Bountiful Promenade

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Arena Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Bountiful Promenade

Land

This enters the battlefield tapped unless you have two or more opponents.

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AstroAA on Should I Keep Luminarch Ascension …

5 months ago

Luminarch Ascension is just slow. I used to run it in my Sythis, Harvest's Hand enchantress prison deck as a backup method to get beaters out, and most of the time I'd play it and it'd just sit there as I'd use my mana for other things. It's not worth it most of the time.

I do not know why you aren't already running Esper Sentinel. In your deck you're running a bunch of anthems, and Esper Sentinel can easily draw you a ridiculous amount of cards rather quickly if his tax gets up to 4~5 mana. He's easily one of the best white cards in Magic, and your deck seems likely to support him. Plus he's only one mana, and you have an absolutely ridiculous CMC of 3.87 with only seven mana rocks - two of which are 4+ CMC.

My advice? Fuck Smothering Tithe. I personally think the card is overrated and is one of the most "kill on sight" cards in Magic. A quarter of the time you play it and it's countered. Another quarter of the time you play it and it gets blown up immediately. Another quarter of the time you play it and it does nothing. The last quarter of the time it does something. If you wanted to play some cheaper "kill on sight" cards to bait out counter magic and kill spells, Food Chain, Survival of the Fittest, and even something like Grafdigger's Cage against certain decks. But, take what I say here with a grain of salt - I just don't like Smothering Tithe, and I think the CMC of it won't help you that much since you don't run a lot of ramp. I'd honestly rather run Yasharn, Implacable Earth over Smothering Tithe in your deck right now.

Now, you asked for feedback and suggestions, so here are my main suggestions. I'm not sure your budget, but considering you're asking us to decide between two $20~$30 cards, I'll assume it's higher than the average Magic player's. Here is a basic list of things you can do to improve your deck:

  • Go through your deck and individually look at every card in it. Think to yourself "How often do I play this card? Does this card make an impact whenever I play it? Is it just immediately answered? How does this fit into my game plan?" etc. Cut cards that you think aren't up to par or properly fit into your deck.
  • Your deck seems to lack a proper direction. You say you want to pillowfort and focus on building up an army. Cards like Windborn Muse and Ghostly Prison can help you prevent people from swinging at you. If you wanted to prevent people from swinging at all, Crawlspace and Dueling Grounds can work, and you can just pop them with a Nature's Claim or something before you want to start attacking. If you wanted to focus more on the army aspect, you could go with stuff like Avenger of Zendikar, Rhys the Redeemed, or Tendershoot Dryad.
  • Lower your Converted Mana Cost. You currently have a CMC of 3.87, which is rather high. In addition, you are only running seven pieces of ramp - all mana rocks - and two of them are four or more CMC, which does not help you much. Cut cards that don't do much and replace them with either cheaper mana rocks or mana dorks. A few that I immediately see that I would cut are cards like Treva, the Renewer, Skyward Eye Prophets, Empyrial Archangel, and Archon of the Triumvirate. Cards you should add are like Avacyn's Pilgrim, Birds of Paradise, Sylvan Caryatid, and Noble Hierarch. This will lower your CMC and provide additional mana ramp.
  • Lands. You are currently running 38 lands, which is definitely on the high end. However, I think this is a product of having a CMC of 3.87. I think should you end up reducing your CMC to around 2.75 to 3.00 while adding in at least ~7 sources of mana acceleration you can go down to 32~33 lands, which is much more reasonable. However, I also want to talk about your land choices. You aren't running any fetches and many of your lands have a chance to enter tapped. I would look at adding in more fetches such as Prismatic Vista, Windswept Heath, Misty Rainforest, and Flooded Strand at least. In addition, I'd also look at lands such as City of Brass, Mystic Confluence, and the Battlebond lands such as Bountiful Promenade, Rejuvenating Springs, and Sea of Clouds should you reliably play with 3+ people pods. Cut cards like Seaside Citadel and the check lands, as they're kind of feelsbad turn one plays.
  • Removal. You aren't running much removal to deal with threats. Cheap removal such as Nature's Claim, Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Return to Nature, and On Thin Ice are all super good in EDH. I would definitely look at improving your removal suite outside of 3+ mana counterspells. Also, look at cheaper counterspells. Cards like Mana Drain would be super good here as it provides you mana acceleration while stopping your opponents.

There is more I would like to add, such as talking more about card advantage, but I've spent damn near close to an hour typing this so I'm gonna call it here. Now, take what I've said with a grain of salt. I'm a high-powered player; I like to optimize my decks, and with optimization comes homogenization. I.e; your decks become less unique. You've got a pretty unique deck here, and if you like it then you like it. Ultimately it's up to you on making that call of whether or not you want to optimize and change everything. If you need more help, feel free to ask. Good luck, and sorry for the wall of text.

legendofa on How do you, personally, balance …

6 months ago

Pip percentages all the way. I start off with "5-color basics" in play testing; I use tokens or off-color lands or other generic cards to fill land slots and pretend they enter untapped and tap for any color, no downside. So play testing with perfect mana. All nonland ramp and fixing should be in place at this point. Lands are the last thing I work on.

