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Nature's Will Discussion
2 weeks ago
Great looking deck, I built one using these commanders as well called double double with a double strike and multiple combat sub theme.
Some others are Throne of the God-Pharaoh , Aggravated Assault ,Nature's Will , Earthcraft you throw Aggravated Assault with Nature's Will and that'll give you infinite combats another one for Mana fixing is Druids' Repository
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
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any people with experience playing stax help me out! still trying to figure out a couple slots. also looking to acquire Nature's Revolt and Nature's Will. Questions and constructive comments are welcome.
1 month ago
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1x Birds of Paradise #Flyers #Ramp
Avoid Fate is a charming card but at the end of the day any other instant that gives Hexproof or Shroud is better because will also work against sorceries and abilities. My favorites: Sylvan Safekeeper, Blossoming Defense, Heroic Intervention and Vines of Vastwood. On the other hand Sheltering Word may be good in your deck with huge creatures.
Vorrac Battlehorns do you really want that bad to be blocked by only one creature? I consider an upgrade to it Loxodon Warhammer, O-Naginata, Horned Helm (instant attaching, yay!) or Chariot of Victory
Homeward Path is another staple, you dont want your guys controlled or reanimated.
Sprouting Phytohydra is another creature I like but you don't seem to be able to capitalize on it in your deck. You already have many big guys on the ground to block whatever they send you. I know it's a deck of hydras but this guy underperforms.
Don't flyers give you a hard time? In my meta I would be kill with flyers with this deck almost every time. With all your mana production Silklash Spider is an auto include, Whirlwind is more efficient but one use only, World Breaker is a decent body with reach with built in disruption and recursion, you may also want to include a single Wastes so you can ramp it if you happen to need the diamond mana, but you dont seem to run land ramp. Speaking about land ramp, do you know Traverse the Outlands?
Tutors are awesome but there is a thing such as too many tutors. The only really crucial creatures to tutor into the Battlefield from the Library are Vorinclex and the Ulvenwald Hydra. Hydras dont like to be cheated into the battlefield because most of them have X in their cost and when you cheat them to the battlefield they enter as 0/0 and die. Therefore, a tribal tutor such as Kindred Summons works poorly with this tribe. If you check a top mono green commander deck such as Daruid: Seton-Storm you will see he only runs like 8 tutors and that's a pure mana production deck, all his druids tap for at leas one green mana because of his commander..Id try to go for more card draw and recursion instead. Seasons Past is quite nice.
1 month ago
TylersaurusX, Sword's role is taken by Nature's Will, with the added benefit of tapping down someone's lands. Not to mention Sword tends to draw removal and Nature's Will flies under the radar, probably because nobody knows what it does.I don't actually need Glimpse. If there's one thing I don't have trouble doing with this deck, it's drawing cards.
1 month ago
Thank you for the primer you guys put out. I'm putting a deck together around Edric, and it's being super helpful. I am considering adding Nature's Will in my deck and was wondering what your thoughts are. To me it feels like a poor man's substitute to Gaea's Cradle (kinda)
1 month ago
A less virtual (but still only figurative) wall of text coming trough:
Marvell: You mentioned not getting much mileage out of Alliance of Arms a while back, maybe trade it out for a good old Hunted Dragon? Some more evasion (and haste!) seems nice to me and it's still in the spirit of the deck, if not as much as giving everyone 4+ weenies for the same amount of mana (it's too bad that in this case, Join Forces doesn't give people much incentive to spend their instant-speed lunch money...) Varchild's War-Riders is also an option, even if it's token gifting takes a while to pick up speed. (Alternatively, you can solve things in the fun and janky way by complementing Alliance with any of Invasion Plans, Bedlam, War Cadence, Battle Strain/Heat of Battle, Magistrate's Veto, No Quarter(with e.g. Gahiji), Tempting Licid, Brigid, Hero of Kinsbaile or even Assault Suit + e.g. Archetype of Courage or Champion of Lambholt(also mooches off any creatures entering during its stay) so the attacking weenies survive(while still tapped and unable to block) and/or cause damage and/or cause the deaths of their defending counterparts so that those can't block in the future. Already-present Curse of Predation works too, if only on one person.(Obviously, you still need a way to make people to attack each other.))
