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At the beginning of your upkeep, populate. (Create a token that's a copy of a creature token you control.)
Growing Ranks Discussion
3 weeks ago
No Bojuka Bog , Exotic Orchard , Commander's Sphere , Field of Ruin , or any of the Talismans. Yet, I see Path to Exile , Strip Mine , Phyrexian Arena , and Rhystic Study . While all of these are commander staples in their respective colors, I'd recommend refining the deck before just making a budget '5 color Good Junk' deck. While card advantage is great, the money would be better spent on something like Smothering Tithe , Revel in Riches , Black Market , Land Tax , Exploration , or Burgeoning . At least those will help cast your commander faster.
Cut out some of the nonbasic lands, starting with guildgates, and put in the Panorama lands, and swap the bounce lands for basic lands (unless you intend to add landfall).
I also see that you're running Thought Vessel and Reliquary Tower , but have you considered Spell Book, Praetor's Counsel , or Library of Leng ? Library of Leng has the added benefit of protecting you from discard effects. If you're going to run cards like Phyrexian Arena and Rhystic Study it pays to protect your hand.
How about protection yourself while you're at it. Crawlspace , Norn's Annex , Sphere of Safety , Propaganda , Ghostly Prison , Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts , Glacial Chasm , Solitary Confinement and other such cards make great protection for decks with few to no other creatures.
Back to the subject of drawing cards. What are you even trying to draw for? You don't seem to have any major combos worth drawing for. At least throw in some cards like Furnace of Rath , Bitter Feud , Curse of Bloodletting , Dictate of the Twin Gods , Inquisitor's Flail , Gisela, Blade of Goldnight , and/or some double strike equipment/enchantments. Or Helm of the Host with a toke copying effect like Parallel Lives , Anointed Procession , Growing Ranks , Second Harvest , Rhys the Redeemed , and Primal Vigor .
Just some things to think about.
1 month ago
I like the draw that Vanquisher's Banner gives you but for 5 mana, it's a big investment. I used to run Door of Destinies and Coat of Arms but I found that they just didn't help out as well as one would hope. The perks of Radiant Destiny is once you get the city's blessing, it can't be taken from you.
But your passion for the two artifacts makes me reconsider them and I'll have to give them a second look. Especially having any of the doubling enchantments with Tamiyo's Journal can be solid.
My only concern with my deck is running so many enchantments lol
1 month ago
skoobysnackz - Thanks for the upvote, and for getting the reference.
TypicalTimmy, bushido_man96 & Poly_raptor - Thanks for the suggestions, I like them all, my wallet... not so much XD. That being said I'd like to keep it as budget as possible. It took me a long time to come to terms with adding Wurmcoil Engine because of the price tag... So the ones I'd like to see in the deck include: Mirror Entity , Nesting Dragon , Thornbite Staff , Birthing Boughs , Evolutionary Leap , Fanatical Devotion , Growing Ranks , Gruul Ragebeast , & Culling Dais . Ones I'm unsure of are: Second Harvest because I wonder if there'd be enough tokens to matter, Ashnod's Altar because not sure combo is something I want, Song of the Worldsoul because once we get eggs rolling we aren't exactly casting alot, & Helm of the Host for the investment. The others are pretty pricey or just seem off theme.
With all these new additions though comes subtractions... which I can never do easily so if anyone has any ideas in that department its appreciated.
Also... I'll likely be watching a Tremors marathon again now so... thanks for that. :P
1 month ago
This was something I didn't have click the first few times I played with her, but if you run Nesting Dragon remember that your Dragon Eggs will actually get you two creatures when they die;
- 2/2 red Dragon creature token with Flamebreath
- Whatever is pulled off the top
When I was doing playtesting with my Ghired deck who happens to run both ND and Atla, I didn't realize this was a thing until like the second or third time I went to sacrifice one of the Dragon Egg tokens.
The value is insane, lol.
And yes I do agree that all three token doublers is a bit extreme on the wallet. A less expensive route would be auto-Populate methods.
- Growing Ranks
- Song of the Worldsoul
- Helm of the Host technically also works if you want to invest mana into it over one or two turns.
So while it won't be as aggressive as the three token doublers, it will also only cost you about $10. Great budget alternative, in my opinion.
2 months ago
I'm just gonna talk about the cards in the maybe board.
