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(Black), Sacrifice a creature: Target opponent reveals his or her hand. Choose a card from it. That player discards that card. Play this ability only any time you could play a sorcery.
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Mind Slash Discussion
3 days ago
If you're going to use only one copy spell I'd suggest using Fork over Reverberate. While they're very similar and neither is strictly better or worse than the other one common scenario Fork has over Reverberate is when copying counter spells and turning them red. This can be significant, because in past times when copying counterspells I've had cards like Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast, and Guttural Response used to counteract my Reverberate when copying a blue counter spell or draw spell. Most non-blue decks that can run those cards will likely run them more-so than not and Fork bypasses that issue easily when needed.
It seems your meta is thoroughly diverse. Hand and deck disruption can be a strong asset for taking down a combo deck, but I wouldn't consider Praetor's Grasp or Wheel of Fortune strong enough effects since combo decks can always run back-up combos to rely on. What really hits combo is repeatable effects and some of the strongest you could probably run would be Mind Slash and Bottomless Pit which a lot of combo players would find nasty. (Painful Quandary is a close third place and can stop storm decks pretty effectively as well.) Also if you're going up against non-graveyard strategies Mesmeric Orb is a ballistic nightmare in any singleton format it's put in which would be the only effective mill card I'd ever recommend when hurting combo.
Do note graveyard-based combos are a little more resilient to the card suggestions I've given above, but so long as you have something like Rest in Peace and/or Planar Void you can easily avoid this issue without giving them any fuel to burn.
Given your meta I would imagine Torpor Orb would lift a lot of weight for you especially against Purphoros, God of the Forge, Palinchron/Deadeye Navigator, and whatever ETB effects the Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck is probably abusing.
One aspect about blue I've never liked was it's use of counter spells. If you find Reverberate helpful I'd recommend also using cards like Seal of Cleansing, Sinister Concoction, Gate to Phyrexia, Aura Fracture, Aura of Silence, and Umezawa's Jitte. Not only do they serve as good rattlesnake cards that deter your opponents from just putting their bombs on the field, but I've noticed blue decks only hold up counter spell mana on turns they might need it on. If you drop one of these early when they're not ready their counter spells won't be able to stop the card effects, and I can verify from past experiences that the blue players I go up against when using the cards I just mentioned hate them fondly because they know I save them for their combos which makes their job of combo-ing out much more complicated. In fact one card I've found more success with than I'd ever give credit to is Molten Vortex, because the number of utility creatures and win-cons it hits without needing to use prime removal spells is pretty big and as I said before it's another one of those spells that if resolved the blue decks are going to have troubles playing around with. The Vortex can remove Mizzix of the Izmagnus, Laboratory Maniac, Norin the Wary, Hermit Druid, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, etc. and even when I don't have a land to pitch to it I've found it's presence alone is enough to deter plays entirely. Shattering Spree also plays well against blue, because not only can it hit multiple targets, but you can hit the same target twice or three times which would require more than one counter spell to stop a key combo piece being removed if needed.
As for multiple combat steps or a super massive army being swung your way you already can use Ghostly Prison, but if you need more options Norn's Annex can also work as well as Orim's Chant which not only stops combat but can also be used but can also stop storm or certain combos if you cast it at the right moment. It should also be noted that Rule of Law as well as the aforementioned Damping Sphere also does a marvelous job of stopping storm as well. Lastly if your opponents gaining life is an issue I think Rampaging Ferocidon makes a good option, because it can also punish your opponents if they try to build an army, so it fits two functions rather well, and I find the menace handy if you ever need to punch into a super-friends deck.
3 days ago
While a mill deck in commander is hard to create, as most of the usable/good mill cards target, it is a lot of fun to play. Discard is a little easier, but not by much. Also, the best colour combination for this type of deck is U/B and Atraxa has two extra colours that don't really help as well as her ability not synergising very well with mill or discard. Anyway, you asked and I shall try to deliver.
First the milling essentials: Glimpse the Unthinkable is the best mill spell bar none and is required. Secondly Increasing Confusion is quite good for commander, as mana totals will get quite large. Thirdly, Mind Funeral is great, as is Mind Grind. Fourthly, Mind Sculpt and Tome Scour mill for 7 and 5 respectfully, which is not too great, so only run them if you feel like that small amount of mill is extremely useful. Fifth, Hedron Crab is a great one drop due to the mill 3 per land you drop. Also, speaking of one drops, Jace's Phantasm is a good creature that soon becomes great with mill and discard. Sixth, Nemesis of Reason is stupidly good as it mills 10 per attack! It doesn't even need to cause damage! Startled Awake Flip is a nice mill spell and recurs too. Another great creature, and my recommended commander, is Szadek, Lord of Secrets. His milling will get massive really fast. All you need to do is get him in unblocked. Use Rogue's Passage or Whispersilk Cloak. Some good beaters are Consuming Aberration and Sewer Nemesis. If you don't care about price, then Jace, the Mind Sculptor is awesome, but if budget is a thing Jace Beleren is a nice cheap replacement. Now onto the milling combos! Traumatize and Fraying Sanity completely destroy an opponent, as does Keening Stone and Fraying Sanity. Archive Trap and Ghost Quarter are great together, as is Maralen of the Mornsong and Archive Trap. Also, Ghost Quarter helps get rid of land for Mind Funeral and Mind Grind. Lastly, Jace's Erasure and any card draw is quite nice. Thats about it for mill, now onto discard!
