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Toxic Relationship: Hapatra EDH | *PRIMER*

Commander / EDH BG (Golgari) Combo Counters Stax Tempo Tokens




This deck abuses -1/-1 counters for fun and profit: it's a token/stax deck, killing and maiming your opponents' creatures, with many possible combo kills thrown into the mix for good measure.

Hapatra's first ability is very relevant, surprisingly. You can take advantage of the fact that most tables will have at least one player without a creature on Turn 3, so you can usually swing to kill small utility creatures and get snakes. My favorite target to murder is Dark Confidant, hehe.

But her second ability is the reason to build around her. Spells like Black Sun's Zenith give disgusting value here: when you kill the board, you retain an army of deathtouching snakes! The snakes work equally well as attackers or defenders - deathtouch is a powerful ability on expendable creatures. It's also ludicrously easy to get more than 20 snakes, sac them for mana/cards, then win.

There are four major infinite combos (detailed below), which can yield many early wins. If the combos fail, for whatever reason, the deck can easily transition to being a stax build (with Smokestack, Mind Slash , etc) and/or classic beatdown (with Eldrazi Monument, Triumph of the Hordes, etc).

There are four main infinite combos in this deck:

-- Blowfly Infestation + Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons is the most well-known combo. It gives infinite token ETBs, infinite counter placement, and infinite death triggers (as long as you have two snakes when you begin the combo). With this combo working, Nest of Scarabs gives infinite creatures, Blood Artist/ Obelisk Spider gives infinite life loss, et cetera.

(Be aware that this first combo does not work with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed on the field, unless you also control a free sac outlet like Ashnod's Altar.)

-- Devoted Druid + Quillspike creates infinite power, even without your commander. Paired with Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons or Nest of Scarabs , it also gives an infinite number of snakes! Both pieces of this combo can be fetched with Protean Hulk (thanks for unbanning that, Sheldon!) along with Sylvan Safekeeper to protect the combo from spot removal.

-- Devoted Druid + Mikaeus, the Unhallowed gives infinite death triggers and infinite -1 counter placement. With Obelisk Spider or Blood Artist, this causes your opponents to lose infinite life. Paired with Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons or Nest of Scarabs , this creates infinite tokens. Paired with Lightning Greaves or Ashnod's Altar, this also creates infinite mana.

-- Devoted Druid + Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons + Ivy Lane Denizen generates infinite green mana and infinite snakes. I discovered this combo by accident, heh. Unlike the other combos, Nest of Scarabs does not work as a replacement for Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons here.

Your best mass distributors for -1 counters are Harbinger of Night, Midnight Banshee, and Black Sun's Zenith. They will put counters on your snakes too, but your snakes will return if you control Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons (or Nest of Scarabs ). Functionally, Harbinger of Night acts like casting Deploy to the Front each turn!

I've frequently netted more than 60 deathtouching snakes by doing this. Just try to ensure Hapatra has a way to survive the global counter placement, such as Ivy Lane Denizen or Defiant Greatmaw .

Natural Order frequently grabs Protean Hulk T4 or earlier. This can be enough to close out a game alone against an unprepared opponent.

Smokestack is of course one of the most vicious stax cards ever printed. You should have many expendable snakes to sacrifice, while your opponents lose more vital cards. Just don't forget to use it in the right way: sacrifice then increment the counters, so that you sacrifice less permanents than your opponent.

If a creature has even one counter on it, Vhati il-Dal can kill it - even if it's indestructible! Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre cannot stand up the power of Hapatra's poisons, muahahaha!

Triumph of the Hordes forces your opponents into a sadistic choice: if they block, you get more snakes because the infecting creatures deal combat damage in the form of -1 counters. If they choose not to block, even five snakes can prove deadly.

Ulvenwald Tracker is one of the most powerful creatures in this deck. It allows your snakes to Murder almost any threat on the field at instant speed - it's a powerful incentive for your opponents not to attack or mess with you.

