Great Furnace

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Cartrix on Confusion In The Ranks

1 week ago

Hey, thanks guys! Your comments have brought my attention back to the deck that I haven't looked at in a couple years. I do like the Hammer of Purphoros but it may be a little expensive on mana. Chandra, Acolyte of Flame looks great tho! I've made a few changes. -4 Grinning Ignus +4 Brand -3 Myr Servitor -1 Anger +4 Liquimetal Coating -8 Mountain +4 Great Furnace +4 Darksteel Citadel

CrimsonWings3689 on Every time an Egg Dies, an Angel Gets it's Wings

1 month ago

Avenging Angel < The instances where you would want to "top" lock yourself to know that you'll draw a generic 3/3 flying angel for 5cmc are few and far between.

Dawning Angel < Minimal lifegain doesn't seem worthwhile for the cost.

Feather, the Redeemed < You don't really have anything that targets your own creatures to be able to recur the spells, so it's just an efficient cmc angel, but otherwise irrelevant.

Firemane Angel < Too expensive both on the recursion ability and for it's stats and conditional lifegain.

Ghirapur Orrery < May benefit your opponents too much.

Great Furnace < Reflecting Pool or any other land.

Lotus Petal < One and done effect without a way to copy or recur it seems lackluster.

Pristine Angel < likely to be an untargetable/unblockable body, but no utility.

Rending Volley < Just have this be Path to Exile or Swords to Plowshares .

Segovian Angel < Flavorful, but it's simply bad.

Serra Angel < could be something more impactful like Baneslayer Angel for the cost.

Sigarda, Heron's Grace < This should just be Sigarda, Host of Herons .

Stoneforge Masterwork < Win More card. Better in decks that go wide for a bigger pump. Unlikely to be very relevant when it's a +3/+3 pump. A bigger pump means you're likely already winning.

Sustainer of the Realm < could be Angelic Field Marshal for the cost.

Sword of Body and Mind < Doesn't advance your gameplan in any way, random color protection. A wolf token and milling an opponent doesn't help you much.

LordBlackblade on

1 month ago

Alright, let's get down to it! Anje Falkenrath is relatively new and I'm not yet sold on her validity as a vampire commander. My primary hang up is the overall weakness of madness as a mechanic. It is still critically underrepresented on cards, and of those that do exist only a handful are actually any good. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that I am skeptical that it can compete with existing vampire archetypes.

Mana Base Show

I like to start with the mana base in any deck I look at as it is (in my opinion) most crucial in the smooth operation of a deck. To start, your land count looks good, right about the sweet spot for a deck of this type. That said, there are a few sub-optimal choices in lands I would like to point out.

Cut

• Bloodfell Caves
• Cinder Barrens
• Great Furnace
• Vault of Whispers

I try and avoid tap lands at all costs if possible. When running a low-to-the-ground deck like this, the loss of tempo from a tap land can be more damaging than the loss of color availability. In addition, I would discourage the use of artifact lands unless you are going for a specific artifact theme. This is simply because artifact lands are easier to destroy than regular lands and aren't worth the risk with literally no benefit in this particular list.

Add

• Ancient Ziggurat
• Blood Crypt
• Bloodstained Mire
• Graven Cairns
• Luxury Suite
• Path of Ancestry
• Unclaimed Territory
• Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

I feel that any of these lands would be strong adds to your list. While some of the cards are a bit on the pricey side, I do feel they would improve the flow and power level of the deck.

Creatures Show

Vampires are usually pretty aggressively costed and there are a literal bevy of them to choose from. The key is choosing the cream of the crop to run in a singleton format.

Cut

• Bloodcrazed Neonate
• Bloodhall Priest
• Bloodsworn Steward
• Erdwal Ripper
• Falkenrath Reaver
• Heir of Falkenrath  ^Flip
• Incorrigible Youths
• Markov Crusader
• Stromkirk Mentor

Many of these creatures are either too costly or too under-powered for this format. It is important to remember that in EDH, efficiency is key. I would discourage playing any creature that falls short of the formula (Power+Toughness)/2=Converted Mana Cost (e.g. A 2/2 for two mana or better) unless it is especially crucial for your deck to function.