awalloftext: (Rivals response-response)
Huatli, Radiant Champion: yeah, in order to fit in the deck she'd probably need to be complemented by more evasion and/or one-to-many effects, e.g. Legion Loyalist or Dragon Throne of Tarkir (I would have taken the chance to mention Elemental Mastery yet again (or Pollenbright Wings for that matter), but with that emblem I'm afraid things will get out of hand [SpongeBob laugh]) (On a related note, I keep giving Praetor's Counsel longing glances before sighing at that 8 CMC...)
Continuing an apparent crusade against high CMC flying creatures: Is Hornet Queen worth it if you don't put too much value on maintain the get-as-many-creatures-as-possible theme? Yes, it's an important holder of evasion in the deck (and deathtouch + flying is pretty spicy, esp. when Rhys hits the floor) and it greatly benefits from various anthem effects (16 sum power with Gahiji alone is far from bad), but I feel that at 7 CMC it's not quite enough. Possible alternatives I'm contemplating myself would be the ones mentioned in the Evasion Package variant, other CMC-affordable trample-giving creatures, Akroma's Memorial (on one hand, pretty bomb immediately, on the other, as expensive as the Queen, redundant with Iroas and anti-synergetic with Mirri's defensive aspect due to vigilance (ironically) unless you complement with some artificial source of tapping) or maybe even Eldrazi Monument (I'm kinda afraid of not reliably producing enough disposable creatures for it). (Too bad you can't just murder Homura, Human Ascendant with a Skullclamp, eh) (I won't whine about Gisela though, since she manages to honor the spirit of the deck while still being one of its few bombs)
Maybe I'm being simplistic here, but I feel that all other things being equal, (beatdown) players tend to attack the opponent with the most life in order to avoid being outlasted in the long run. To take advantage of this, I'm thinking of replacing Rootbound Crag with Grove of the Burnwillows(bonus: slightly more reliable ramp!) and/or Lifecrafter's Bestiary with Sylvan Library(yes, I know it's already mentioned in the primer); this could work as another way of influencing attacks while still fulfilling the vital roles of ramping & card advantage. (If only Armistice was less bad...) Main concern would be that since the Library is such a high-profile card it could be counterproductive, in the sense that people might be more eager to ping you in order to hamper your progress. Furthermore, bringing your life down too much could cause people to smell blood and see an opportunity to kill you, and in the deck's current state it only has two ways to get life back (well, technically three, but you'd have to be pretty desperate to use Swords to Plowshares for that purpose), and I dunno if there's a non-awkward way to squeeze in more lifegain cards (Archangel of Thune? Angelic Skirmisher? Pride Sovereign(maybe in that hypothetical cat tribal variant)? Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle??). (At least there's the silver lining of Sunforger being able to fetch Benevolent Offering in a pinch, because what doesn't that hammer do?)
Finding myself increasingly intrigued by Regal Behemoth after reading Queen Marchesa: Politics, Aikido, and Control as it pointed out the attractiveness of being the monarch encourages conflict (and being attacked once in a while might not be all bad either, see below), but it would probably need to be complemented by a land untapper like Nature's Will since you'd otherwise would kinda have to hold your mana base back until post-combat whenever you want to get the monarch back in order to take advantage of the Behemoth's Mirari's Wake effect, and the 6 CMC is still prohibitive. (Also: of course monarch drawing happens at the end step, duh)
Finally, here's probably my most questionable musing yet: So for similar reasons to the aforementioned M. Queen deck I inspected this,
,which included the following paragraph:
Why omit Propaganda and Ghostly Prison? Simply put, these enchantments were awesome when they were "new technology," just like Rhystic Study. Everyone was on Level 0, refusing to attack for a cost when they could attack for free elsewhere. At level 0, these are insanely good. With numerous blogs, webcasts, articles, and Wizards support, Commander is developing enough of a hivemind that these cards are starting to generate the opposite effect: putting a cost on attacking makes some players feel like they're being tricked, so they make it a point to show you taxation without representation is not a valid defense. The mana cost is a tempo loss, but not enough of one. Opponents are now on Level 1, where the option of paying 2 makes them feel like they're investing in threat management (and they're right!) These are valid if you run a heavily meta-oriented deck where your opponents have lots of creatures. A combination of all 3 propaganda effects along with enchantments like Reverence and Lightmine Field are an effective barrier. Beware of the "Challenge Accepted" mentality."