First off you need Waste Not. It is beautiful. The Rack works when you have made them discard down to 2 or less, which is one of your goals. Quest for the Nihil Stone and Shrieking Affliction are like The Rack - dealing small damage when opponents don't have hands. Liliana's Caress and Megrim do small amounts of damage per discarded card, which is nice. Bottomless Pit helps keep opponents hands empty, as does Necrogen Mists. Oppression is awesome, as is Painful Quandary, and both together is god-tier. Underworld Dreams is nice little 'screw you' after they loose their hands. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur murders everyone but you late game. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf is goddamn beautiful and breaks even more when you have Sadistic Hypnotist, Nezumi Bone-Reader and/or Mind Slash out. Another awesome combo is Mindcrank plus Bloodchief Ascension with three counters and any discard to an opponent means you kill them. With Dark Deal or similar you win. While these two things are great and all, you need some utility and a way to keep you alive when you suddenly become the target.
To stay alive, you need some pillowforts like Propaganda and Ghostly Prison. Cards like Frozen AEther and Kismet will help keep the opponent's board from becoming too overwhelming and Standstill will prevent spells for a small while. Psychic Spiral is another great spell that gets back all of your mill spells and it also mills an opponent for a little too. Talrand, Sky Summoner is fun with all the spells you are slinging, and he provides an alternate win condition. Another alternate win is through infection. Cards like Flesh-Eater Imp, Hand of the Praetors, Phyrexian Crusader, Phyrexian Juggernaut, Necropede, Putrefax, Plague Stinger and Corpse Cur all win you the game when they deal 10 damage to an opponent. Also, Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon is a good option but is quite expensive. Cards like Giant Growth make you win harder. Infect is where Atraxa shines due to the added poison counters to each opponent every time you finish your turn. Adding Contagion Engine might even make your opponents scoop.
Good God, that is a big slab of writing. Here is a deck list I made for you: Atraxa makes you loose your mind!. Tell me what you think!
5 days ago
I agree with most of your suggestions, but disagree on Liliana's Caress, Megrim, and Bloodchief Ascension. While the 2 life loss is minimal for each individual card discarded, you don't want to be relying solely on Nath for the discard. You want to be Dark Dealing (2 damage per card in hand), Mind Slashing (as much discard and damage as you have black mana), or Sadistic Hypnotisting (discard all opponents hands and hit them for 2 damage per card). While those are obviously the best discard outlets, even just constantly dinging people for a couple damage each turn can be very annoying. In addition, Bloodchief Ascension is frankly ridiculous, since it triggers not only off of discard, but also off of people killing things, cracking fetches, etc.
4 weeks ago
Ahh, I've gone up against different meta's that use combo-kill. Sadly black is not too good at using tax effects to stop combos naturally.
What I can recommend to better go against a combo-kill meta in general would be:
Mind Slash: Repeatable Hand-Disruption.
Torpor Orb: Stops abusable ETB effects.
Damping Sphere: Kills Storm or Repeatable-Cast combos.
Blood Artist: Counters death-loop combos.
Mesmeric Orb: Ruins combo decks that don't run recursion.
Null Rod: Stops artifact combos.
Hex Parasite: Repeatable kill target planeswalker.
Orb of Dreams: Denies loops that bounces or blinks lands, artifacts, or hasty creatures.
Orbs of Warding: Combos that target players or deals 1 damage per loop means nothing to you.
Every combo is different, so I gave a generic list. I'd only consider the cards listed that apply specifically to your meta, however; Mind Slash would probably do wonders for your deck.
1 month ago
Well, I would start off by saying there are two primary archetypes for sacrifice decks. Rally and Aristocrats. Rally lists focus on filling your graveyard with 2-3 cmc creatures, reviving them with Rally the Ancestors and the sacrificing them all -- likely with 2-3 Blood Artist effects in play to win. Aristocrats lists tend to focus less on 'combo' and more on 'synergy', and try to gain advantages through sacrifice effects. There has been some blending between the two archetypes recently, but I still feel they are distinct enough to be different.
There are then color combinations within each of the archetypes. Rally is often done in or . Aristocrats lists are often or . However with 3 color mana bases often comes a higher costs as fetch lands and shock lands are not always cheap. Two color mana bases are often fairly affordable, and you often can get away with no shocks or fecthes. With that being said, the first suggestion for a creature I would suggest is...
