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Crown of Doom
Whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control, it gets +2/+0 until end of turn.
: Target player other than Crown of Doom's owner gains control of it. Activate this ability only during your turn.
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Crown of Doom Discussion
1 week ago
NetholonTheArchmage, thank you for the thoughtful reply! I think I've been convinced to try Sunforger in one of my decks now. I'd misread the "other than the owner" clause on Crown of Doom it makes a lot more sense now.
Donating huggy cards I totally agree with! It most certainly benefits you most when they're kept around the longest. Personally I prefer huggy ramp > draw because it's something Jeskai typically lacks and is already strong in draw so I'd like to keep that axis of advantage over my opponents. Also, Zedruu drawing you more while the hugs ramps you will let you cast more of those cards just drawn... You're now playing odd Simic! But they wouldn't see that! They just see they get ramp! :D
I can totally understand wanting somewhat janky win conditions as opposed to the most stream lined. Have you considered Transcendence ? It may seem easy to pull off but it leads to some really really janky lines of play. I've found myself change mannerisms and verbally provoke an opponent into attacking me just to get me lower on life so that I could then play & donate to them. Sometimes they're at like 18 life so then they're still technically alive but close to death... It's silly.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't consider it a victory when opponents scoop to Grip of Chaos Perplexing Chimera Divine Intervention or Thieves' Auction . Maybe my playgroup is more spikey than yours to scoop so easily but I see this often and it warms my heart to force scoops.
1 week ago
I didn't notice that little trick to Warmonger Hellkite at all! I thought he was just an overcosted Moonveil Dragon , huge thank you for that catch! I'm not sure where to fit him in, but he's definitely in there next revision. Crown of Doom I had in this list, but I felt it was a little pricey for the effect when trying to stay under my budget. Thanks for the suggestions!
1 week ago
Warmonger Hellkite is great because he can pump ANY attacking creatures. Even your opponent's creatures. Great combat trick if you want to help other players kill each other. Crown of Doom does likewise.
1 week ago
@ MCJennings ,
The Sunforger -package still is a work in progress. I had in in the deck for a long time (half a year now) but always came upon the same problem: I didn't draw the Sunforger... If I finally did it anyway, it worked absolutely fine as a tutor-for-needed-answers-tool. If i'm being attacked I always can use Path to Exile or Swords to Plowshares . If there is an enchantment I really want to be gone I tutor up Return to Dust , Oblation or the like. If something really bad is happening I can cast Teferi's Protection to phase out and if I should be missing a landdrop I can cast Tithe to search for a couple of lands. Thanks to Mistveil Plains I am able to use a single spell as much as I want to, putting it back on the bottom of my library. The only problem: Sunforger was always hiding somewhere in my deck... That's why I added some new cards to the deck, that shall help me by searching the infamous hammer: Enlightened Tutor (can be used to tutor for everything you should be needing repeatedly via Sunforger + Plains) , Open the Armory and Steelshaper's Gift . These cards however have just been ordered and the deck needs to be playtested yet. As for the sunforgers wielder it will most of the time be Zedruu herself. I try to keep my Zedruu-triggers low till the endgame, only drawing a couple cards/ gaining a couple life through her ability. She usually isn't being targeted at all by my opponents and only dies due to a boardwipe from time to time. The main goal of the deck is to stay hidden and fly under the radar most of the time. This usually works and people don't seem to care to much about what the goat is doing with her hammer.
The Clever Impersonator really is a very versatile and amazing card I just came upon a few weeks ago. While I really like your idea of the Copy Artifact being a 2mana manarock, the Impersonator usually serves a different purpose, targeting cards like: Venser's Journal , Maze of Ith , maybe Propaganda or Rhystic Study . Using it to copy Bitter Feud also is quite funny, as thing are getting out of hand quite quickly when everyone is dealing double to four times the damage to each other... The most valuable target just might be Paradox Haze though... just imagine all the cards you will draw, all the life you will gain by having three upkeeps <3
The Crown of Doom however simply is a very political card you can gift to your opponents to spread some bad blood. You usually want them to kill each other until only one opponent is left as it might be difficult to deal with a larger number of opponents when it comes to the winning-part. The important part about this card is that your opponents aren't allowed to give it back to you --> you are safe from the crown and draw cards from it while everyone else is trying to kill eachother... The Howling Mine is part of the grouphug-theme of the deck. While it of course allows everyone to draw an additional card, you are drawing one more card --> getting some extra value as soon as it is gifted away. Additionally the mine is a card your opponents don't want to get rid of --> it stays on the board longer --> you are getting more value from it over the time.