Now, the quote can probably be disagreed with for more than one reason, but it kinda got me wondering if some of the cards in the deck aren't a bit counterproductive. The ones I'm thinking of are Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker (I know we've talked about it before), Serene Master and, rather heretically, Ghostly Prison.
First, on a very obvious level, all of these cards more or less work by dissuading people from attacking you by threatening to deny them resource denying your opponent some resource whenever they attack (i.e. a sacrificed permanent/judo'd fatty/handful of taxed mana). Now, maybe I've given the above quote and the previously mentioned thing about high life points inviting attacks too much thought & credit, but I wonder if this particular flavor of pillow fort/rattlesnake cards end up making you more of a target by virtue of heavy-handedly threating to outlast the competition and/or blow up their respective stuff in particular (in the sense that the effects of the cards can't readily be directed at someone else when relevant, more on the alternative later). This might make opponents might feel inclined to take you out anyway ASAP and/or cut the Gordian Knot by just using removal on the offending permanents.
Second, on an even-more-obvious-yet-somewhat-distinctive level, all of these cards more or less work by denying opponents resources when they attack you, which I feel is kinda wasteful because they could potentially use those resources on other people later (and if said resources is a grave concern then burning a removal spell might be safer )
Finally, without proper support they're all more or less purely defensive (I feel Michiko, having only 2 toughness and lacking evasion or even Mirri's decent First Strike damage, is prone to being focused on when attacking since that could be profitable for the defending player in the long term), which is also kinda bad since the deck is beatdown-minded.
(I'm (even more) unsure about Windborn Muse seeing as it provides a decent flying offense to complement its taxation. Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs is too cool for me to consider kicking out, especially since opponents can just chose to give you ogres.)
Where I'm going with this is that I'm wondering if there's cause for replacing one or more of the three above with cards which (1) don't automatically retaliate when you're attacked, (2) gives an offensive benefit when it does happen (which when combined with the first point also arguably gives you an information advantage over your opponent since they don't necessarily know what you'll do with it) and (3) have a bit better attacking capabilities of their own:
Broodhatch Nantuko: More flexible but less powerful Hornet Nest(which I btw don't have a problem with). Synergizes a bit with the mind games of Den Protector if you have the mana to spare. (Brimaz, King of Oreskos has already been mentioned and is less explosive but arguably more reliable)
Requiem Angel: After contemplating the deck's lack of haste sources (and to a lesser extent, evasion), this one intrigued me because it takes advantage of the rampant summoning sickness among a lot of the deck's (token) weenies by letting you block with them to their deaths on an attacking opponents turn and then replace them with a bunch of fliers that will be ready to go on your turn. The steep CMC is the obvious concern.
Darien, King of Kjeldor: Similar thoughts here to Requiem Angel with regards to bypassing the need for haste but also the CMC.