Bloodghast. However, he works best with fetch lands. In a pinch, you could use Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds, but they can feel pretty slow. But the ability to sacrfice Bloodghast, play a fetch land to return him to play, sacrifice him, sacrifice the fetch land to place another land into play to return Bloodghast to play so you can sacrifice him again -- that can add up to a lot of value.
Along similar lines, Gravecrawler can also generate a lot of advantage if you are playing enough zombies to have one in play with a fair level of consistency. Relentless Dead and Cryptbreaker can put in a lot of work with this guy.
While not all in black, Doomed Traveler, Tukatongue Thallid, Lingering Souls, Kitchen Finks, Bloodsoaked Champion, Mogg War Marshal, Sacred Cat, Voice of Resurgence, Tidehollow Sculler, Blisterpod, Bitterblossom, Orzhov Pontiff, Elenda, the Dusk Rose, and Keldon Marauders can all be sacrificed for good value.
As far as sacrifice engines go, Falkenrath Aristocrat, and Cartel Aristocrat are the namesakes. But Nantuko Husk, Bloodthrone Vampire, Greater Gargadon, Hidden Stockpile, Viscera Seer, Tymaret, the Murder King, Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim, Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Bontu the Glorified, Mind Slash and Teysa, Orzhov Scion are all good ways to keep sacrificing permanents. I also like Fleshbag Marauder, Sidisi's Faithful, and Sidisi, Undead Vizier, but they only sacrifice one thing upon etb.
Value is also important to consider as there are a number of cards that fit well within these lists, but do not necessarily read 'please sacrifice me', or 'sacrifice all the things.' But, they can certainly give you the gas to pull ahead. Blood Artist and Zulaport Cutthroat's advantages can be obvious in a deck like this. Additionally, Eternal Witness, Dark Confidant (or Asylum Visitor for budget), Phyrexian Arena, Smuggler's Copter, Collected Company, Return to the Ranks, Eldritch Evolution, Abzan Ascendancy, Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, Grave Pact, Lord of the Undead+Nameless Inversion (also works well with any other zombie) might all have places in different shells.
These are just a cards that might be interesting. I don't want to build your deck for you. But if any of those cards piqued your interest, I can certainly throw out some additional ideas that play well with the cards you liked.
2 months ago
If you need more suggestions, you're welcome to look at my deck.
Commander / EDH
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2 months ago
She is quite strong but that also comes with being a target. There are some ways to help deal with this: Swiftfoot Boots, Lightning Greaves, Archetype of Endurance, Mask of Avacyn, Journey to Eternity Flip, Victimize, Asceticism.
And since the deck does really focus on her make sure you have around 8 effects that can replicate her ability in some way. They don't need to be as powerful as her effect they just need to be similar.
Other precon commanders that are easier or are not such big targets:
Any of the eminence commanders from 2017 Edgar Markov, The Ur-Dragon, Inalla, Archmage Ritualist, Arahbo, Roar of the World. These commanders don't have to ever see play to be useful in my opinion the most powerful eminence effect is Edgar Markov followed closely by Inalla, Archmage Ritualist.
Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith is also of note because he immediately grabs, plays, and equips Hammer of Nazahn making him indestructible. He also isn't considered to be powerful by most people so you are less of a target. Comes in the 2017 commander cat deck.
Daretti, Scrap Savant is out of the 2014 precons and is a powerhouse. The precon itself comes with some of the better artifacts for him too like Wurmcoil Engine. This is something you could go back and forth on as to how easy it is to keep him around, in my meta walkers tend to stick pretty well for about 3 turns.
Oloro, Ageless Ascetic is out of 2013 and has eminence from before it was cool. People are constantly bitching about him whenever he comes up. I don't think he is actually that powerful I think it is more that he just keeps gaining value every turn from the beginning to the end. good card draw if you can keep him on board though so that is really nice.
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician another from 2013. The thing about this guy is that he will always cost 4 mana no matter how many times he dies so unless someone really needs him dead he doesn't tend to get targeted with removal since he will come back out instantly.
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher, Marath, Will of the Wild, and Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge range from great to good and are worth thinking about since every time they come back they are just a little bit better. Also from 2013.
Karador, Ghost Chieftain will cost 3 mana and is out of the original commander set. really hard to keep this guy out of the game.
Animar, Soul of Elements is protected from some of the better removal and also out of the original commander.
With all of that said some of these are rather difficult to get a hold of and I don't know off the top of my head how many of these were bad precons compared to the others. If you have some idea of what kind of things you like to do when you play that would help. Simply going off what you are already playing I would say either stick to her or go with Karador, Ghost Chieftain as he does a lot of the same things with another color and with his cost reduction he almost always just costs 3 mana. If you want something aggro/aristocrat Edgar Markov is the way to go and if you want combo/control Inalla, Archmage Ritualist is great.
3 months ago
So, my meta has an Azusa that wrecks my lands enough to never get me six mana for the Mikaeus so he was a dead draw the whole game. So, on that note, I removed Sadistic Hypnotist for Mind Slash. I found Mind Slash to be more cost-efficient, since it also lets me choose what I am discarding.