Most of the tutors in this deck grab creatures. And while a large portion of the strategy in the deck is learning to tutor for the right thing at the right time, here's a rough outline:

Defense of the Heart usually tutors for Protean Hulk and Sadistic Hypnotist. This does leave a very brief gap for your Protean Hulk to be Path to Exile'd, though. You could include Viscera Seer in the list to remove that possibility, if you're worried. Or you could tutor for Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Devoted Druid to go infinite immediately, as long as you control your commander.

Natural Order also usually grabs Protean Hulk, but it can also grab your other combo piece directly or just a useful creature at the time. Eldritch Evolution and Worldly Tutor usually vary heavily based on board state.

Protean Hulk, in turn, usually tutors for Devoted Druid, Quillspike, and Sylvan Safekeeper. Unfortunately there are not any 1-mana creatures that can give haste in Golgari colors, but Sylvan Safekeeper can protect the combo pieces against spot removal.

The other major Protean Hulk combo is to grab Devoted Druid and Ivy Lane Denizen . This combo trades protection (no shroud) for speed (can ignore summoning sickness).

Uncage the Menagerie is a new addition to the deck, and it's heavily dependent on context. If you control Quillspike, X=2 can grab Devoted Druid + Blood Artist. If you control Devoted Druid, X=3 can grab Obelisk Spider + Quillspike + Necroskitter. If you are in the late-game and cannot combo for whatever reason, X=4 grabs Ivy Lane Denizen + Soul Snuffers + Meren of Clan Nel Toth + Vhati il-Dal for a more long-game token approach.

If you include Birthing Pod in the deck, it almost always goes for Ulvenwald Tracker first - after all, he does basically read ", : Murder" when paired with a snake token. After that point, it can tutor for several options, but most often hits Devoted Druid.

And your non-creature tutors will usually grab Blowfly Infestation for the one-card combo with Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons, of course. Just remember that you need two snakes to execute this combo...

This deck thrives in a "mixed meta" - as in, where at least one player has very few creatures (so you can connect with Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons) and at least one player has many creatures (so that you have targets to put -1 counters on).

These are not insurmountable challenges - if all of your opponents have creatures, you can rely on cards other than Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons to place -1 counters. If none of your opponents have creatures, you can place counters on your own creatures without harming your gameplan TOO much - indeed, your infinite combos rely on doing so. They just tend to slow down the deck's tempo.

The deck is geared very much towards multiplayer (simply because more creatures = more -1 counters from global effects like Black Sun's Zenith). However, if playing in 1v1, the best plan is to prioritize stax cards against a controlling opponent, and early "rattlesnake" blockers against aggro decks.

Against a control deck, your combos will usually be disrupted. If you control Mind Slash or Sadistic Hypnotist, you can empty their hand before comboing. If this is not feasible, you can force them to waste their counterspells on your combo pieces, then push for a win through a token-aggro approach.

As is typical for me, I started building this about 2 minutes after she was first spoiled, so this is likely the oldest Hapatra deck on the internet! :)

What remaining cards would you add/cut?

Now exists as a (slightly untuned) $25 budget deck! Check it out!

$25 Extreme Budget Hapatra EDH

Commander / EDH Daedalus19876


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HOPMONSTER says... #1

Excellent, +1. Here are some other fun cards to consider here:

Crumbling Ashes, Lockjaw Snapper, Hunter of Eyeblights , Plaguemaw Beast sac snakes to make more snakes.

Then Collective Unconscious and Slate of Ancestry for more cards draw equal to the number of snakes you control...

I'm sure you've already considered Parallel Lives and the like...

June 6, 2017 2:25 p.m.

slambamwam says... #2

Parallel Lives would be brutal in this deck.

June 6, 2017 5:43 p.m.

Teufell says... #3

Hello, I like your deck, I 've been playing this commander for some time and enjoying pretty much. I made a budget Hapatra, do you mind taking a look? Maybe giving me a few tips?A Lesson in Poison

What do you think of running Prowling Serpopard in this deck against f* counterspells?

