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Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever Flamerush Rider attacks, create a token that's tapped and attacking that is a copy of another target attacking creature. Exile the token at end of combat.
Dash (You may cast this spell for its dash cost. If you do, it gains haste, and it's returned from the battlefield to its owner's hand at the beginning of the next end step.)
Flamerush Rider Discussion
1 week ago
In playtesting my Ghired, Conclave Exile deck to fine tune it a bit more, I happened upon a boardstate I wasn't really planning. I literally only had three spells that had been cast thus far:
The number of pre-existing Rhino tokens are not really important; What is important is what I chose to do when I attacked.
I decided I wanted Flamerush Rider to make a copy token of Ghired, Conclave Exile . In doing so, I realized that the token copy of Ghired would fizzle out into the aether due to the Legendary Rule. However, this didn't matter to me because I wanted to get the free additional Rhino token that comes along for the ride (Pun wholly intended). I knew with Parallel Lives , I'd actually get 2x Rhino tokens :D
But... that's when I realized the juxtaposition of problems I created.
- Flamerush Rider copies Ghired, Conclave Exile
- Parallel Lives creates 2x Ghired tokens
- Each Ghired token creates a single 4/4 Rhino token
- Parallel Lives creates 2x Rhino tokens instead for each single one that entered
- 2x Ghired tokens, 4x Rhino tokens
Okay, that's simple enough... until I realized the ORIGINAL Ghired, Conclave Exile was actually declared as an attacker. Okay, so I could copy a Rhino token...
... or could I copy one of the Ghired tokens? Thus making 2x more Ghired tokens, with each making 2x more Rhino tokens?
So here is the issue:
- Flamerush Rider attacks at the same time Ghired is attacking
- Both of these creatures ask me to create a token
- Can Flamerush Rider make a token of Ghired, and before the Legendary Rule fizzles that token out, can the original Ghired populates it?
If I am correct on this, I would have created 4x Ghired tokens with 8x Rhino tokens.
- 1.) FRR copies Ghired
- 2.) PL triggers, making a copy of Ghired
- 3.) Both Ghired tokens have their ETB trigger
- 4.) Both tokens create a single 4/4 Rhino
- 5A.) PL triggers, creating a duplicate Rhino on each
- 5B.) A total of 4x Rhinos now exist
- 6A.) Before Legendary Rule vanishes the Ghired tokens...
- 6B.) Original GCE Populates since he is attacking
- 7.) GCE Populates one of the Ghired tokens
- 8.) PL triggers, creating a second Ghired token
- 9.) Each of these two new Ghired tokens have their ETB trigger happen
- 10.) 2x Rhinos are created; One for each Ghired
- 11) PL triggers, making a copy of each Rhino
- 12.) 4x total Rhinos enter
- 13.) Legendary Rule finally kicks in
- 14.) All Ghired tokens vanish
- 15.) Leaving behind 8x total Rhino tokens
Is this correct? I know the Legendary Rule doesn't "use the stack", but I also know triggers / state based actions are allowed to resolve. I learned this when I asked about a year ago what happens if I make a copy of Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite and the consensus was that for the very brief moment in time when both exist on the board together, all creatures get -4/-4 and +4/+4 depending who controls them. Then the token vanishes and it reverts back to the -2/-2 and +2/+2.
So does the same thing apply to the tokens being generated?
2 months ago
4 months ago
What are your thoughts on Flamerush Rider ? My worry is that you won't often have a target for it, and it doesn't trigger if you cheat it out with your commander.
4 months ago
Needs Paragon of Fierce Defiance . I think you left it out because it gives other creatures haste and you found it redundant, but with him out your warriors are +3/+3. Flamerush Rider . Cyclops Gladiator is more or less a /6 that fights every turn in this deck.
Falkenrath Marauders is a good stand-in for Ruttley and Taunton's hot-guy characters.
10 months ago
Cheers for the recommendations, you hit the nail on the head that I need something with a bit of extra oomph to get the deck to that next level.
Vigor is one of my big go-to cards in aggro decks, usually -- Here I was more worried I wouldn't be able to use my enrage effects, but I have two in the deck, it's not something to worry about really, and I would probably remove the Silverclad Ferocidons to get Vigor in anyway, the Ranging Raptors would be useful in the early game anyways.
With Combat Celebrant, I just had a thought -- Would you be able to copy it's effect with Flamerush Rider? Since the token it makes comes in attacking and you exert CC as it attacks, or would it narrowly miss the timing?
Hellkite Charger is a creature I'd already been thinking about, but you're right about needing that redundancy.
Also wow, last time I looked Dolmen Gate was close to $12, absolutely an option now.
The land destruction spells you mentioned with Vigor are something to think about too -- Especially as you point out that Radha, Ventmaw and DD can get a butt-ton of mana going with extra combat steps.
11 months ago
@seshiro_of_the_orochi Thanks! I did consider Zurgo Bellstriker and I think you're right that I should get them in there so that a turn 2 Mindblade Render could start drawing me cards. I considered Brighthearth Banneret too and originally decided cost reduction wasn't as important in a deck that effectively tops out at 5 CMC, but the cost reduction would help me play multiple small creatures in a turn and use up the extra cards that I'll draw. I think that's a good idea and I'll probably try to get them in there. Flamerush Rider doesn't do much, you're right, it's gone! Ignition Team is in there because Alesha, Who Smiles at Death can bring it back, and it would be quite large in a multiplayer setting (and scary with Double Strike) but I think you're right that it should be cut. Cutting Zurgo Helmsmasher I could see, basically all he does is whack really hard but he'd die to removal real quick; he does hit really hard though. Garna, the Bloodflame is the one I'm most reluctant to cut, she can save all my dudes when someone board wipes, and she's great as a follow up to Last One Standing. Thanks again for your suggestions, I think they'll make the deck quicker and better!
11 months ago
Looks fun. One thing you should change is to add more one-drops. I'd suggest dropping Zurgo Helmsmasher, Ignition Team, Garna, the Bloodflame and Flamerush Rider and replace them with four Zurgo Bellstriker. Another great red two-drop warrior is Brighthearth Banneret. Also, adding some Obsidian Battle-Axe seems a great plan.
1 year ago
Flamerush Rider occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%