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| Format | Legality |
| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Archenemy | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Tiny Leaders | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Vault of Champions
Land
Vault of Champions enters the battlefield tapped unless you have two or more opponents.
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DemonDragonJ on
‘Tis But A Scratch
1 year ago
"A scratch? Your arm is off!"
Seriously, however, this is a great deck, and it is nice to see that March of the Machines gave such great support to knights as a tribe.
I personally would recommend the shocklands (i.e., Hallowed Fountain, Godless Shrine, and Watery Grave) over the "bond lands" (i.e., Sea of Clouds, Morphic Pool, and Vault of Champions), since the shock lands are far more reliable than are the bond lands, and any deck that contains both black and white should easily be able afford to pay 2 life per land, in order for it to enter the battlefield untapped.
Austin_Smith_of_Cards on
Deathmonicon - Teysa Karlov Aristocrats EDH
1 year ago
New changelog for the new year!
-1 Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim +1 Elas il-Kor, Sadistic Pilgrim
-1 Krav, the Unredeemed +1 Ashnod's Altar
-1 Field of Ruin +1 Vault of Champions
Ayli has always felt lukewarm in this list, the sac outlet isn’t free and the benefit is mediocre, and I never activate the second ability unless I’m already way ahead in the game (I find myself much more willing to spend life than hold onto it with stuff like Necropotence, Bitterblossom). Elas comes in to add additional drain redundancy to the list, plus I expect a low-cost deathtoucher to be an effective rattlesnake.
Krav has always been a powerful card, sacrifice outlet, beatstick, and card advantage in one, but as I’m slimming the list down, the black mana activation and 5-drop status has just been a little pricey. In comes back in Ashnod’s Altar as a free sac outlet and combo piece.
Field of Ruin for Vault of Champions is mostly just due to me moving to more multiplayer commander instead of 1v1, and bc my meta is mostly “fair” aggro decks, I find myself more often wanting color fixing over nonbasic land destruction.
AstroAA on How Many Dual Lands Should …
2 years ago
In regard to your question of Silent Clearing and War Room - card draw wins games, and you can never have too much of it unless you kill yourself with it. I would definitely run Silent Clearing, and possibly War Room.
If I were to build a Black/White deck, my base for lands that tap for either color would look something like this:
- Command Tower
- Godless Shrine
- Caves of Koilos
- Vault of Champions
- Tainted Field
- Silent Clearing
- Brightclimb Pathway Flip
Then, depending on if you feel like you need more, you could run the following:
I tend to stay away from lands that have a condition where they either entered tapped or untapped, and I straight up avoid lands that enter tapped. The Battlebond cycle, (Vault of Champions), is an exception because if you are playing commander, then they will enter untapped as you probably are playing multiplayer. Lands like Isolated Chapel more than likely will enter untapped, but there is a nonzero possibility of a situation like them being in your opening hand and you only have lands like Reliquary Tower or Command Tower in it as well, causing it to more than likely enter tapped.
DreadKhan on
Isshin, Two Heavens as One
2 years ago
If you want a cheaper $ option than Grand Abolisher (or would like another card that can do similar work), Wandering Archaic Flip is a substantial tax on all opponent's instants/sorceries, but that tax matters most with countermagic, making everyone else's counters either very good (if you want the same thing countered for example), or very expensive (people usually consider Cancel unplayable for costing 3 mana). Archaic isn't as good at protecting your own stuff, but it's a way bigger effect generally.
You might also like Generous Gift over Disenchant, and I prefer Vanishing Verse over Fracture, but Verse is more of a competitive card maybe. Slayers' Stronghold might be nice, vigilance and haste are useful for WR.