June 11, 2017 3:40 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #4

Don't feed the snakes My variant of it so far

June 11, 2017 6:03 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #5

HOPMONSTER: Thank you for your comment! Most of those have been in this deck at some point, but were removed for one reason or another. I would like to put Crumbling Ashes but it came out for Defense of the Heart currently. Lockjaw Snapper and Plaguemaw Beast were too conditional (they only worked if I had other sources of -1 counters), and Parallel Lives basically only works if I control my commander. And while I probably should find room for a bit more card draw, Slate of Ancestry always frustrates me when I try to put it into a list (8 mana for its effect?). Thanks for the comment, I always appreciate your insight! :)

slambamwam: I really need a dedicated token deck. This deck works okay without it, though - I just hate that often I tap out for a somewhat dead card.

Teufell: I'll take a look at your list! :) For the moment I'm not too worried about counterspells - Hapatra comes down T2 and dodges many early responses - but if you play in a counterspell-heavy meta Prowling Serpopard and Gaea's Herald could be really helpful!

gdm1989: I'll take a look at your list too :)

Thank you all for your comments!

June 11, 2017 6:45 p.m.

Muushuu says... #6

You should run Melira, Sylvok OutcastBtw- check out my deck: []http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hapatras-twelve-inch-snake/)

June 17, 2017 7:19 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #7

Muushuu: Nah, she shuts down all of my combos. Ran her for a while, didn't like her at all, cut her. In particular, if my opponents don't have many creatures, she completely hobbles my deck.

I'll check it out when I get some time :) You're welcome to leave a +1 if you like my deck!

June 17, 2017 7:58 p.m.

Casey4321 says... #8

Spidersilk Armor? Presumably you're not running it because you don't need the reach.

June 17, 2017 8:26 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #9

Casey4321: It's a good card for this deck, but it's hard to open a slot in this deck. Eldrazi Monument does something of the same, though of course redundancy is always great. What would you cut for it, if anything?

June 17, 2017 8:40 p.m.

Casey4321 says... #10

Defiant Greatmaw seems like the first thing I see on the list that I question why it's really there.

Possibly Harbinger of Night as I am not a huge fan of forced counter placement either myself.

June 17, 2017 8:46 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #11

Casey4321: I've found Defiant Greatmaw to be really useful because of forced counter placement. If I control Harbinger of Night or cast Black Sun's Zenith, et cetera, the counter placed on Defiant Greatmaw removes the counter on Hapatra (assuming she didn't die as an SBA).

And while forced counter placement can be a pain, it's also one of our cheapest methods of mass -1 generation. I've found it to be worth it despite the downside, personally.

June 17, 2017 9:06 p.m.

Casey4321 says... #12

June 17, 2017 10:39 p.m.

Casey4321 says... #13

Apologies for the double post but Concordant Crossroads has been helpful for those times I've had Ivy Lane + Hapatra + Devoted.

June 18, 2017 10:55 a.m.

Enral says... #14

Love the deck +1

June 18, 2017 10:51 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #15

Enral: Thanks! :) Anything I should improve?

June 28, 2017 2:17 a.m.

gdm1989 says... #16

So far there were some good cards spoiled in hour of devastation that could be useful in the deck Torment of Hailfire, Mirage Mirror, Torment of Scarabs, Torment of Venom, Ammit Eternal, Driven//Despair Hour of Glory, and Rhonas's Last Stand

June 28, 2017 9:46 a.m.

Enral says... #17

Daedalus19876: I think the only thing I would do is to put the Mike combo back since you already have hulk to fetch for the instant win. This will give you an alternate out to impossible games and mike is really good in your deck already.

June 28, 2017 10:52 a.m.

gdm1989 says... #18

Obelisk spider is going to be real fun for hapatra decks now

June 30, 2017 12:42 p.m.

Teufell says... #19

Hey friend, I'm updating my deck with yours. Tell me, do you intend to use any cards from hour of devastation with this deck? There some goood one's, such as the aforementioned spider by gdm1989 and hour of glory.

June 30, 2017 3:28 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #20

yep I plan to especially that Torment of Hailfire and Driven / Despair

June 30, 2017 10:16 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #21

oops you meant daedalus lol

June 30, 2017 10:17 p.m.