In addition impact is crucial. Bloodhall Priest for example is fairly costed, but doesn't do enough to advance your board state for the cost.

In

• Champion of Dusk
• Cordial Vampire
• Dusk Legion Zealot
• Malakir Bloodwitch
• Stromkirk Occultist
• Twilight Prophet
• Vicious Conquistador

These creatures are all what I would describe as impactful or highly efficient. When I mean impactful, cards like Malakir Bloodwitch make a big splash when they hit and are still relevant after the fact due to their efficient bodies. In terms of efficiency, Vicious Conquistador can put in a lot of work in the early game as a cheap, go-wide card.

Instants Show

In general 1-1 removal and "small" damage are not that great in EDH. Shoot for cards that are either modal a la Rakdos Charm or hit multiple targets such as Anger of the Gods or any board wipe (obviously most of these effects are sorceries rather than instants). Vampiric Fury seems just okay. Again in EDH these are just okay and are usually superseded by repeatable and/or static effects.

Out

• Fatal Push
• Fiery Temper
• Lightning Axe
• Lightning Bolt
• Sorin's Thirst

I don't have any good tips for adds here, but I would encourage you to look for modal or mass effect type cards for this category.

Sorceries Show

Honestly, these seem fine. I would urge you to add some more card draw. Things like Night's Whisper and Read the Bones are pretty solid choices.

In

• Burning Inquiry
• Cathartic Reunion
• Night's Whisper
• Read the Bones
• Tormenting Voice

These all seem like good choices to me and many of them double as potential madness triggers essentially negating their downsides.

Artifacts Show

Most of these are pretty standard; however, there are a couple that don't really fit your plan that I would personally cut.

Out

• Basilisk Collar
• Eldrazi Monument
• Rakdos Cluestone

Basilisk Collar is a solid equipment, but this is neither a voltron nor combo build that can effectively utilize it. I like Eldrazi Monument for its power; however, you lack the ability to produce enough fodder to sustain it long-term. Finally, Rakdos Cluestone is simply outclassed by other mana rocks, most notably my suggestion Talisman of Indulgence .

In

• Herald's Horn
• Talisman of Indulgence

Herald's Horn is just a good card in any tribal deck and I would highly recommend it!

My overall impression is that you've got a decent base here, but have made several choices that I see a lot of new EDH players make in their early decks. In general, you could use more card draw and I would encourage you to take a look at EDHREC or other vampire decks on here for inspiration in terms of what kinds of effects truly shine in EDH versus other formats.

Mj3913 on Gerrard Flicks His Cards

1 month ago

If you add KCI as mentioned above you could also include the artifact lands Ancient Den , Darksteel Citadel , & Great Furnace . Goblin Welder & Goblin Engineer also help to sac artifacts.

ClockworkSwordfish on Krenko Distruption

2 months ago

If you're just running Puppet Strings as a cheap way to untap Krenko, you might prefer Magewright's Stone in its place! Can't argue with saving a mana on both the casting cost and activation. Other than that, you might be artifact-heavy enough to run Inventors' Fair : it's kind of slow and clunky, but any sort of tutoring is welcome in a monored deck. It might make sense to swap a Mountain for a Great Furnace just to help it and Goblin Engineer on their way.

Jack-Frost on The Wheel

2 months ago

My recommendations:

Cut- Lands:
Coral Atoll
Forgotten Cave
Gateway Plaza
Great Furnace
Lonely Sandbar
Seat of the Synod
Skyline Cascade
Temple of the False God

Add- Lands:
4x Island
4x Mountain

Cut- creatures:
Bloodlust Inciter
Cinder Wall
Dragonmaster Outcast
Dwarven Grunt
Monastery Swiftspear
Akki Underling
Akoum Stonewaker
Blood Knight
Electrostatic Field
Stigma Lasher
Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive
Adamaro, First to Desire
Chasm Skulker