- Growing Ranks is bad. It's a much to slow card with very small rewards.
- Squirrel Nest is also slow and bad, unless you pair it up with Earthcraft .
- Chord of Calling is really good. You can use it in so many ways. Like a toolbox card.
- Heroic Intervention is really good.
- Smothering Tithe also really good.
- Planar Cleansing isn't that good. It's hard to cast and it has 3 white in its casting cost.
- Illusionist's Bracers to slow
- Selfless Spirit is what a token deck needs. It good when paired up with your own board wipe or get it with Chord of Calling in a pinch when getting wiped.
all of the un mentioned cards are just meh in a token deck.
As a deck as a whole. What you got looks good there isn't much I would change. It looks good.
Cards I would maybe change for better ones are
- Mycoloth , if you go to big with this card it's likely to get killed and all you've managed to do was kill all your creatures.
- Emmara Tandris 7 mana is a lot for a card that does not make any tokens and only cares about tokens. Of times you'll play this card it will be the only thing you do that turn leaving you with no responses for removal.
- Wilt-Leaf Liege although it's easy to cast I doesn't ad much to the token deck. This would be better as Triumph of the Hordes .
- Trostani Discordant is only just okay. If creature theft is a thing in your meta then keep it. Otherwise add Homeward Path and if it's for the tokens and the buff there is better stuff for that.
For more token deck tech ideas check out my token deck. I've been working on it for over 5 yrs now.
2 months ago
Hey man, thanks for writing me about the updates.
I like the addition of the "protect your creatures" stuff. I think you nailed it when you said there's no need for that other stuff, when we should be thinking about advancing our boardstate. There's a couple stuff I think we can discuss.
The large number of rocks are so good, but I think we should ramp, too. I think we can include Rampant Growth , Cultivate and Farseek and accommodate the by taking out Mirror March (too Random / high cmc), Domri, Chaos Bringer (Bit of a non-bo with the commander as he creates no tokens) and Moonsilver Spear (costs a lot of man to get going). Ramping a lot means we can get Ghired on the field t3-4 and start attacking to populate the tokens. If you want to run a another ramp spell like Kodama's Reach or Harrow , I think Manalith can be replaced. With running only 33 lands, I think ramping will help
I think at the top of the curve, Sandwurm Convergence and Primeval Bounty offer good, repeated advantage, But I think something like Terastodon would be perfect instead, as you could easily create a token of it (blowing up 3 more things / your own lands for 3/3 elephants) and then POPULATE the token with Ghired, giving you another 9/9 on attack.
How do you feel about Trostani Discordant , Trostani's Summoner , Emmara, Soul of the Accord , Emmara Tandris , Growing Ranks , and Finale of Glory ? I think some of the Eldrazi could tag out for any of them.
How does it go in play-testing?
3 months ago
Looks like a fun deck!
Dawn of Hope could be a good card-draw outlet with your commander. Can also help you generate tokens in the late game.
Martial Coup could be a good board-wipe/token factory.
Hope this helps!
3 months ago
Growing Ranks and Deathreap Ritual are the only two that came to mind, both are really slow going, ranks essentially reads "get a 1/1 on upkeep if you have a 1/1 token already" it's really only cool if you're populating Grove of the Guardian or Desolation Twin tokens (which are both terrible, but could be fun options for the deck.). deathreap is going to be a worse Phyrexian Arena in most cases, if you do have the board to make it better than arena you're probably winning anyway and the potentially 3 more cards wouldn't matter.
So those would be my suggestions for cuts, I'm unsure about where you want the power level of the deck to be so I'm playing it safe on guessing you're aim might be a low 50% level for my suggestions (a cedh level ghave looks vastly different from what one would first see him playing out). I have built Ghave twice, Tokens and Counters Everywhere, when he first came out following the Doubling Season token bonanza strategy, then I revised it with Aghave, tequila token party recently because the first I felt got way to bloated (I'm still making changes here and there for it).
Another random suggestion Spore Frog (reprinted in modern horizons so is cheap) likely would be a just better Kami of False Hope , it fits your mana base better and fit's ghave flavor better. I admit to just clicking the suggestion boxes for the random reference cards, but they are unlikely going to be good to play.
Growing Ranks occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
GW (Selesnya): 0.7%