Teufell says... #22

gdm1989 you have a hapatra deck right? So your thoughts are appreciated. I'm not so sure on how to procced with mine now with hOUR OF DEVASTATION COMING UP. I feel lost.

June 30, 2017 11:18 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #23

sure here's my deck it's like that variant but a tad different will tweak it soon

July 1, 2017 12:04 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #24

There are a lot of comments here!

I'll respond to them all in the morning :)

July 1, 2017 2:16 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #25

gdm1989: Thanks for highlighting those! I'm definitely including Driven / Despair and Ammit Eternal, and possibly including Torment of Venom. And of course Obelisk Spider is an auto-include haha (probably over Blood Artist?).

Enral: You're correct; I really need to acquire another Mikaeus, the Unhallowed.

Teufell: I'm honored you're using my deck as a template! I plan to include Driven / Despair, Ammit Eternal, and Obelisk Spider for sure. I'm indecisive about Torment of Venom...is it worth the mana cost? I'm also thinking about Lethal Sting (god, I wish that was an instant...)

I also need to update this deck into a proper primer soon! Stay tuned ;) and as always, thank you all so much for your thoughts and suggestions!

July 1, 2017 2:01 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #26

I would run Blood Artist as well daedalus as a backup plan Midnight Banshee could probably be replaced for the ammit eternal as for Torment of Hailfire it's to get rid of everything threatening Mirage Mirror can also be a back up

I'll test out my deck with these additions

but imo Midnight Banshee Serrated Arrows Splendid Agony Fume Spitter can go

July 1, 2017 6:57 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #27

gdm1989: While I do like redundancy, I honestly think that Torment of Hailfire is meh here. It's not a bad card, it just doesn't fit the deck's goals (since the deck doesn't generate too much mana).

I don't see Mirage Mirror fitting, at least. What should it copy within this deck?

My first cut might be Incremental Blight TBH...I'll think further on it.

July 1, 2017 7:28 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #28

The Incremental Blight should stay in my honest opinion I went against a Samut, Voice of Dissent deck. That card saved me multiple times also it's also a good way to stop a few eldrazi titans reason I mentioned Mirage Mirror is there may be times where we either

a. want to create a extra mana rock in case the deck get mana screwed.

b. If a opponent brings out a creature or resource v that can destroy everything so why not use it as a insurance policy?

July 1, 2017 7:36 p.m.

Teufell says... #29

Daedalus19876, I've been using Prowling Serpopard on my deck for quite some time to protect myself from pesky counters. What do you think of it ?

By the way, could you take a look at my deck and comment on what you think of It?A Lesson in Poison

July 2, 2017 5:48 p.m.

Bhaal666 says... #30

So I've really enjoyed my Hapatra deck but with The Scorpion God being a thing and more than a few -1/-1 counters available from red I've started a side project. Thought maybe if I got another pair of eyes I could decide if it is worth pursuing WAAAAAAAGH Of The Graveborn. At this point I don't have much to say about it, still very work in progress.

July 5, 2017 6:53 a.m.

MeatPuppet says... #31


Really like the deck, and was wondering if you could explain the inclusion of Garruk Relentless  Flip for me? I feel like I'm missing the boat as I'm seeing (1) a contrived tutor, (2) slow token creation, or (3) ultimate quasi-finisher.

Much appreciated!

July 5, 2017 3:10 p.m.

Triton says... #32

Hey Daedalus19876, so I have a Mazirek stax deck and been considering switching to Hapatra because she's more effective at breaking parity with stax cards. Here's my Mazirek list, and I was wondering what you'd suggest cutting to for cards that work with Hapatra:

Get MaziREKT

Commander / EDH Triton


Thanks in advance!

July 5, 2017 7:12 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #33

made some changes still fixing a few things my good friend new variant

July 9, 2017 2:29 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #34

Agent of the Fates I just realized can be exploited with hapatra >:D

July 9, 2017 2:58 p.m.