A bit of a compromise which I'm also intrigued by is Archangel of Tithes. The designers probably wanted people to give it vigilance somehow in order to have their tax cake and eat it too, but I'm liking the idea of being able to toggle between defense and offense for the purpose of manipulating attacks. The evasion-by-taxation effect is a bit of a mixed bag though; it could lead to the resource-threating problems I blathered about earlier, but it could also be highly effective by virtue of letting you force control players to chose between holding back their instant-speed mana or be punched in the face, while at the same time plain punching trough the defenses of less mana-rich people. Aside from these worries, the WWW in the cost could also require more mana fixing. ((Relatively) old-school & colorless Thunderstaff is a pea from a similar pod which I haven't counted out yet either, although another commenter already mentioned it back in the end of august.)
(A further compromise would just be to kick one of the three out in favor of Grenzo and relying more on goading to keep you relatively safe.)
So in summary I guess I'm proposing a variation which could be charitably be described as "bold" and less charitably "reckless", where you rely more on cards which provide a "softer" defense (including e.g. Gahiji and the Curses) and/or are more versatile with the hope that it would somewhat unintuitively lead to taking less damage, but CMC concerns definitely keeps me from standing by the whole package (the deck's current curve is pretty elegant)
2 months ago
Thanks a lot for all the suggestions. Glad to hear you like it, and sounds really fun to combine some of your older decks into a new one, for me it is one of the funnier things to do to see some of your cards from older decks in a new theme :)
As you descripe, i do like to go wide with abilities myself, so i would rather not focus on one single theme. +1/+1 counters are nice and can buff my creatures and with Herald of Secret Streams they become unblockable. I do like the untap theme of the deck so i might use more of that if possible.
Steely Resolve/Kira, Great Glass-Spinner: Might be a little longer before i include these, since they are a bit pricy for me at the moment. But might test them out with proxies since my playgroup allow them :)
Aquitect's Will/Spreading Seas/Quicksilver Fountain: Might be something i decide to include, i didn't include them at first until i played the first version of the deck a couple of times since i have played a casual U/W merfolk deck that played with this theme. But it might be good to make the opponents playing non blue get some island to make more merfolk unblockable :)
Sage of Fables/Azami, Lady of Scrolls: Considered them, and decided not to include them, i have a lot of draw power already so i would rather include more merfolks than adding more utility creatures. I will also probably build a heavy control EDH deck at some point and think i would rather use Azami there if possible, but she is very powerful and she may be included at some point. With Sage of Fables i have a lot of draw power already. Paying mana and +1/+1 counters to draw cards seems to expensive, since the counters can be utilized for more damage and unblockable. And for the extra counters then Hardened Scales is just better at doing that for all my creatures getting more counters, since only 13/35 of my merfolks are wizards, and some of the wizards may be cut.
Bear Umbra/Nature's Will: Very good cards and can use them in many of my decks, will definently be looking into getting a copy of them since their price point is just a tad lower than Steely Resolve and Kira, Great Glass-Spinner.
Winter Orb/Meekstone/Back to Basics: I do have a copy of both Winter Orb and Meekstone and i will consider these after some playtesting against my meta and having figured out what cards may underperform :)
Xenograft/Arcane Adaptation: I did consider them, but i decided that without their combo parts they just would do enough of their own. I try to run as few non-merfolks as possible so in that regard they dont really do that much, and when i dont run Sage of Fables or Azami, Lady of Scrolls it would not work that well.
Equilibrium: Dont really see how powerful it is, you need to have a lot of creatures to make that work, and even though the card draw is very strong i think i would run out of gas pretty quickly. But i may just have to see it in action first.
Dramatic Reversal/Turnabout+Sigil Tracer: Well as long as you have the mana rocks for the effect to trigger but with only 4 cards making it possible to get the mana on a nonland untap it seems to need one more card to go infinite like Cryptolith Rite or 2 mana rocks where one has to be the Simic Signet.
I do want to add more counterspells myself, mostly because i want to get better at playing blue and because my meta do use a lot of board wipes :)
Thank you so much for your feedback, i have a lot of cards to consider now, and to make the deck stronger :) If you want some feedback on your decks let me know :)
BTW, with so many suggestions for add cards, do you have any thought on what to might cut? I have considered: