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Living Plane Discussion
2 days ago
Why are you playing Kozilek, Butcher of Truth? There's no denying that it's powerful, but it doesn't seem to fit the rest of the deck.
I'm not a huge fan of Living Plane, since it seems risky unless you have the other combo pieces.
2 weeks ago
I think I would not be interested in adding Natural Order. If I were interested in adding another poop card that I can't cast with teeg out, I'd be looking at Chord of Calling before Natural Order due to its ability to really just get whatever. Living Plane and Birthing Pod is already feeling clunky enough, let alone the occasional awkward Pattern of Rebirth draw here and there.
I really don't have time to be aiming for Mentor of the Meek. On turn 1, I need a dork or Sylvan Safekeeper / Mother of Runes, sometimes Land Tax. I just cast Gaddock Teeg indisputably on turn 2 to cut of Chord of Calling, Green Sun's Zenith, fast mana into a four-drop+ noncreature spell etc. To give you some idea. I once played against a Daretti, Scrap Savant deck. You're probably thinking, "Wow. He can't even cast his commander... LOL." I underestimated his hand when he went turn 1 mountain pass. I declined to throw teeg out there immediately, and I payed the price because he sandbagged the Mana Vault and slammed a turn 2 Daretti. Rip. I lost that game really hard. Anyway, from now on, I just cast teeg on turn 2 because it's necessary in my meta. On turn 3, I need to cast a hatebear. Beit Thalia, Mindcensor, or Linvala, doesn't matter. I just need to keep cutting my opponents' lines of play off as much as possible or else I can be sure that they'll squeeze their way out from under me. To toss a Mentor of the Meek out there on turn 3 is asking for trouble. If I'm not going to cast it on turn 3, then when? It's not getting any better. In the first 5 turns of the game, every single mana is precious. I'm not going to drag this out. I'm prepared to invest every last mana I have in this early-mid game on hate. I simply just can't play Mentor.
Now Earthcraft is a pretty good idea. I happen to have given one away to a good friend of mine as a birthday gift... gotta find another one. I wish Earthcraft was all fuzzy rainbows and christmas fun, but alas, I only have 12 basics and that number isn't rising. There's a solid chance, from my experience, that I play through the first few turns and not even see basic lands. That would be pretty shitty. This is one I'll have to think about for a little while.
Let's say I was using Grafted Wargear and I draw into it as well as Academy Rector. Sweet, so let's combo off. I equip it to my rector, then equip it to another creature. When it becomes unattached, I sacrifice rector and put pattern on the newly equipped creature. I transfer the wargear to another creature, and the patterned creature dies. Now the sac-fodder count = 1. I get boonweaver, which gets back the pattern. I move the wargear to him, which sacs whatever was equipped. Sac-fodder count = 2. Move the wargear off the boonweaver to another creature to sac the boonweaver. Pattern gets me a karmic guide, which gets back boonweaver. I move the wargear to boonweaver. Sac-fodder count = 3. Move the wargear to karmic guide. Pattern gets Reveillark. Move Wargear to reveillark saccing karmic guide. Move the wargear off of Reveillark to sac it. Gets back Karmic Guide and Boonweaver. Equip to boonweaver and now we're up to a sac fodder count of 4. Move the wargear to karmic guide. Pattern gets saffi. Move to saffi, hold priority on the sac trigger and sac saffi to karmic guide. Karmic GUide comes back in and reanimates Reveillark. Move to Reveillark saccing karmic guide, then move the wargear off Reveillark to a FIFTH sac fodder creature to get back karmic guide and saffi... this is getting crazy. To get to this point I need five random creatures to sacrifice. Seems not good enough. Not to mention this is all sorcery speed sacing. :/ Demonmail Hauberk isn't much better, and it's a 4-drop noncreature spell, so definitely no.
I've tried playing stoneforge mystic before. I was using jitte, sofi, soff, and skullclamp. The whole package as a whole just wasn't an effective gameplan. I found the strategy to be slow and didn't put a harness on the game-state like most other strategies did.