Add- Creatures:
Baral, Chief of Compliance
Clever Impersonator
Consecrated Sphinx
Magus of the Jar

Cut- Instant:
Brainstorm
Swan Song
Izzet Charm
Tolarian Winds
Fateful Showdown
Commence the Endgame
Commit / Memory

Add- Instant:
Counterflux
Counterspell
Disallow
Overwhelming Denial
Pact of Negation

Cut- Sorcery:
Bond of Insight
Clear the Mind
Invade the City

Add- Sorcery:
Echo of Eons
Incendiary Command
Khorvath's Fury
Minds Aglow
Mizzix's Mastery
Time Reversal

Cut- Enchantment:
Stranglehold

Add- Enchantment:
Archmage Ascension
Mystic Remora

Cut- Artifact:
Skullclamp

Add- Artifact:
Chromatic Lantern
Crawlspace
Geth's Grimoire
Memory Jar
Mindcrank
Teferi's Puzzle Box
Trepanation Blade

Cut- Planeswalker:
Chandra, Novice Pyromancer

WalbenQuakeblade on Jhoira Vintage Commander

2 months ago

Changes 7/25

Out- Rhystic Study , Semblance Anvil , Hangarback Walker , Myr Retriever , Phyrexian Revoker , Paradise Mantle , Thought Vessel , Great Furnace , Seat of the Synod , Reliquary Tower , 1x Mountain , 5x Island , Paradox Engine , Reality Shift

In- Swan Song , Talisman of Creativity , Manifold Key , Aether Spellbomb , Whir of Invention , Gilded Drake , Cascade Bluffs , Mana Confluence , Command Tower , City of Brass , Misty Rainforest , Polluted Delta , Flooded Strand , Prismatic Vista , Fiery Islet

Reasons for Out:

Lets get the easy ones out of the way first Paradox Engine and Reality Shift . Yes I missed an update where I put Reality Shift into the deck. I added it to give me more options with Isochron Scepter as a way with Engine to exile every other player's libraries. With the banning of Engine though both got cut out from the deck.

Semblance Anvil was cut because I originally ran it as a way to make my artifacts cost 2 less and on rare occasions make my creatures also cost 2 less by exiling an artifact creature under it. The more I played with it though the more times I fizzled on a turn where that 1 more artifact in had would have continued allowing me to combo.

Rhystic Study became a semi mana intensive spell. I constantly found myself with plenty of counters and artifacts in hand but unable to cast rhystic because of the speed of the table. So I cut it for my meta. Will probably go back in for blind tables though.

Hangarback Walker , Myr Retriever , Phyrexian Revoker , Paradise Mantle , Thought Vessel these were the last of the main cuts. They were all cut to make room for more efficient mana rocks and spells.

Lands I cut were to allow for the addition of fetches into the list as well as the lands that tap for any color. Deck thinning is always a good thing and so is having access to all your colors.

Notable mentions for inclusions:

Whir of Invention was originally pushed into this list when Mystic Forge was spoiled but before the Engine banning. I thought with the addition of another 4+ mana artifact win condition that Whir was finally in a good spot to make its way into my list. I still think it should have been there probably all along but I'm glad its made its way finally into the deck.

Future cuts!:

Voltaic Key 's days are numbered in this list. With the spoil of Arcane Signet Key will be cut from the list once again. I say again because I originally cut Voltaic Key when trying to find space for Manifold Key, but with the banning of Engine freeing up 2 slots in my deck Voltaic Key and a much needed additional land made their way back into the list

sonnet666 on Daretti, Scrap Savant minus ability ...

3 months ago

The ability resolves as normal:

1. You don't have an artifact to sac, so you don't.

2. The "if you do" part of the ability checks to see if you sacrificed an artifact.

3. You didn't, so the second part of the ability doesn't happen. You don't return anything.

You could get around this by having an artifact land like Great Furnace in play. Cyclonic Rift on bounces non-land permanents, so you'd be able to sacrifice Great Furnace to satisfy the ability's condition.