Triton: I'll try and take a look soon. Prerelease took up most of my magic-allocated time this weekend, unfortunately.

gdm1989: I will also try and take a look at your deck soon! :) If I may ask, though, how does Agent of Fate interact with Hapatra?

Gamered: I wish I could include The Scorpion God in here, dammit! ;) Hour of Devastation was less kind than it could have been to this deck, because -1 counters mostly shifted into RB colors :/ I'm glad I've inspired you, though! The budget version of this deck is pretty untuned, so any suggestions are deeply appreciated.

All good, been working on the list for the time being, here's the updated one, in need for suggestions and a clever title haha:

BG Stax

Commander / EDH Triton

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nvm misread Agent of the Fates sorry XD

Shizo can give Hapatra fear so she can connect. I run it on my list

kev41: Not a bad idea! I'll try to get my hands on one :)

I'm curious as to why Blood Artist or Zulaport Cuthroat? Is that a meta call?

I love your list a lot. I feel like Uncage can do a lot of work. Great job!

What are your thoughts on Lethal sting and Torment of Venom?

New primer looks great. How is uncage the menagerie working for you.

Vraska the Unseen maybe have you tried experimenting with Tooth and Nail?

hurricane219: I used to play both Zulaport Cutthroat AND Blood Artist. But when Obelisk Spider was released, it fills the slot taken by one of them. Between the two, I prefer Blood Artist (since both work equally well with infinite combos, and he also hoses some death-trigger-focussed opposing decks). So Zulaport Cutthroat got the boot ;)

Lethal Sting and Torment of Venom both seem like passable cards, I just don't know where they fit. Torment of Venom will almost always be "4: Kill creature, and its controller loses 3 life", and while "snake + kill spell" is cute, I don't like not having removal options if I possess no creatures. Thoughts?

guard5: Thanks man! :) I actually haven't had the chance to cast it, but it seems solid in theory!

gdm1989: I like Vraska the Unseen as much as the next man, but I'm not sure she fits here. I think her +1 is...meh, and her -3 is a very expensive sorcery-speed removal. And I do not have any good ways to push through damage with her Assassins...and Tooth and Nail is REALLY expensive in terms of mana: my combo pieces are (mostly) cheap enough that I can just hardcast them after searching for them.

I find Lethal Sting and Torment of Venom to be great cards in that it furthers what we want to do and if used at the right time can force some hard choices. Plus it can refuel creatures that care about -1/-1 counters. I mean, in the end, its up to you.

I really enjoy your list. How are you finding P. Hulk?

At this point, in my list at least, I want protection and redundancy. Your list has it.

I take it Asceticism is too much too?

I am building my own hapatra deck, what are your thoughts on these cards?

Corrosive Mentor: The wither effect of the black creatures seems very nice, but sadly the snakes are green only. Considering it but what are your thoughts on this card?

Craterhoof Behemoth: Seems like a must in every token deck, you will have an army of tokens so dropping this would be really strong. But might not fit the theme of the deck, but feels wrong not running it. I run From Beyond in my deck as well so i have an extra token generator.

Archfiend of Ifnir: A card i am considering cutting. Its effect is amazing but there are not that many cycling cards that are useful in this deck, so its not often its effect will be used. The only cards you could use with cyclingWhat do you think?

Forgotten Ancient: Might be a good way to remove some -1/-1 counters from your creatures as a form of protection.

Seshiro the Anointed: Good snake lord, and will let you draw cards when a snake hits, isnt this really good in this deck?

Dusk Urchins: I'm not sure about this card, what are your thoughts?

Seasons Past How has this card performed?

Hope for some comments on these card. But what an awesome deck +1.

Odysseus_97 my own hapatra deck is more casual than this one but I've used most the cards you are asking about.

Corrosive Mentor has been generally very nice for me. Either my creatures get through or i get a few extra snakes, been especially nice for forcing hapatra through. A few times he has been the only black creature so he sucks then but most my creatures are black and gives those silly bugs from Nest of Scarabs more bite. Also great for when people want to attack you until they figure out you benefit more from it.

Archfiend of Ifnir would be great in a discard deck or perhaps The Scorpion God has a good use for him. Sadly to force some usefulness from him you need around 10 discard effects or more for consistency, it just ends up being a subtheme that takes a lot of space and doesn't do enough. better off with Black Sun's Zenith , Carnifex Demon, Contagion Engine, Harbinger of Night, and Midnight Banshee. That seems to be plenty of mass negative counters.

Forgotten Ancient I'm not playing anymore but is hilariously overpowered. He can keep your stuff alive or just pump hapatra and kill someone with commander damage. The multiple uses for the positive counters is really worth it. I'm just testing a more reanimate oriented idea right now.