Gamered says... #35

Thank you for posting this deck and his budget version, I decided to use Hapatra as a commander after the prerelease event.

I got inspired by your decklist, but I still need to modify it because I used only the cards I had at home. It only creates tokens with hapatra for now, It doesn't stack the opponent.

It's a shame you can't include The Scarab God or other wonderful cards in this deck.

July 9, 2017 3:56 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #36

Unless there's a nice jund idea then both hapatra and scorpion god would be dangerous together

July 9, 2017 5:46 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #37

Triton: I'll try and take a look soon. Prerelease took up most of my magic-allocated time this weekend, unfortunately.

gdm1989: I will also try and take a look at your deck soon! :) If I may ask, though, how does Agent of Fate interact with Hapatra?

Gamered: I wish I could include The Scorpion God in here, dammit! ;) Hour of Devastation was less kind than it could have been to this deck, because -1 counters mostly shifted into RB colors :/ I'm glad I've inspired you, though! The budget version of this deck is pretty untuned, so any suggestions are deeply appreciated.

July 10, 2017 12:54 a.m.

Triton says... #38

All good, been working on the list for the time being, here's the updated one, in need for suggestions and a clever title haha:

BG Stax

Commander / EDH Triton


July 10, 2017 1:11 a.m.

gdm1989 says... #39

nvm misread Agent of the Fates sorry XD

July 10, 2017 1:16 a.m.

kev41 says... #40

Shizo can give Hapatra fear so she can connect. I run it on my list

July 15, 2017 1:58 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #41

kev41: Not a bad idea! I'll try to get my hands on one :)

July 15, 2017 1:59 p.m.

hurricane219 says... #42

I'm curious as to why Blood Artist or Zulaport Cuthroat? Is that a meta call?

I love your list a lot. I feel like Uncage can do a lot of work. Great job!

What are your thoughts on Lethal sting and Torment of Venom?

July 16, 2017 5:14 p.m.

guard5 says... #43

New primer looks great. How is uncage the menagerie working for you.

July 17, 2017 12:37 a.m.

gdm1989 says... #44

Vraska the Unseen maybe have you tried experimenting with Tooth and Nail?

July 17, 2017 11:04 a.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #45

hurricane219: I used to play both Zulaport Cutthroat AND Blood Artist. But when Obelisk Spider was released, it fills the slot taken by one of them. Between the two, I prefer Blood Artist (since both work equally well with infinite combos, and he also hoses some death-trigger-focussed opposing decks). So Zulaport Cutthroat got the boot ;)

Lethal Sting and Torment of Venom both seem like passable cards, I just don't know where they fit. Torment of Venom will almost always be "4: Kill creature, and its controller loses 3 life", and while "snake + kill spell" is cute, I don't like not having removal options if I possess no creatures. Thoughts?

guard5: Thanks man! :) I actually haven't had the chance to cast it, but it seems solid in theory!

gdm1989: I like Vraska the Unseen as much as the next man, but I'm not sure she fits here. I think her +1 is...meh, and her -3 is a very expensive sorcery-speed removal. And I do not have any good ways to push through damage with her Assassins...and Tooth and Nail is REALLY expensive in terms of mana: my combo pieces are (mostly) cheap enough that I can just hardcast them after searching for them.

July 17, 2017 11:48 p.m.

hurricane219 says... #46

I find Lethal Sting and Torment of Venom to be great cards in that it furthers what we want to do and if used at the right time can force some hard choices. Plus it can refuel creatures that care about -1/-1 counters. I mean, in the end, its up to you.

I really enjoy your list. How are you finding P. Hulk?

At this point, in my list at least, I want protection and redundancy. Your list has it.

July 18, 2017 7:40 a.m.

gdm1989 says... #47

I take it Asceticism is too much too?

July 18, 2017 9 a.m.

Odysseus_97 says... #48

I am building my own hapatra deck, what are your thoughts on these cards?

Corrosive Mentor: The wither effect of the black creatures seems very nice, but sadly the snakes are green only. Considering it but what are your thoughts on this card?

