Torment , Shadowspear, Smite the Deathless, Sudden Spoiling, Leyline of Punishment. Good ways to get around protection, indestructible, and similarly annoying mechanics!

Amyas on Teysa and her Orzhov Syndicate

1 month ago

wideline1414 I typically get Teysa, Orzhov Scion out early for value and creature exile. The only silver bullet I have is Necrotic Sliver. I count Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Grave Pact, and Dictate of Erebos as mass removal.

I have consider running some more in hand instant speed stuff. Sudden Spoiling has put in so much work for me over the years. I know its not removal but I have a Teferi's Protection in a deck that I do not play much.

In my meta this deck has pulled off a lot of come from behind wins.

Icbrgr on MBC: 8-Rack

2 months ago

@capwner I actually just had a FNM tonight and played this deck (but my Shriekmaw/Slaughter Pact/Sudden Spoiling/Grim Discovery are still in the mail... so instead I was running a playset of Bloodghast and some ratio of Liliana's Triumph/Sheoldred's Edict/Augur of Skulls... I will update this deck with the matchup results next week when I get the missing cards in.

Tonight I played against yawg and Rhinos and had a bye.... In the yawgmoth matchup One of the games I just got absolutely blown out by Force of Vigor getting rid of my both The Rack/Shrieking Afflictions and both of us were in topdeck mode but I ended up losing. I went 1-2 for both the games I played tonight; granted I lost but they were close/winnable I swear!

I have been toying with the idea of Cabal Coffers but The real monkey wrench of the deck is Smallpox and Liliana of the Veil... some games I can get 5 lands in play but other times its a struggle to get/keep 3; I think thats why I like Ghost Quarter simply because there isn't any investment to use it.

capwner on MBC: 8-Rack

2 months ago

It's sweet how budget this list is! I have no idea how good 8 rack is in modern right now but I could see it being rough without access to some of the big haymakers that Coffers has, are you finding that you can get under decks like Yawg and Titan? Would love to see some matchup specific info in your description. Sudden Spoiling is a sweet card btw. Have you considered running Field of Ruin, Demolition Field, Sunken Citadel? These cards are affordable and can be pretty effective vs some greedy decks. And of course Urza's Saga tutoring for your rack is pretty banger. Also here's an idea, Aether Vial for Augur of Skulls during upkeep? Probably not the best thing for this deck but in another build maybe!

Arthursb on Devotion to Darkness - Erebos Control

4 months ago

Hello SufferFromEDHD and Profet93, thank you for the comments!

I have tried some of suggested cards, maybe it's worth to share the insights:

Having said all that, in the next update I'll add more creatures and Whip of Erebos in this deck to have more blockers and lifegain. I'm having issues to deal with voltron decks where the commanders reaches high power before I'm able to turn Erebos into a creature.

DreadKhan on Abaddon Let Chaos Reign(old deck)

9 months ago

I have a Chaos deck, maybe a few of the cards would work here too? I'm a huge fan of Exquisite Blood, even if you play it without the combo, the effect has big synergy with your Commander's ability, and it helps keep you alive when you're ahead. Another enchantment that works with Esquisite Blood (and your Commander) is Rite of the Raging Storm, this is often good for damage and it makes everyone else play way more cautiously (because anyone but you can be stuck taking 15 damage in a cycle if they can't handle the tokens). Rite itself likes a number of other cards that might work here too, one really sneaky one is Mask of Griselbrand, Lifelink is useful (and stacks with Blood), Flying is useful, and the card draw can be very powerful, obviously this is hilarious with Rite since you can equip the token with the Mask, at which point it's probably getting in for damage and when it dies inevitably you can draw 5 cards. It seems like a good piece of gear for your Commander especially. Berserkers' Onslaught is a funny card sometimes, you do need some kind of board, but even your Commander is openly terrifying with Double Strike. Another card that Rite and your Commander both would love is Dauthi Embrace, Shadow is really good evasion (you might look into Dauthi Voidwalker as well, very useful dual purpose card). Scavenged Brawler is a creature I'm testing in that deck atm, it seems good, offering a useful body that can be 'scavenged' when a wipe happens. If your deck doesn't run combos and is in Black Protection Racket can be a source of life loss for your Commander, your average MV is probably high enough to matter, it can also give cards. It will never give you any lands or 0 MV cards, so it's not a perfect card. Make an Example is a generically good card in my experience, you always get (at minimum) each opponent's most problematic creature. Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep and Shizo, Death's Storehouse are two cards that might help your Commander out, and they're untapped lands, very few drawbacks to those!

Cultural Exchange is a Blue Chaos feeling card I love, I can't decide if you've got enough tokens/creatures you don't care about to make it work, but if you can trade off some small stuff for the best stuff on board then you're doing good I think. I guess it doesn't say anything about untapping, so you can use it to open someone up to attack by trading away all their blockers for already tapped creatures in a pinch. Mass Diminish seems worse than stuff like Sudden Spoiling and Polymorphist's Jest (both great cards though!), but the ability to cast it twice is big, and the effect weirdly lasts a turn cycle, this can help eliminate 2 players sometimes.

Since you probably want your Commander out most of the time, have you considered Stubborn Denial? It's not Fierce Guardianship, but I find Guardianship to be obnoxious.

My final ideas are War Tax and War Cadence, Cadence can easily make your stuff unblockable if people are tapped out, Tax can make it very hard for people to attack in draw out games, but Cadence is probably the better fit.

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