Dusk Urchins is surprising. Since hapatra drops turn 2 you swing turn 3 and you can place a negative counter here because you want the draw in a few more turns and then turn 4 swing with him for another snake. It is hard to explain how nice he has been but just think about how nice it is to draw 2 or 3 for 3 mana then add in that he gets snakes and might do some damage.

Seshiro the Anointed I removed him because when I want my snakes to get pumped up is also when I want to win. He is useful to have out as long as possible so that you can have deadly 3/3s and consistent draw but that stops a combo I use. If you use the Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons + Blowfly Infestation combo then you need to watch how many pumps you include since they turn it off. If you are not using that then include it as long as the mana doesn't slow you down too much.

Odysseus_97

Craterhoof Behemoth Is a good card but I rarely pull him most games lol I've been using him before I tweaked the deck

Archfiend of Ifnir like Bhaal666 said it would be better in a discard/cycle variant

Dusk Urchins Can provide you with card adventage pretty fast It's worth running

Seshiro the Anointed while draw power and giving snakes power is good and all but it's situational and can slow the deck down if you can't generate snakes

Shisato, Whispering Hunter would be a better alternative to seshiro

I also suggest running

Kamahl, Fist of Krosa in a hapatra deck if you want to slow your opponents down when it comes to mana

Bitter Ordeal with the hapatra combo to exile a library

Woodfall Primus with Mickey if you want to be that guy lol

I'm still debating on running Westvale Abbey  ^Flip

I wish I can run Blightsteel Colossus

Feel free to see my variant as well if you're interested

whistle A lot of comments here!

hurricane219: Protean Hulk has been spectacular in this list, especially when I can Defense of the Heart for it and a sac outlet. I'd highly recommend it to any deck relying on creature-based combos ;)

gdm1989 (first comment): I've thought about including Asceticism before. However, I rarely have the 2 mana open to regenerate, and it doesn't protect token swarms very well. I wish I could find a slot, though...

Odysseus_97:

Bhaal666 and gdm1989: You make extremely good points; I'm glad you're here to help me answer questions on my deck haha. And if I could find a slot for Kamahl, Fist of Krosa I'd probably run him...

yeah I forgot I mentioned Asceticism like you said it's powerful but not effective as I thought it would be with my precious snake tokens :(

Tenacious Hunter on the other hand can be effectiveI've been debating on running Protean Hulk again but I rather run Mickey again and find Woodfall Primus and blow up all their lands. I'm not taking any chances of getting jumped in a 6 player game again now my friends know how dangerous Hapatra really is XD

Imo Daedalus19876 I'll swap out Midnight Banshee for Kamahl, Fist of Krosa to speed things up do a few games without the banshee and see how it goes

muhahaha I can't help myself when I see questions that I can answer.

Also I like the Kamahl idea... it would be nicer for me than beastmaster ascension.

Love your decks!! +1

Dude, how are you dealing with UR decks? I find it difficult to win, even though I have Prowling Serpopard in my deck. If the opponnent is not countering my Hapatra, he is destroying her every turn. Ivy Lane Denizen is not fast enough to make her strong enough to survive.

Teufell: I'm sorry to hear that :( A couple of answers:

1) I play in a slightly removal-light meta, and Hapatra's rarely the scariest thing on the board. So she slides a bit under the radar.

2) From the cards in the decklist, you could work at tutoring for Sylvan Safekeeper and Lightning Greaves more often. I don't have much anti-counter protection in the list, but a T2 Hapatra can usually slide under most counterspells. Command Beacon really is helpful for avoiding the commander tax - eventually you'll make them run out of counterspells.

3) There are also many cards you could add to avoid disruption. In addition to Prowling Serpopard, you could play Gaea's Herald, Choke, Tsunami, Carpet of Flowers, Autumn's Veil, City of Solitude, etc against counterspells. If the concern is her getting burned to death, you might get away with cards like Undying Evil or Without Weakness or Swiftfoot Boots. Command Beacon and Sylvan Safekeeper, as mentioned above, are very helpful and already included - but they both eat a lot of your lands, so you might want to add Ramunap Excavator (which might also suggest the addition of the Fetches).

Does that help a bit?

This is why you're my guru! Thanks, in Daedalus19876 we trust.

Been testing out Massacre Wurm so far the results have been delicious with the snakes equipped with Viridian Longbow and/or Ulvenwald Tracker >:D

Also Mimic Vat, Sword of Feast and Famine and this may be a long run Sheoldred, Whispering One would probably be worth experimenting with

Dude, you should try Yavimaya Hollow it's a great way to protect hapatra.

that's not a bad idea