Once I get the main deck in a good spot and start looking at color balancing, I count the total pips and pips of each color, and divide them proportionally into basic lands, including hybrids as full pips. Let's say I'm putting together a EDH deck and have landed on 38 land slots. I count the green pips and get 50, blue pips are at 66, and white pips are at 45, for a total of 161 pips. I want at least 50/161 of my mana base to be green, 66/161 to be blue, and 45/161 to be white. That's 31% green, 41% blue, and 28% white.

The next step is to put that into the 38 land slots. I start with basic lands to ensure the balance. Using the percentage above, that's 12 Forests, 16 Islands, and 11 Plains, for a total of 39 lands. Cut one from the highest (rounding error), dropping Islands to 15. Next, check if any colors are overrepresented at mana value 1-2, and take 1-2 from the highest and give it to that color. In this example, let's say I loaded up on low MV green cards for ramp, so cut one more Island for a Forest. Final basic land totals are 13 Forest, 14 Island, and 11 Plains.

Finally, because I want multicolor lands in there, I switch basics out for nonbasics, keeping the colors as proportional as possible. So I'll take out a Forest and and Island for a Breeding Pool and Yavimaya Coast, a Forest and a Plains for Bountiful Promenade and Overgrown Farmland, a Plains and an Island for Port Town and Nimbus Maze, one of each for Seaside Citadel, Treva's Ruins, and Spara's Headquarters, and so on. Fetchlands are treated as lands that can add mana of the colors it searches for, and single-color lands like Eiganjo Castle are switched out one for one with their basic lands.

I always try to keep enough basic lands to cast any spell in the deck off basic lands alone. If I have cards that cost and in the deck, I will keep at least five basic lands. At least two of those will be Islands, and at least one will be a Forest and a Plains each. You never know when a Back to Basics or Ruination will come by to mess up your day.

Finally, colorless lands. I add these on a case by case basis, usually skimming from the color I have the most sources for.

So it's a process, but I've found it to be very reliable in the long run.

AstroAA on Lae'Zel Master Chef +1/+1 counters

7 months ago

Adding in because it dawned on me after the fact: If you wanted to further trim your CMC, replace Juniper Order Ranger with Good-Fortune Unicorn. Not as good as Juniper Order Ranger as it doesn't place a +1/+1 counter on itself, but it does still place a counter on the ETB'ing creature for two less mana.

Managorger Hydra and Knight of Autumn are both really strong. Avenger of Zendikar can get ridiculous really quickly. You should also look at including more spot removal, like Nature's Claim, Beast Within, and Generous Gift. Tutors like Chord of Calling, Worldly Tutor, Eladamri's Call, and Green Sun's Zenith can help add in redundancy.

Also, I'd advise replacing the taplands (lands that ETB tapped) in your landbase. These slow you down a lot. Things like Brushland, Bountiful Promenade, City of Brass, Mana Confluence, and maybe even sometimes Razorverge Thicket can be helpful. Also, fetches like Windswept Heath, Arid Mesa, Misty Rainforest, and Prismatic Vista can also speed you up tremendously because they filter lands from your deck, meaning you're more likely to draw a card that you can play instead of a land - albeit playing fetches like the ones I've listed can get rather expensive $$$ wise very quickly.

K1ngMars on General Land and Deck Help

1 year ago

Nice deck! Your curve is medium (avg 3,54) and you produce enough mana with treasures and rocks to compensate for it, so the land count should really be fine. I'd consider adding the remaining 5 Shock lands (like Steam Vents) instead of the taplands you mentioned and you should be good. The only problem you incur in by not having any basic lands is that an occasional Path to Exile, or similar effect, will have you fail to find a basic land in your deck. If the aforementioned circumstance is a worry to you, just add 1-2 basics over the triomes and you're good, else ingore it completely. If you notice a lack of mana in the next few games, consider adding 2-3 lands and try again. It's absolutely not straightforward to round down exactly how many lands a deck needs, take your time. Another set of good lands would be the Battlebond lands, i.e. the ones that enter untapped if you have at least 2 or more opponents, like Bountiful Promenade

As a small addition to my comment: have you considered cards like Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer and Reflections of Littjara? They seem like a good fit in your deck over some cards like Hoarding Ogre and Skullport Merchant. Moreover, another good effect to have would be all the activated ability cost reducers like Training Grounds, Biomancer's Familiar and Zirda, the Dawnwaker, to really enable Kenrith to do a lot more.

KBK7101 on Walking With Dinosaurs

1 year ago

Ixalan dino decks are always cool. +1 for having matching basics!

Some potential upgrades I'd suggest would be some more efficient lands such as shock lands, Spectator Seating , Bountiful Promenade , Spire Garden , Sunbaked Canyon , Grand Coliseum and definitely Ancient Ziggurat . You might also want to think about some more artifact ramp such as Arcane Signet , Pillar of Origins , Herald's Horn or Urza's Incubator (though that last one has skyrocketed in price recently).

Some cuts I'd recommend would be Fiery Emancipation due to it's triple red requirement, New Horizons for more efficent ramp, Territorial Hammerskull due to lack of impact and Thundering Spineback because seven mana to give other dinos +1/+1 is a bit too costly.

abierto on The Queen's Egg

1 year ago

Mortlocke I've almost forgot! If you're playing in a multiplayer pod, Bond Lands can be even better then filter/pain/horizon lands.

Sea of Clouds - Morphic Pool - Luxury Suite - Spire Garden - Bountiful Promenade - Vault of Champions - Training Center - Undergrowth Stadium - Spectator Seating - Rejuvenating Springs

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