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As long as Trinisphere is untapped, each spell that would cost less than three mana to play costs three mana to play. (Additional mana in the cost may be paid with any color of mana or colorless mana. For example, a spell that would cost to play costs to play instead.)
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2 days ago
I honestly tend to find Bottle Gnomes pretty relevant, as I often lose a lot of life, but I suppose I'm playing enough tutors now to where I can just grab Zulaport Cutthroat or something if that's really such a concern--I suppose I can cut him, though I will miss him.
I'm still kinda on edge about cutting Black Market --my meta is still fairly casual, but I have, in fact, won before with Exsanguinate thanks to all the mana from Black Market against a fairly competitive (but by no means optimized) Prossh, Skyraider of Kher deck (and some other peeps). I might find something else to cut for Pitiless Plunderer , but I'd rather not have to choose between both of them. (Also, something worth considering is that Black Market is harder to remove than Pitiless Plunderer , though they'd need exile effects or something in any case).
As for Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood , getting 10 mana isn't a problem for me, but I get what you're saying--it's not exactly the fastest combo available, and my deck probably doesn't slow the game down enough to make it competitively viable. All the same, there's just not that many better mono-black combos.
As for running more tutors and stax effects, well, for one, I actually still want this list to be playable in my meta (it's approaching a point where it's just too cancerous relatively to what the majority of everyone else is playing, believe it or not), so adding Trinisphere and Static Orb and the like would be very unsubtle and super cutthroat (though, yes, that's exactly what would make the deck more competitive, I understand that). Secondly, the list is getting pretty tight, yet again, so I'd probably have to cut some Shirei synergy for that sort of thing, which would probably be worth it, but would make me feel that much more soulless, honestly. Can never seem to strike that balance between not playing a whole bunch of staples and having a synergetic build...
Thirdly, while they'd absolutely be worth it, I'm not playing more tutors simply due to budget considerations. I know that might sound pretty laughable considering the deck costs $830 dollars, but it's the only list I have that I own in paper (well, most of it--waiting for more cards to arrive, as I keep cutting stuff), but I've been building it up over the course of 3-4 years. Budget is no object in cEDH, I know, but it is for me--the most expensive card in the deck is about $75. Spending $100 on a card isn't something I really want to do. I might find something to cut for Cruel Tutor , though (bad as it is).
As it stands, I think Liliana's Shade and Bottle Gnomes are out and Skittering Surveyor and Scroll Rack are in. A marginal improvement--still not good enough, though, you're right. If only I could run Land Tax + Scroll Rack ...
(Oh, and, on a completely unrelated note, this might already be a thing, but I was wondering if anyone had figured out a way to combo out with Timestream Navigator in a Prime Speaker Vannifar list. All you'd need is a 1-drop that recurs itself to either your hand or the battlefield, and, so long as you had enough mana and the city's blessing, you could take infinite turns. That might actually be a viable combo in cEDH).
2 days ago
NoOneOfConsequence shirei is one of the best recursion engines (so if you're beating a dead horse, at least we can expect it from a Shirei player). He provides significant advantage, provided you play an efficient & synergistic gameplan.
Liliana's Shade is 4 mana to tutor for a swamp every turn. Neat, but still it's 4 mana - unless you're going balls to the wall on 28-30 lands, I can't see how this is great for you, as it's an inefficient Skittering Surveyor . You have no other Swamp cards that I can see, therefore no reason to actually run the card in place of a more efficient version.
Black Market is great turn by turn, but pound for pound it's worse than Pitiless Plunderer , as with plunderer you make mana the same turn. Black market requires you to wait an entire turn-cycle before it does anything - and in those 3 turns you're not holding up mana to respond to all of your opponent's threats - basically gambling with the hope of a payoff on your turn.
Sanguine Bond & Exquisite Blood together are 10 mana to win. Flash-hulk is 2 mana. Exsanguinate & Torment of Hailfire are at least 15 each & they don't certify a win as you have no way to make unbounded mana.
Leyline of the Void is unavoidable in this build, as your win con is not coming out until late game, and any hulk deck will win first.
It's admirable that you've found so many creatures that synergise with shirei to hurt your opponents turn by turn. But here, a lot of these are redundant. In a stax deck you need many more ways to hurt your opponent decks. Including Trinisphere , Sphere of Resistance , Winter Orb , would all help your gameplan.
You could use Praetor's Grasp - as it's likely to find a card that will actually win you the game & it's a stax piece.
There are a lot of issues with your list - those t3 decks are usually decks that are unproven (imo). Your shirei deck still needs a lot of refinement for tier 3 to Deem Worthy .
I could go on about many of the other options in your Shirei build, but maybe you should re-read the comments section. I made sure to put a healthy set of options in there for you to consider several days ago.
I'd recommend doing some solid research into the cEDH meta and how cutthroat every design decision needs to be. I think there's a discord called playEDH, or look for some cEDH decks to test against. You'll find out very fast that your shirei build may be good in some metas, but in cEDH it is not enough.
2 days ago
For those of you curious. The current cards that are being removed for play testing other cards are the Sword of Feast and Famine + Aggravated Assault combo, Gift of Immortality , and Iroas, God of Victory
Iroas, God of Victory will be a guaranteed cut from the deck the next time I update the list, it's more of a question on what will get put in to replace it. Top candidates atm are Lion's Eye Diamond , Magus of the Moon , Aven Mindcensor , and Trinisphere .
gb on 12 Moon Frenzy
6 days ago
1 week ago
Hey Rats1la, I'm afraid I can not help you with precons and low tier commander builds... Derevi Stax is a deck that scales with the power level of your pod as is known for the STAX Build sadly. Meaning you would want to have an entirely different build than this to combat what you are facing.
(Also I don't ever play in pods larger than 4 as that is no longer the way commander is meant to be played! I do a lot of tournaments, fnm, and online pods so I generally am not familiar with large casual group play!)
So I can help you with cards that stop certain interactions I guess... But First and foremost check out the Derevi SideBoard I made, Perhaps you can find Cards of your liking that will interact with your playgroup!
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I myself also don't get political or emotional about people working together as that is not part of our gameplan... Ours is of a hard lock victory and no one is going to want to work with you ever and because of this, we run a tight curve that leaves no breathing room for fast CEDH decks. The longer this deck does not lose the more inevitability there is to present a hard lock victory by piecing together parts of the puzzle. (These interactions include board states where one can attack safely for example with a Winter Orb out and some sphere effects like Sphere of Resistance + Thalia, Guardian of Thraben + Trinisphere so they can't even cast spells that cost 0 mana while you aggressively keep tapping their lands... This is just one tiny example but this deck is packed with answers to the Highest end CEDH Decks and while the ability to lock down people is consistent the board state is and should never be the same!)
1 week ago
Stax without White, Black, or Red a difficulty when going a creature route that Vannifar implies. Maybe some cards like Sphere of Resistance, Damping Matrix, Trinisphere, Thorn of Amethyst and Null Rod can be run, but that just makes some opponents struggle, an opposing hulk or druid deck will outrace Vannifar with ease at that point, do to the inconsistency of finding these stax pieces without fetchable tutors like Trophy Mageing for Trinisphere... All worse than just fetching a Spellseeker for Summoner's Pact for Protean Hulk or seeking a Flash in many cases.
The commander isn't as good as it seems, it is a slower tutor than Sidisi, Undead Vizier in many cases, as there aren't any amazing lines.
1 week ago
leova: Yes, most of our stuff does hurt others mainly. You just have to understand that when we are using our lock out cards we aim to break parity with them. We do not want interference when playing the deck. For example... If I were to use the taxing cards like Sphere of Resistance, that would cause for my main lock with Lavinia, Azorius Renegade and Knowledge Pool to be useless, because the tax will allow the players to cast spells. Our commander reads counter spells players have not paid for. Which is why I am also taking out Damping Sphere for the new white enchantment coming in the new set "Smothering Tithe" and also might add Stasis. These both work well together and also "Smothering Tithe" also pairs well with my Winter Orb and Cataclysm. The object of the deck is to break from our own hate and function through it. Since we play Null Rod and Stony Silence it makes it risky to try to play around it because these are not cards we can just blow up if we want to move past them. This will just allow players to use their stuff (which is not what we want at all). Granted we are still playing two other cards that you can say are a nonbo in the deck:Aura of Silence and Trinisphere. These are cards that are pretty much staples in hate. With Aura of Silence we can get rid of it whenever we please as long there is a target of some sort. With Trinisphere it hoses quick decks enough to slow them down and we have plenty to get rid of it when we need to. Since it is also bad later on in the game. Unless we have Land Equilibrium out forcing players to either only have two lands or how ever many lands we own at the time.
Ah! A classic haha, I use to enjoy using that lock when I did not have access to , while it is a pretty solid combo, especially if we are fighting another player who is pretty heavy in creatures and not control spells. We would just rather save our Silence for Storm decks, Food chain decks, or when we are about to combo off.
2 weeks ago
Aphoticate Jeleva is probably the best pure storm deck, but I am not a fan in tier 1, it is relatively consistent, yes, but I doubt that alone is what is cared about. I just think after playtesting the deck a lot, it falls to a lot of stax really hard, moreso than other combo decks, almost any stax hits it, from Null Rod, Thorn of Amethyst, Sphere of Resistance, Stony Silence, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Arcane Laboratory, Vryn Wingmare, Lodestone Golem, Armageddon, Static Orb, Stasis, Winter Orb, Rule of Law, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Notion Thief, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Ethersworn Canonist, Glowrider, Chains of Mephistopheles, Rest in Peace, Grafdigger's Cage, Leyline of the Void, Chalice of the Void, Trinisphere, Oppression, Bottomless Pit, Liliana of the Veil, etc.
Tons of hate hurts storm waay more than other decks, as they try to abuse the game the most, the game's anti-abusers hurt it the most in response.