Craterhoof Behemoth: Seems like a must in every token deck, you will have an army of tokens so dropping this would be really strong. But might not fit the theme of the deck, but feels wrong not running it. I run From Beyond in my deck as well so i have an extra token generator.

Archfiend of Ifnir: A card i am considering cutting. Its effect is amazing but there are not that many cycling cards that are useful in this deck, so its not often its effect will be used. The only cards you could use with cyclingWhat do you think?

Forgotten Ancient: Might be a good way to remove some -1/-1 counters from your creatures as a form of protection.

Seshiro the Anointed: Good snake lord, and will let you draw cards when a snake hits, isnt this really good in this deck?

Dusk Urchins: I'm not sure about this card, what are your thoughts?

Seasons Past How has this card performed?

Hope for some comments on these card. But what an awesome deck +1.

July 19, 2017 5:18 a.m.

Bhaal666 says... #49

Odysseus_97 my own hapatra deck is more casual than this one but I've used most the cards you are asking about.

Corrosive Mentor has been generally very nice for me. Either my creatures get through or i get a few extra snakes, been especially nice for forcing hapatra through. A few times he has been the only black creature so he sucks then but most my creatures are black and gives those silly bugs from Nest of Scarabs more bite. Also great for when people want to attack you until they figure out you benefit more from it.

Archfiend of Ifnir would be great in a discard deck or perhaps The Scorpion God has a good use for him. Sadly to force some usefulness from him you need around 10 discard effects or more for consistency, it just ends up being a subtheme that takes a lot of space and doesn't do enough. better off with Black Sun's Zenith , Carnifex Demon, Contagion Engine, Harbinger of Night, and Midnight Banshee. That seems to be plenty of mass negative counters.

Forgotten Ancient I'm not playing anymore but is hilariously overpowered. He can keep your stuff alive or just pump hapatra and kill someone with commander damage. The multiple uses for the positive counters is really worth it. I'm just testing a more reanimate oriented idea right now.

Dusk Urchins is surprising. Since hapatra drops turn 2 you swing turn 3 and you can place a negative counter here because you want the draw in a few more turns and then turn 4 swing with him for another snake. It is hard to explain how nice he has been but just think about how nice it is to draw 2 or 3 for 3 mana then add in that he gets snakes and might do some damage.

Seshiro the Anointed I removed him because when I want my snakes to get pumped up is also when I want to win. He is useful to have out as long as possible so that you can have deadly 3/3s and consistent draw but that stops a combo I use. If you use the Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons + Blowfly Infestation combo then you need to watch how many pumps you include since they turn it off. If you are not using that then include it as long as the mana doesn't slow you down too much.

July 19, 2017 7:19 a.m.

gdm1989 says... #50


Craterhoof Behemoth Is a good card but I rarely pull him most games lol I've been using him before I tweaked the deck

Archfiend of Ifnir like Bhaal666 said it would be better in a discard/cycle variant

Dusk Urchins Can provide you with card adventage pretty fast It's worth running

Seshiro the Anointed while draw power and giving snakes power is good and all but it's situational and can slow the deck down if you can't generate snakes

Shisato, Whispering Hunter would be a better alternative to seshiro

I also suggest running

Kamahl, Fist of Krosa in a hapatra deck if you want to slow your opponents down when it comes to mana

Bitter Ordeal with the hapatra combo to exile a library

Woodfall Primus with Mickey if you want to be that guy lol

I'm still debating on running Westvale Abbey  Flip

I wish I can run Blightsteel Colossus

Feel free to see my variant as well if you're interested

July 19, 2017 9:50 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #51

whistle A lot of comments here!

hurricane219: Protean Hulk has been spectacular in this list, especially when I can Defense of the Heart for it and a sac outlet. I'd highly recommend it to any deck relying on creature-based combos ;)

gdm1989 (first comment): I've thought about including Asceticism before. However, I rarely have the 2 mana open to regenerate, and it doesn't protect token swarms very well. I wish I could find a slot, though...