You are right about the Mindslaver being a lockdown with Academy Ruins aswell as with Trading Post + Forbidden Orchard . While I could be going for the easy win with Approach of the Second Sun or the like I really do love to have me some jank-wincons to make it more of a challenge to win for me. All of my wincons are hard work to pull of, but that is implied in the decks idea :)
I have had Tragic Arrogance in the deck for a long time and I know what it can do >:) problem is that I do need the Supreme Verdict for its ability of not being able to counter it, I need the Austere Command to pull of a "combo-win" with Enchanted Evening + Boros Charm and need Cyclonic Rift to deal with an indestructible board... or simply because it is awesome... :D I haven't got a free slot for another boardwipe though, so the Tragic Arrogance sadly needed to go :(
About the cards you mentioned: Bitter Feud simply is a fun political card that can be used to get rid of a very unpleasant opponent. Simply choose him and another player who will untap before him and he will usually finish him of. You can gift the enchantment away for Zedruu-value and rechoose its targets by bouncing it back to your hand/ blinking it with Venser, the Sojourner . Open the Vaults is very often a game winning card in this deck, as I'm usually getting back every single card in my graveyard. Cast this after a boardwipe or after you've been milled for some time and your board will be full of value all of a sudden. As this deck is focused around artifacts and enchantments you are usually getting more value out of this card than your enemies... Enchanted Evening + Greater Auramancy is a combo I have in the deck for board-protection during the lategame. As my deck doesn't heavily evolve around gifting permanents and uses Zedruu's ability only for some extra value or political offerings I usually can pull this of without having to much trouble. At the time I cast these cards I ususally have 3-4 of my permanents allready be sitting on my opponents boards so I don't need to gift away cards anymore. The only thing that doesn't work is winning to Illusions of Grandeur unless you gift the auramancy away to an opponent first.
I hope this helps understanding how the deck is meant to work, thank you for your time and may the goats blessing always be with you! :)
1 week ago
Does the Sunforger Package do enough for you? With how few creatures you're running I could see opponents easily preventing it even in colors that can't deal with artifacts well.
I've often gone back and forth on Clever Impersonator . Do you have typical targets for it or is it typically used on opponent permanents? I've recently included Copy Artifact because I found a good price for one- Personally I treat it as an additional 2 cmc rock to be the floor of it.
Crown of Doom seems to be an odd choice to me. 2 cmc to give away is the same price to you as it is an opponent- Doesn't this mean you're not breaking parity and thus play the card fairly? Or is there a different axis of use that I'm missing? Similar questions exist regarding Howling Mine
I'd consider swapping one of your board wipes to be instead Tragic Arrogance for how entirely one sided it can be to a Zedruu player (It also is Theros so it looks dope foiled).
A few cards I've always been curious about but never tested were the following. Can you confirm how well they've performed for you? Bitter Feud , Open the Vaults , Greater Auramancy + Enchanted Evening . Bitter I question its cmc, open the vaults I question the frequency of relevance, and the last combo I suppose I'm fearful that it'd hinder too much of my own interaction... Do you donate first the auramancy followed by casting enchanted evening?
I can talk all day about Zedruu lists, she's my first EDH deck. I like the direction you've taken her, it's far more responsive than my own.
4 months ago
6 months ago
Braid of Fire is definitely tempting. Xantcha is an amazing sink for this card. My only concern would be how long the game lasts. Two mana is such a low investment that it might be worth putting into the deck anyways. Also would make a stronger case for Pyrohemia getting added back into the deck too!
As far as Vampiric Link goes, I think you're spot-on with your analysis. I don't think the lifegain offsets the potential of getting 2-for-1'd and once my opponents know that I'm gaining life for every Xantcha activation; they will probably stop doing it. It also would be a nonbo with 3 cards currently in the deck (Sulfuric Vortex, Havoc Festival, and Rampaging Ferocidon). Along the same line of thinking, I considered adding Phyresis into the deck. However, since it would be the only source of infect, she would either need to attack the same enemy twice or have someone pump 15 mana into her activated ability before she (or the enchantment) gets removed. Alternatively there could be a damage doubler on the battlefield, but I think that's bordering on thinking too wishfully.
Adding in Braid of Fire is really tempting but also hard to slot in. As I mentioned in the update section, I'm trying to add more card draw, another boardwipe (Pyrohemia or Chain Reaction?), and a land. You could somewhat make an argument for Braid of Fire being card draw with Xantcha, but that might be stretching it too much. I'm also looking for cuts in the deck so that I can include those categories of cards; but I love every card that's currently in there. Thinking Crown of Doom even though it encourages attacks and potentially turns Xantcha into a 3 turn kill instead of a 5 turn. Let me know what you think!
Crown of Doom occurrence in decks from the last year
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