For (potentially) untapped duals, there are a few cycles worth a look. Pathways are good (but no longer cheap unfortunately, they might go down after they rotate out of Standard though), Blightstep Pathway Flip, Brightclimb Pathway Flip, and Needleverge Pathway Flip are all solid cards to keep an eye out for. Luxury Suite, Spectator Seating, and Vault of Champions are duals that usually come in untapped when it matters, and are considered among the best non-fetchable dual lands. You could try the new cycle from Innistrad, Haunted Ridge, Shattered Sanctum, and Sundown Pass are good as long as you're not running a low land count, 35 should probably work. While Sulfurous Springs is pricey, Caves of Koilos is cheap, Battlefield Forge isn't bad either, they're always untapped and by mid game you usually just use them for colourless and they have no downside. Concealed Courtyard, Inspiring Vantage, and Blackcleave Cliffs are very good, some are really expensive once again. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is a great way to make all your lands Swamps, handy for stuff like Cabal Coffers as well as just to fix your mana. Shadowblood Ridge is an untapped source of RB, which isn't a bad, but there is only the 1 in your wedge of colours, this land might be handy if you run a cycle where the RB land is really pricey.
Hope some of this is helpful, the deck seems pretty decent.
DemonDragonJ on How Many Dual Lands Should …
2 years ago
I am planning to soon build my first two-colored EDH deck, so I would like some advice for it. More specifically, it shall be a two-colored deck with Liesa, Shroud of Dusk as the general, and I am wondering how many dual lands I should put into such a deck.
Obviously, lands such as Godless Shrine, Isolated Chapel, and Fetid Heath are a given, but, after that, I am less certain. In any other deck, I would never include a lifegain tapland, but a deck such as this could take advantage of the life gained from Scoured Barrens. Vault of Champions and Concealed Courtyard are too situational, but I would have no problem with Shattered Sanctum; Tainted Field and Temple of Silence are nice, but nothing spectacular, and what about Silent Clearing? Is it good, or does War Room render it obsolete?
What does everyone else say about this? How many dual lands should a two-colored EDH deck contain?
PirateCptAstera on
A.D.D.
2 years ago
Mortlocke on
The Queen's Egg
2 years ago
Hey abierto,
Indeed it’s been awhile since you commented, glad to hear from you. Thank you for bringing these cards onto my radar, let’s discuss them - I can easily tell that Survival of the Fittest would dramatically change the way the deck plays – with Survival of the Fittest + Dregscape Sliver on the board, access to at least 3 mana, 1 creature in hand, and at least an additional I can combo out and win the game on that turn. The only drawbacks I can see here are the mana requirements coupled with the more than likely opponent interaction that would be coming my way. Given that Dregscape Sliver’s ability is only sorcery speed – that only solidifies my concern as A simple Bojuka Bog could wreck me If I do not populate my graveyard with care and proper timing. This makes me wish that Paradox Engine wasn’t banned – I really miss that card. The verdict is out on Survival of the Fittest, I want to like to this card but I can’t help but feel hesitant in including it (let alone the investment). I think I’ll maybe proxy it in and see where that takes me. Speaking which, check out this really awesome alter:
Survival of the Fittest Sliver Alter Show
Dregscape Sliver on the other hand I’m considering including. Maybe cutting Patriarch's Bidding, as I do not like the mana investment and the potential added bonus of assisting opponents. In the metas I play in there are a lot of tribal decks – I’m sitting across from at least one or two other tribal decks every game. I’m ordering a copy today, so thank you for mentioning that card again.
Hi Sneuxfox (death by Snu snu?),
Welcome to my deck page! Thank you for posting. I’ve always wanted to work Magma Sliver into this decklist, but I don’t think it would be a good fit – Magma lends itself toward a Sliver deck that compliments a more Aggro strategy where the goal is to hit a “critical mass” of creatures and abuse enough evasion keywords to get a single creature to knock an opponent out. First Sliver's Chosen would be an absolute must include alongside Magma Sliver, as it would solidify a Voltron strategy by stacking Exalted triggers alongside Magma’s ability. I definitely agree that the aforementioned can get out hand when you have just one Sliver be the target of multiple triggers.
I agree that it's criminal that Magma doesn't make it's way into alot of lists, maybe it's due to most decks wanting to lean into the Mid-range Sliver tool box? Or maybe it's because the deck would need to be more Voltron centric? I decided to throw together a quick decklist as an example of what I think the average deck running Magma Sliver would look like:
Budget Aggro Sliver Decklist Show
What're your thoughts on the list, Sneuxfox ?
tylorlilley on
Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign
2 years ago
IN: Hengegate Pathway Flip, Clearwater Pathway Flip, Brightclimb Pathway Flip, Vault of Champions
OUT: 3x Temples, Path of Ancestry
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