Corrosive Mentor only affects my things in combat, unfortunately. My non-snake creatures are relatively squishy in this deck, so I don't want them dealing damage to creatures if I can help it (because they'll usually die in the exchange). It is disgusting with Nest of Scarabs, though...

Craterhoof Behemoth is a great card, and even neater since all of my combat-relevant creatures have deathtouch :) but it simply comes down too late in many cases. I initially ran it so I could Natural Order in the late game, but I found that I rarely waited that long once I draw Natural Order. I put Triumph of the Hordes in its slot, and I wish I could play both, but slots are tight...

Archfiend of Ifnir is a card I WANT to use here, but I simply do not have enough discard. I'd have to make discard into a strong subtheme in the deck, and I definitely don't have enough slots to do that reliably...I suppose I could use all 7 relevant cycling lands, but that would slow my curve down pretty hard...

Forgotten Ancient is interesting! I'll keep that in mind haha.

Seshiro the Anointed is a dead 6-mana card if I can't make tokens with Hapatra...

Dusk Urchins was in here until the most recent update. I have not had the chance to test it yet, but I think that Ammit Eternal will prove better in the long run...

Seasons Past is an amazing piece of recursion, I'm surprised more people don't run it. I usually get at least 4 cards back for 6 mana. I wish I could run fetches for increased value...

Bhaal666 and gdm1989: You make extremely good points; I'm glad you're here to help me answer questions on my deck haha. And if I could find a slot for Kamahl, Fist of Krosa I'd probably run him...

July 19, 2017 10:09 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #52

yeah I forgot I mentioned Asceticism like you said it's powerful but not effective as I thought it would be with my precious snake tokens :(

Tenacious Hunter on the other hand can be effectiveI've been debating on running Protean Hulk again but I rather run Mickey again and find Woodfall Primus and blow up all their lands. I'm not taking any chances of getting jumped in a 6 player game again now my friends know how dangerous Hapatra really is XD

July 19, 2017 10:17 p.m.

gdm1989 says... #53

Imo Daedalus19876 I'll swap out Midnight Banshee for Kamahl, Fist of Krosa to speed things up do a few games without the banshee and see how it goes

July 19, 2017 10:21 p.m.

Bhaal666 says... #54

muhahaha I can't help myself when I see questions that I can answer.

Also I like the Kamahl idea... it would be nicer for me than beastmaster ascension.

July 19, 2017 10:45 p.m.

MSL2395 says... #55

Love your decks!! +1

July 20, 2017 2:37 a.m.

Teufell says... #56

Dude, how are you dealing with UR decks? I find it difficult to win, even though I have Prowling Serpopard in my deck. If the opponnent is not countering my Hapatra, he is destroying her every turn. Ivy Lane Denizen is not fast enough to make her strong enough to survive.

July 21, 2017 10:44 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #57

Teufell: I'm sorry to hear that :( A couple of answers:

1) I play in a slightly removal-light meta, and Hapatra's rarely the scariest thing on the board. So she slides a bit under the radar.

2) From the cards in the decklist, you could work at tutoring for Sylvan Safekeeper and Lightning Greaves more often. I don't have much anti-counter protection in the list, but a T2 Hapatra can usually slide under most counterspells. Command Beacon really is helpful for avoiding the commander tax - eventually you'll make them run out of counterspells.

3) There are also many cards you could add to avoid disruption. In addition to Prowling Serpopard, you could play Gaea's Herald, Choke, Tsunami, Carpet of Flowers, Autumn's Veil, City of Solitude, etc against counterspells. If the concern is her getting burned to death, you might get away with cards like Undying Evil or Without Weakness or Swiftfoot Boots. Command Beacon and Sylvan Safekeeper, as mentioned above, are very helpful and already included - but they both eat a lot of your lands, so you might want to add Ramunap Excavator (which might also suggest the addition of the Fetches).

Does that help a bit?

July 22, 2017 1:12 p.m.

Teufell says... #58

This is why you're my guru! Thanks, in Daedalus19876 we trust.

July 22, 2017 3:38 p.m.

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