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Living Plane Discussion
2 weeks ago
I only recently got my Living Plane. I'd say the land base for this deck is far more important to get right to begin with but that doesn't mean you 100% necessarily need the most expensive ones asap... there are alternatives as long as they enter untapped and are able to create 2 to 3 ( , , ) colors like the ones you mentioned. (Yes duals make your fetch life easier by a small amount but Breeding Pool instead of a Tropical Island does the trick too, you just have fewer targets for your Fetch land and can't thin out your deck as effectively.)
(There is also the poor man's cradle... A card that flips into it, I guess I have it somewhere in my Sideboard and it did have synergy because of the number of creatures we run. And then there is also Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx... But I mean you should get upgrades if you feel like you are missing out on them not if you don't understand why you should get it therefor Proxy one and test it? nothing wrong with that?)
I have some alternatives in my Binder/Sideboard to give you more ideas : 京 An illusion? (SideBoard) 京 (Some which aren't on the list as they reside in other decks but I mostly keep it up to date because I use it for different meta (It also has a little card explanation as on why what and when ;) )
- Tier list/ Collection
And I also have a collection of the most interesting Derevi decks on tapped out : 京 The Cedh Derevi tier list collection 京. As I Highly doubt all of these run an exact same land base. Hope you can find Alternatives or ideas there as well.
To tutor is to find answers that need to be dealt with in the near future, I typically tend to go for hate above engines, gas, and ramp... For example, a person on your table is playing a heavy tutor game with Momir Vig, Simic Visionary... A good tutor against a deck like this would be Aven Mindcensor and after that Linvala, Keeper of Silence as they play an army of dorks as well... Playing against a heavy artifact table or someone who got ahead and almost emptied their entire hand for artifact ramp who is ready for perhaps a game-winning big play turn 2 could be dealt with by using Kataki, War's Wage... Ofource the generic "everything costs 1 more to play" stops or slows down some decks as well... The way this deck plays out is very straightforward if you can see those details but how you win or present a lock is genuinely never the same but very effective when played correctly.
Knowing your opponent's commander therefor is key, it is not necessary to be aware of every jank adaption or card they use. It is necessary to know how a deck using a certain commander can win... (how do you even begin with a task like this? Play a lot, look at a lot of top-tier Cedh decks, Read their primers carefully, research combos and many more details...)
Yes at some point you can look for Things like Edric, Spymaster of Trest but they should never be your first choice as they don't really present a direct threat other than having people attack for card advantage. You should always try to go for lines that improve your disruptive play but you Shouldn't forget you're not playing to control or win because This deck is not as control as it seems in that it can rely on drawing gas, as that gas may or may not align with adequately disruptive lines of play!
2 weeks ago
Thanks for your detailed response! I will definitely try some of your suggested cards and see how it does. I liked the idea of using living plane as a deterrent--it seems just evil, but funny.
A couple of questions:
Budget Priorities: I have to do some swapping for the ABR Duals, Gaea's Cradle, and Living Plane. I was wondering how to prioritize acquiring these pricier cards. My thinking was 1. Gaea's Cradle (currently using Hinterland Harbor)> 2. Living Plane (currently using Nature's Revolt) > 3. ABR Duals ( I put in Bountiful Promenade, Sea of Clouds, Botanical Sanctum)
Tutoring choices: I found Edric, Spymaster of Trest to be an amazing choice (so much so I am considering Bident of Thassa), but what do you typically find yourself tutoring for when searching for creatures.
2 weeks ago
Hi @maraxus1070, Personally this deck fears the mana board wipes far more than the mana ones...
Wrath of God, Damnation and Supreme Verdict or others like this can be stopped by Gaddock Teeg / Sanctum Prelate (Although I rather use him on 1 - 2 - 3)... Or as intended they are delayed by any of our sphere effects and hopefully defused before the can save up for them...
Aggressive taps of lands during orb effects is also necessary instead of going for greedy plays and ramp for example and it prevents this. Occasionally yes people tend to get some RNG luck and are able to cast it earlier with sol ring, crypt or any ramp they were able to get out before you were able to react properly to any of it, and you can try to rebuild or just deal with it that you weren't fast enough or on top of the game with that certain starting hand which as we all know happens sometimes. (I don't side anything in for a board wipe heavy meta though but you could look to add Spell Pierce kind of counters and they even exist in creature form which is also good for aggressive tapping and threatening to counter Seth board wipe, for example; Cursecatcher, Patron Wizard, Judge's Familiar, Mana Tithe, Force Spike, Spiketail Hatchling, and many more at Low CMC that can be found if you search for "counter target spell unless its controller pays" )
Mistakes, like Holding back or playing into this, and keeping creatures back might lose you the game to others as well that are just biding their time, so that creates a dilemma too... Rather you will want to be ahead of that by slamming down sphere effects and keeping them down as fast as possible by straining every recourse possible be it artifacts or lands...
I do have one card that does some miracles and scares people of using wipes which is Living Plane... I tend to slam it down fairly early if I have nothing else to do as this creates a lot of problems regardless of Board wipes and lands even enter with summoning sickness so rebuilding after it becomes easier. It might also take their focus away from wiping as they might know what comes after a resolved living plane. (= Linvala or Elesh... )
Swords and Paths are mostly used when they see an opening and can combo after end-step removing something valuable that is preventing their win I presume. You could apply the same Spell pierce effects + sphere effects to battle this somewhat... but at one mana it is far harder. Although one would also be able to do it with winter orb + a sphere effect and root maze-like effects out while they are on no lands untapped mode! this is far harder to manage as you can't always have everyone locked out this much as early as turn 1 or 2. this also applies to the mana board wipes like Fire Covenant and Toxic Deluge which are far harder to combat...
The same thing can be said about people running loads of artifact and enchantment removal in my many different meta... Personally, I really don't side in anything against hate like this. What we do try though is prepare a board state that prevents this from even being an option. (Again yes RNG might screw you over a small number of times if so just go gg next game ;) )
(I Hope this helps. If you do find solid solutions yourself during playtest feel free to let me know, but this is all I can think of right now.)
1 month ago
Strong interest in the Living Plane; bit less in the Manipulation, but still quite a bit. Will DM you via chat.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Hey guys, so every now and thenwr hold competative 1v1 duel commander tournaments. I play my meren deck. I want to try out some unique combo with Natural Affinity but all i currently have is Massacre Wurm or Minister of Pain+recurring with meren for -2-2. Dont have Living Plane so im wkrking with affinity!
You guys have any other golgari colored combos i could work in? Its a slightly competative meta so nothing too slow!
P.B on Mighty Masses
1 month ago
You ever thought about making you friends hate you with a Living Plane?
2 months ago
Dosan the Falling Leaf could be a good addition so that when you combo off your opponents can’t cast the interaction they draw. Kamahl, Fist of Krosa is just another wincon with infinite mana, but also good if you haven’t gone infinite yet. He also blows up lands if elesh norn is in play. Speaking of which, Living Plane and elesh norn combined basically wins you the game.