2 weeks ago
Okay, i overlooked that you don't have a win condition in creature form, such as Triskelion or Acidic Slime. It's easier for decks with access to black cards like Blood Artist. Nevertheless, it's possible under the right circumstances:
With Protean Hulk or Boonweaver Giant plus Mirror Entity serving as a sac outlet, you are able to assemble Reveillark, Karmic Guide and Saffi Eriksdotter. At this point, you have access to any creature in your deck. If Academy Rector is still available, you can now simply go for Living Plane plus Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite (just get rid of Living Plane again before you let the next Mirror Entity trigger resolve).
If the Rector is exiled however, you need one of the following cards to win: Strip Mine (combines with Sun Titan or Renegade Rallier to kill all the lands, Qasali Pridemage or Angel of Serenity deal with other mana scources), Beast Within (You need mana for this: Sylvan Safekeeper can sacrifice lands, then Titan/Rallier return them untapped to generate mana. Now use Eternal Witness plus Beast Within to blow up the world and clean up the tokens with Fiend Hunter), Horizon Canopy/Scattered Groves (generate mana with Sylvan Safekeeper like before. Canopy can be reused with Titan/Rallier to draw the deck, whereas Groves requires Eternal Witness. With your deck in hand and a nice amount of mana, you simply loop Reveillark until you run out of Mirror Entity activations, then cast Blasting Station and win that way).
On a different note, i noticed you are running Dosan the Falling Leaf, but not Grand Abolisher. Is that a conscious choice or was the Abolisher simply not on your radar?
3 weeks ago
I think you do need to add Living Plane (or any of the several other enchantments that do the same). The combos with Linvala, Keeper of Silence and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite are just too perfect, and it gives redundancy for Kamahl, Fist of Krosa.
Are you going to pick up the new Invocation Loyal Retainers? It's super pretty, I saw someone open one :)
I'm looking through the Amonkhet setlist to see if anything fits, and not much is coming to mind. Maybe Harvest Season to kickstart your ramp? With Avacyn's Pilgrim, Voyaging Satyr, etc it could easily ramp 3 lands on T3. Perhaps one of the monuments? Tutorable cost reduction is nice I guess. Scattered Groves is another dual-land for Knight of the Reliquary. If Oracle's Vault were legendary, it would be neat with Paradox Engine but unfortunately it's not :(
Now that Protean Hulk is unbanned you might find a slot. Can't be tutored, but when it dies you should be able to immediately win.
Hope this helps a bit!
4 weeks ago
Wood Elemental would also be very lulzy.
4 weeks ago
- Leyline of the Void/Ground Seal
- Null Rod/Stony Silence
- Cursed Totem
- Tainted AEther
- Defense Grid
- or better yet Nether Void
- Spreading Plague instead of Lethal Vapors (a weak card imo, I ran it for a long time). There's also The Abyss.
- Be a real ass and run Living Plane with Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite/Massacre Wurm.
- Cut Burning Earth, it's crap, use Ruination and change your land base into basics cause you're already running Back to Basics. Save a spot for Blinkmoth Well to tap your Winter Orb/Static Orb on the end step of the opponent before you so all your shit untaps.
- Mana Reflection and/or Mirari's Wake
- Chains of Mephistopheles and Necropotence to play around it.
- After you stall the game out, end it with Divine Intervention to make the entire game pointless. Vampire Hexmage or Hex Parasite would go well with that enchantment.
- Win the game with Decree of Annihilation + Barren Glory out of no where, this usually pisses everyone off. Especially if you could of done it 5 turns and 45 minutes ago.
I've got plenty more of ideas if ya want more, this kind of magic is my sort of thing :P Just don't forget to add draw into this deck. Phyrexian Arena, Rhystic Study and so on will keep you pissing people off with card advantage.
1 month ago
In a control heavy meta, you just run Elesh + Living Plane. Boom.
I'm not arguing that staples aren't dependent upon the meta/level of competitiveness, but the flaw with the OG post is that it simply asks for staples. I stand by the notion that the cards I listed are staples, though edhrec does a better job of not having a competitive bias.